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Kindle 2 Tear-Down Reveals Price of Components

adeelarshad82 writes "Amazon's wildly popular Kindle 2 got a good old fashioned tear-down from the folks at market research firm iSuppli. According to the organization, the Kindle 2's manufacturing cost is almost half as much as its retail price."

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  1. And you are surprised? by arizwebfoot · · Score: 5, Insightful

    the Kindle 2's manufacturing cost is almost half as much as its retail price

    So . . . ?

    Is this supposed to be some new business model. I remember working at Monkey Wards and they would raise the prices 400% and then have a 1/2 off sale.

    It's the American way.

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    1. Re:And you are surprised? by ArcherB · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Well, in fairness, Amazon could sell the units at a loss and make up the difference on digital book sales much like the console manufacturers do.

      But, I agree with you. If these units are selling, why lower the cost?

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    2. Re:And you are surprised? by Captain+Splendid · · Score: 4, Insightful

      It's the Retail way.

      Fixed that for you.

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    3. Re:And you are surprised? by tixxit · · Score: 4, Insightful

      But, I agree with you. If these units are selling, why lower the cost?

      Valve had a 3000% increase in sales of Left 4 Dead by cutting the price in half. Why lower the cost if they are selling? So you can sell even more!

    4. Re:And you are surprised? by maxume · · Score: 5, Insightful

      If you are selling your entire production run of a physical good, cutting the price in half just means that you take in half the revenue.

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    5. Re:And you are surprised? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

      You do know that Kindle was sold-out for the longest time, since production couldn't keep up with demand?
      They have no need to increase the sales at this point.

      Also: there are very real dangers in lowering price for products; human mind tends to consider more expensive products as better, higher-quality things.
      Conversely, lowering price can dillute the brand.

      So there is very little point for Amazon to reduce the price significantly at this point.

    6. Re:And you are surprised? by Shadow+of+Eternity · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Wait, you mean people try to sell physical products for more than it costs to make them so they can profit off of the sale?

      What a novel concept!

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    7. Re:And you are surprised? by tixxit · · Score: 2, Insightful

      True. On the other hand, increased demand gives them more reason to up the production rate. The Kindle is also very expensive for what it DOES (not what it is). An e-reader really should be significantly cheaper then, say, a Netbook.

    8. Re:And you are surprised? by Ortega-Starfire · · Score: 3, Informative

      Let me fix that one more time for you.

      It's the Ferengi way.

      Which proves the fix above you is correct, not yours, as according to Rule 284 of the Rules of Acquisition:

      Deep down, everyone's a Ferengi.
       

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    9. Re:And you are surprised? by mysidia · · Score: 2, Insightful

      But it means you can increase the size of your production run and make even more, potentially.

      Esp. after your customers get a hold of the device and start buying other products from you to use on the device, and you have an exponential ram up in revenue.

      You know.. like give away the razor, sell the blades.

      It's short sighted to set the price of entry as high as possible, when it reduces the size of continuous recurring revenue, that occurs when customers buy stuff to use on their Kindle, which at a bare minimum, they will do a little, to justify to themselves the cost of the device.

      Over the years as they use the device, all those book sales are pure profit, and can far exceed the value of the device...

      And none of that revenue would exist if they didn't buy the device because they thought it was too expensive, and instead got an iPod mini in order to listen to audio books.

    10. Re:And you are surprised? by Zordak · · Score: 2, Funny

      The first was the Dreamcast, which catered

      Wow, I guess I'm just an old fogie. Back in my day, we had the SMS and then the Genesis, and neither of those were capable of serving food. They just played video games.

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  2. And the other half... by rodrigoandrade · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Is R&D, marketing, distribution, and profit.

    Big deal.

    Why is this news again??

    1. Re:And the other half... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Also remember that each Kindle has an unlimited cell modem plan built in. Those aren't cheap.

    2. Re:And the other half... by morgan_greywolf · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Agreed: all you people out there scoffing should go out and take a couple of post-secondary business finance classes. Typically, with any widget in the most generic business model, the cost of goods and services (COGS) is roughly 50% of the final price, +/- a few points. You figure 40%-45% for overhead, which consists of indirect costs such as R&D, distribution, administration, marketing, legal, etc., and the rest is profit.

      Producing a product isn't free. Who knew?

    3. Re:And the other half... by rm999 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Every time there is a Slashdot article about a tear down with estimate hardware costs, tons of people point out that x% is an appropriate cost, etc. No one is saying otherwise; we can safely assume that Amazon understands the supply/demand curves, has researched the market, and plans on recouping its costs plus some profit - in other words, has priced the Kindle as optimally as it can. But this doesn't mean the tear-down exercise was pointless.

      In my opinion, there is plenty of interesting information encoded in what the hardware costs. For one thing, it makes estimating marginal cost much easier, which is useful from a business perspective (if you can estimate manufacturing costs and sales, you can get a good idea of Amazon's revenue and costs - this is important if you are interested in investing in AMZN. Another interesting aspect is the relative cost of individual components. The high relative cost of the screen makes it clear that Amazon greatly values that aspect of the Kindle. We can expect to see further innovation in e-book screens, as competition will pay attention to this. Consumers should also be interested in information about Amazon's costs. If/when competition ramps up, I would expect prices to fall because of their healthy profit margin. And personally, as an electronics geek, I'm fascinated in how these types of devices are put together.

  3. How is this news? by stewbee · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Is it a surprise to any one that the manufacturing costs are not as much as retail? The article mentions cost to build, ie materials alone, is $185.49. I did not see mention of SW development, so to think that the rest is profit is just silly.

  4. No kidding. by JCSoRocks · · Score: 4, Funny

    This. Just. In. There's a markup on retail goods! Also, the sky is generally blue and you need oxygen to live.

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  5. compared to an Iphone by EZ+Erik · · Score: 2, Interesting
  6. Half seems like a lot by stokessd · · Score: 4, Insightful

    For a lot of retail electronics, 10% of retail price is about the price of the raw parts. One half of the retail prices seems like pretty thin margins.

    I was assuming that the kindle is much like a polaroid camera, or inkjet printer where the cost of the hardware is subsidized or sold at effectively no profit, and all the money is made in the consumables (the books).

    Sheldon

  7. Also, don't forget the wireless service... by brainproxy · · Score: 5, Informative

    It's not like Amazon somehow magically doesn't have any overhead, shipping or design costs for the Kindle. They also have inventory costs, returned item costs and all the other gunk associated with manufacturing and selling an item.

    Having merely a 50% of the cost (not including IP) for a still pioneering device like this seems totally reasonable.

    Lets not also forget that Amazon pays not only for the bandwidth to deliver all that content, but also pays for the Wireless data service for EVERY unit out there, perpetually.

  8. So... by Xerolooper · · Score: 3, Insightful

    they are selling it at a loss. A device like this is usually sold as a loss leader as they intend to make up the lost revenue in the sale of the consumables(in this case the ebooks).

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  9. Even pawn shops aren't so selfless by Aphoxema · · Score: 3, Insightful

    "... manufacturing cost is almost half as much as its retail price."

    Wow, they're actually selling it pretty cheap then.

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  10. Re:Shocker! by Linker3000 · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Back in the days of the C64 'me and the gang' looked at the cost of duplicating a commercial ROM cartridge copier plug-in board (for our own use - not to re-sell). I could do the the electronics, someone had the PCB making kit etc.. but when we added up all the raw costs, we were disappointed to find out it was cheaper to buy the item off the shelf!

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  11. Really.. by Shivetya · · Score: 2, Insightful

    when my friend worked for one of the major rental places they sold for over 300% cost and rented for far much more. In my industry we are easily double cost to our resellers whose prices are 150 to 250%. People always underestimate the true costs of running a business. For some reason too many think some things are just free. However it is the business behind the items that set much of the prices. All that time leading up to launch is accounted for as well as maintaining the business and aiming for other hopefully successful launches.

    Now in truly super volume sales, usually renewable, the costs are far tighter but its volume they are pushing.

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    1. Re:Really.. by ausekilis · · Score: 3, Interesting

      I used to work in a shop that sold music equipment. The cost to the business would be approximately 1/2 to 1/3 of MSRP, so even a 45% off "sale" would still net the shop some decent profit. Funny part was, there were slower moving items (like guitars/keyboards/drums) that had MSRP around 200% of cost, and faster moving items (like strings, sticks, cables) that had MSRP around 250-300% or higher.

      That's right, for a fast-moving item that cost us $1.50, MSRP would be $8, we'd advertise for $6. The best part? If I knew a customer and they were kind, they'd get them for more like $3. If the customer was a dick and asked for a discount, he'd get it for $5.50, oblivious that the dude in front of him paid half that.

      In the case of the Kindle, Amazon is (presumably) the manufacturer as well as the distributor, so the margins can be different. I couldn't tell you exactly what the cost to actually *make* a guitar might be with respect to the distributor's cost, though we can see they're still in business so they must have another markup somewhere.

  12. Apparently... by brian0918 · · Score: 4, Interesting
    Apparently, the folks at iSuppli subscribe to the socialist notion that the men of ideas are of no importance. Obviously, if you just take all the parts and throw them in a box, they'll magically form a Kindle.

    This reminds me of a story from a WSJ article from 1974, about the nationalization of plants in Chile, quote in Ayn Rand's Philosophy: Who Needs It:

    Among them was Dow Chemical Company, which owned a plastics plant in Chile. Bob G. Caldwell, Dow's director of operations for South America, came with a technical team to inspect the remains of their plant. "'What we found was unbelievable to us,' he recalls, 'The plant was still operable, but in another six months we wouldn't have had a plant at all. They never checked anything.' ....Worse yet, the highly inflammable chemicals handled at the plant were in imminent danger of blowing up. 'Safety went to pot,' Mr. Caldwell says. 'The fire-sprinkler system was disconnected and the valves taken away for some other use outside. Then they were smoking in the most dangerous areas. They told us, "You didn't have any fires while you were here before, so it must not be as dangerous as you said."'"

    1. Re:Apparently... by Xtifr · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I could be wrong, but I don't think the US has clapped all of its workers in physical chains and forced them to work for no wages for their decadent overlords, so the US isn't a capitalist country in the sense that ol' Joe Stalin was using the word.

  13. what else is new in the world? by jollyreaper · · Score: 2, Interesting

    This is usually the way of things. Wanna hazard a guess as to how much food costs at your favorite restaurant? I can guarantee your $12 entree didn't cost even half that much for them at the wholesaler. But the gross on that ain't anywhere near the net. If you want to talk about a contemptible outrage, you're talking about BS like components getting marked up 4x at the big box retailers. Yeah, you get the printer for cost and the $2 data cable for $20.

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  14. Who cares one crap about iSuppli? by g0at · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Seriously, why does this company keep getting its name into headlines? Who gives a shit what they feel a bunch of components might cost? Come on, shills. This is a do-nothing company that pisses its pants for publicity, and places like the Mac rumors sites and Slashdot lap it up and parrot their squawkings.

    It requires no more than a grade-school education to understand that the price to design, manufature, market, support and service a product is greater than the sum of the wholesale cost of its physical components.

    Enough.

    Take this stupid company with their silly name out back, shoot it, and don't mention it again.

    1. Re:Who cares one crap about iSuppli? by MarkLR · · Score: 3, Insightful

      It's somewhat useful in that you can say "suppose the screen was 1/2 the current price?" and get an estimate on what that could do to the retail price of the whole unit.

      It also tells people don't expect an $100 or even $200 unit any without a change in the pricing model.

  15. Re:well that's me gobsmacked by ScentCone · · Score: 2, Insightful

    excessive mark-up

    You should try designing, manufacturing, marketing, selling to individuals through a retail web presence, supporting, and perpetually providing the bandwidth for something sometime, and then rethink your term "excessive."

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