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Designing DNA Circuits To Brew Tastier Beer

Al writes "Researchers at Boston University have developed a way to predict the behavior of different DNA segments and make synthetic biology a little bit more reliable. James Collins and colleagues have built libraries of component parts and a mathematical modeling system to help them predict the behavior of parts of a gene network. Like any self-respected bunch of grad students, they decided to demonstrate the approach by making beer. They engineered gene promoters to control when flocculation occurs in brewers yeast, which allowed them to finely control the flavor of the resulting beer."

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  1. Dear God! by fuzzyfuzzyfungus · · Score: 4, Funny

    Somebody must stop them... Before they produce the beverage man was not meant to brew!

    1. Re:Dear God! by Gat0r30y · · Score: 4, Funny

      Before they produce the beverage man was not meant to brew!

      Key light?

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    2. Re:Dear God! by fuzzyfuzzyfungus · · Score: 5, Funny

      These are synthetic biologists, not Nephrologists...

  2. Purity by oldspewey · · Score: 3, Interesting

    A philosophical question: can beer brewed using genetically engineered yeast still be pure according to Reinheitsgebot?

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    1. Re:Purity by QRDeNameland · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Being that the Reinheitsgebot doesn't even mention yeast (as its existence and role in fermentation were unknown in 1516), I'd have to say "yes".

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    2. Re:Purity by Finallyjoined!!! · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Rheinheitsgebot is actually a load of old bollocks, and advertising old bollocks for all that.

      Anyone who thinks German brewers adhere to that these days needs their head testing.

      Go to Germany, look in the beer shops/bars, see Beer+orange or beer+cola to see just how far off the frigging Rheinheitsgebot modern German brewers actually are. It's utter tosh.

      Disclaimer: My bird is German, my nipper half German, and I drink Haake Beck when I'm there. She drinks Becks+Orange. Yuck.

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    3. Re:Purity by Skal+Tura · · Score: 2, Funny

      Germans might be regard as brew masters, but we Finns have the best beer in world, Koff by Sinebrychoff, ranked multiple years in row as the best beer from tap.

      True or not, i don't know, but i do prefer Koff over anything else i've tasted. Foster's is damn good as well.

    4. Re:Purity by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Foster's is damn good as well.

      You have to be god-fucking-damn kidding me. The only people that drink this crap is tourists and airline passangers. We don't touch this shit in Australia, that's for sure. Try some _REAL_ Australian beer, like Alpha Pale Ale, Wicked Elf Pilsner or Nail Stout.

    5. Re:Purity by CoopersPale · · Score: 2, Informative

      While we're talking about real Australian beer, try some Coopers, the last remaining brewer of the traditional Australian Sparkling Ale style. Some of the new micros have started to get interested in this style too - Bridge Road brewers brew an Australian Ale I believe - but Coopers have consistently brewed this ale for over 100 years.
      Another traditional Australian beer worth a shot is Tooheys Old.

    6. Re:Purity by Nidi62 · · Score: 4, Informative

      The Reinheitsgebot was actually amended to allow yeast as an ingredient once it was understood the central role yeast plays in brewing.(According to a Bavarian brewer on a History channel special on beer, as well as this website:http://oldemeckbrew.com/Beer/reinheitsgebot.php)

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    7. Re:Purity by DrgnDancer · · Score: 2, Informative

      The Belgians brew the best beer in the world. Maybe not the best individual beer (though Leffe Tripel is awesome), but as a whole Belgian beer is top notch. German, British, and Irish aren't bad, but Belgian beer is better as a whole. I can't say I've ever had Finnish beer, and I might have to look up the one you mention.

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    8. Re:Purity by dontmakemethink · · Score: 2, Insightful

      And yeasts have been cultured for a more predictable fermentation since it was discovered to be possible. Is the preservation of a certain yeast strain considered genetic manipulation? It would otherwise have drifted on and/or been replaced by a more aggressive yeast.

      In other news, most of the vines for wine grapes have been transplanted onto north american roots due to a blight that started in the 1850's. To this day there are very few areas where vines can be grown on their original roots, Chile being one of the largest, and certain valleys in Australia. Not many vines with roots that can resist the blight produce desired grapes for wine either.

      So botanical and microbial modifications are hardly new to the production of alcohol, it would be surprising if barley and hops weren't already genetically modified for yield, resilience, and/or flavor, just like many food crops are.

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    9. Re:Purity by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

      And yeasts have been cultured for a more predictable fermentation since it was discovered to be possible. Is the preservation of a certain yeast strain considered genetic manipulation?

      There is a bit of a difference between selective breeding to produce, say, tougher strains of plants which is a traditional form of genetic manipulation and the act of introducing, say, a gene from a bacteria into tomatoes that makes those tomatoes produce a natural pesticide. I am ready to compromise if we are talking about GM transplants of genes within a species, such as transplanting blight resistance genes from non wine producing blight resistant grapes to the wine making varieties since the blight resistant non wine producing grapes are probably still edible and have been consumed by humans for millennia. When it comes to the more outrageous genetic modification experiments Pro GM evangelists can argue for the rest of their natural lives that this pesticide is harmless to humans but I still ain't eating anything that has been treated in any way with a pesticide that I can't was off with water. The even more outrageous triumphs of GM technology like "Terminator gene" that prevents crops from being resown is quite simply an abomination.

  3. True application of science by mc1138 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    All other science to this point has solely been done as groundwork for better tasting beer.

    1. Re:True application of science by Red+Flayer · · Score: 4, Funny

      All other science to this point has solely been done as groundwork for better tasting beer.

      Yes, but only so far as better-tasting beer can help scientists get laid.

      THAT, my friend, is the true purpose of science.

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    2. Re:True application of science by Loadmaster · · Score: 5, Funny

      Just like when all nuclear physics came to a head when Young Albert Einstein, then a lanky youth on the island of Tazmania, split the atom finally putting bubbles in beer. So much work for such a great deed.

  4. Backwards by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    Damn fool BU geeks.
    You don't use genes to manipulate beer, you use beer to manipulate jeans.

    Kids these days....

  5. Which brings us full circle by Ungrounded+Lightning · · Score: 4, Insightful

    All other science to this point has solely been done as groundwork for better tasting beer.

    Which brings us full circle, since the development of agriculture (which led to the sedentary lifestyle, food surplus, and a leisure class with the time and resources to "do science") is believed (by some anthropologists) to have been primarily motivated by a desire to raise more grain for feeding to yeast in order to make beer (and, incidentally, bread).

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    1. Re:Which brings us full circle by pete-classic · · Score: 2, Funny

      I've long said that corn is the dominant life-form on the planet. But you've opened my eyes to the truth: it's been the yeast all along.

      -Peter

  6. What's the point of applied science? by mcrbids · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Applied Science AKA "Engineering" exists to make life better. Air conditioning, blogging, better tasting beer. If not to make life just that little bit better, than for what?

    Sure, there are starving people in XYZ country, but they are starving precisely because they are NOT using engineering to make their lives better! Sure, you could donate the cost of that better-tasting beer and feed the starving kid for a few days... but then what?

    Feel free to donate to 3rd world countries (I do) but when you do, don't just throw money/food at them, donate your money towards programs that will improve their infrastructure. Things like education. (I personally sponsor to help aschool for kids in rural Haiti)

    And don't hesitate to enjoy that good-tasting franken-beer!

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  7. Could be great news for those of us who homebrew by fragMasterFlash · · Score: 4, Informative

    This would be a neat trick if it allowed brewing with yeasts that produced an English flavor profile yet had the high flocculation rates associated with American ale yeasts (Wyeast 1232 is the best compromise currently produced commercially, IMHO).

  8. this is very exciting by Satanboy · · Score: 2, Interesting

    if they can adjust speed of fermentation and can actually change the flavor of beer, this could mean a whole new market of beer flavors we haven't had the change to try!

    Imagine a skunky stout, or a crisp and light porter. . .

    the changes could be immense!

    (or maybe I'm just being silly)

    1. Re:this is very exciting by DerekLyons · · Score: 2, Insightful

      You're being silly - the flavor profiles of stout and porter (and many other beers, particularly dark one, for that matter) are derived almost exclusively from the malts used. Yeast can't make porter crisp and light, and even if it could it would then be a pale ale rather than a porter.

    2. Re:this is very exciting by mikeb · · Score: 2, Informative

      Shome mishtake shurely?

      When I was at university we used to brew nearly all our own beer (a good friend of mine was an excellent amateur brewer). For a laugh we made a batch of bitter with Guinness yeast grown from a bottle of bottle-conditioned Guinness - you could still get it back in 1973.

      The bitter tasted STRONGLY like Guinness.

      Though I claim no expertise in the way that yeast flavours beer, that one experiment left a memory that has lasted to this day.

  9. They could make a fortune... by Greg_D · · Score: 4, Interesting

    ... selling this technology to the cigar or wine industries.

    Because of terroir, different regions are going to have different climates and different soil content to produce different tasting or different quality products.

    But imagine being able to grow a grape in Sonoma or some cigar tobacco in Honduras and have them taste just as if they had come from France or Cuba respectively by genetically engineering a strain. Sure, some would want and have the option to keep their wines and cigars just the way they currently are. But for those who desire a taste that is currently well outside of their price range or (in the case of Cuban cigars) illegal due to embargo, this would be a boon.

    There is, for example, a stark difference between Cuban tobacco from before and after 1996. Why? They changed from using corojo tobacco to a corojo/cigarette tobacco hybrid that would withstand mold. The flavor and richness are not the same anymore. But perhaps with some genetic tweaking, they can create a strain which is resistant to the mold AND shares the same flavor characteristics as the old corojo leaf.

    So even at the top of the ladder, there is room for improvement.

    Also, I'd like to volunteer my services to test their beer.

  10. How the liquor biz really works by Animats · · Score: 5, Interesting

    The hype: Skyy Vodka

    The reality: Skyy Vodka is a marketing company. Manufacturing is outsourced. They buy bulk ethanol from a MGP Ingredients (formerly Midwest Solvents Company) plant in Pekin, IL. MGP makes ethanol for beverage and industrial purposes. They used to sell ethanol for fuel, too, but that ended in February 2009 due to financial losses; their production costs were too high for fuel use.

    The ethanol is pumped into tank cars and shipped by rail to Frank-Lin Distillers Products in San Jose, CA., which has their own railroad sidings. Frank-Lin bottles, along with Skyy Vodka, most of the low-end booze on the West Coast. They make everything from brandy to whiskey, by mixing ethanol, water, and flavoring. They make over a thousand different "brands", although they only have about a hundred different recipes.

    Frank-Lin is very automated. They have automated bottling lines that can change from one bottle and product to another without human intervention, and equally flexible packaging systems. So they can create the illusion of thousands of products, all coming from one plant.

    It's all just flavored ethanol. Deal with it.

    1. Re:How the liquor biz really works by Zalbik · · Score: 4, Insightful

      And this has to do with beer production exactly how?

      Sure the big beer producers do something very similar...fast fermenting yeast to produce ethanol, add flavor and coloring to make it taste like bubbly yellow piss.

      However, there are many many microbreweries across the US and Canada that still brew beer basically the old fashioned way. It's just unfortunate that the typical North American still prefers the crap the big breweries produce.

    2. Re:How the liquor biz really works by cerberusss · · Score: 3, Funny

      It's all just flavored ethanol. Deal with it.

      Pop a bottle of real champagne and share it with the wife. This stuff isn't 'just flavored ethanol', I'm telling you, it's bottled love potion.

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  11. haze and tannins by bcrowell · · Score: 2, Interesting

    For more information than you'll probably ever want about beer brewing, see How to Brew, by John Palmer (free online, also available in print).

    Although the Palmer book is for homebrewers, apparently getting rid of haze is something that commercial breweries are extremely interested in, and they spend millions of dollars on research. As far as I can tell, it would mainly be an issue for American-style lagers (e.g., Budweiser), which are transparent enough that the haze would be noticeable. However, tannins and haze can also correlate with taste and shelf life (oxidation). As a homebrewer, I've never really worried about it much.

    I'm not clear on why they want to use genetic modification to control when flocculation happens. There are tons of varieties of yeast that you can buy, and one of the criteria you apply when you're selecting a strain of yeast is how alcohol-tolerant it is. A less alcohol-tolerant strain will respond earlier to the stress of the alcohol by flocculating out. Since there are already so many different strains with different flocculation properties, I don't really see what the genetic modification gains you.

  12. I instantly thought of by bensafrickingenius · · Score: 2, Interesting

    the "Library Grape," http://anathem.wikia.com/wiki/Library_grape from Neil Stephenson's Anathem. I happen to be re-reading it right now, and just got through the dissertation on the Library Grape yesterday. I love coincidences like these.

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