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Paid Online News Venture Fails To Get Subscribers

Ian Lamont writes "The idea of migrating people from free online news content to paid subscriptions has been dealt a blow. A venture meant to fill the void left by the print Rocky Mountain Times has attracted 3,000 subscribers — just 6% of its original goal of reaching 50,000 paid subscribers by Thursday. InDenverTimes.com is currently free, but the plan was to have gated premium content starting next month for a $5/month subscription. The project has entrepreneurial backing and articles from journalists who used to work for the print-focused Rocky Mountain News, which closed last month. However, a lack of paying subscribers and low online ad rates means that the venture might have to scale back its ambitions."

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  1. Not the Times by Laser_47 · · Score: 5, Informative

    It was the Rocky Mountain News that shut down...

  2. oblig. by Icegryphon · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I am just going to leave this here. Clicky

    1. Re:oblig. by David+Gerard · · Score: 2, Funny

      That's fantastic! And not hideously technically inaccurate, which amazed me.

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    2. Re:oblig. by igny · · Score: 5, Funny

      I had the mod points, but I was unable to spend them for that post was modded to the max. So I am posting a reply to help the fellow modders who are now wondering how to spend their points. Do not worry the fellow modders, if this post gets modded to the max I will reply again.

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    3. Re:oblig. by 5of0 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Best quote from the piece:
      "This is only the first step in newspapers by computer. Engineers now predict the day will come when we get all our newspapers and magazines by home computer, but that's a few years off. So for the moment at least, this fellow [showing an elderly newspaper street vendor] isn't worried about being out of a job."
      They were about 30 years off of their "a few years" estimate, but it is still eerie actually hearing such a prediction from nearly three decades ago voiced by a newsperson.

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    4. Re:oblig. by robot_love · · Score: 2, Funny

      I'll believe that when I see it!

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  3. It's always the same story by timster · · Score: 4, Insightful

    It's been almost a law of Internet content for a while. If you charge for content and lock it down, you can make some money here and there, but almost all the time you'll make more overall if you don't charge, attract way, way more readers, and sell ads. Of course, making "more" doesn't mean you'll be making "much", but so it goes.

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    1. Re:It's always the same story by pileated · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Except 'selling ads' doesn't work and it doesn't come close to the amount of money made from print ads. That, and the tremendous problems that the current recession has brought to newspapers, is why they're considering charging for access. This venture is a bit different in that it's trying to replace a failed print paper not augment one.

      Opinions go back and forth on this and most of them are not unbiased. Tell certain people that you have to charge for online news and they'll call you a Luddite who lives in the past, chases already failed dreams, etc. But I think most people who know anything about the industry and its economics know that online news is not a winning economic proposition, particularly if it is funded by ads. Those who believe that it is a winning model have to assume that things will change drastically after the recession. No one really knows but I suspect that they won't and this has been a foolish business strategy.

      Nor is news free. In fact there is talk now of getting most print based web sites to coordinate the change to subscription. Thus you go from 'all the news is free' to 'no news is free.' People who say the news is free are idiots. It takes a tremendous amount of work and money to cover the news in a substantive way. And this has nothing to do with ideology. It costs the same for both left and right leaning papers. So news may seem free but it isn't. There is a large cost and for it to continue someone has to pay for it. In any case print papers are finally realizing that they are losing readers, and perhaps advertisers, because there is this thought that news is free and that it doesn't make sense to pay for a print newspaper.

      They thought they might counter this with online sites and make up the lost money in online advertising. That didn't happen. So in this recession, with many papers filing for bankruptcy protection they have to consider all options, including pay sites. This would make little sense if people can get the news they want free elsewhere. But if all newspapers institute the same policy things might change. Newspapers know it is a huge gamble. But so is bankruptcy.

    2. Re:It's always the same story by David+Gerard · · Score: 3, Funny

      60% of consumers are willing to browse with an ad-blocker in return for free videos, music and other content, a survey has revealed. "This willingness to pretend to view adverts in exchange for free content is good news for sites wanting to lie to advertisers," said Tudor Aw at KPMG, "and is perhaps a pointer in the ongoing debate over whether lying to advertisers or lying to subscribers is the right revenue model."

      40% of respondents said they would pretend to accept popups, popunders, interstitials, Phorm, floating windows zipping and swooping about the screen, Flash videos that start playing sound automatically, eye-gouging animations and 2o7.net cookies in exchange for free music. 16% said they would pay to avoid ads. The rest would continue to get their telly from BitTorrent and browse with Mozilla Firefox with AdBlock.

      People were more willing to pay on mobile phones, unless they had a modern phone that could steal someone's WiFi connection.

      Google, the world's largest online advertising agency, said it was looking into tastefully-interspersed direct content advertising and brand placement, and added that you should PUNCH THE MONKEY TO WIN £20,000!!! "If you know what's good for you."

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    3. Re:It's always the same story by NotBorg · · Score: 5, Insightful

      They thought they might counter this with online sites and make up the lost money in online advertising.

      They might make more money from ads if they could get people to stop blocking them.

      Flashing high contrast colors, telling users they're infected, blasting users back 10 feet with unexpected audio, waiting excessively longer to view a page with ads, spyware... fuck I could go on for days. Many people don't even trust ads enough to even click on them when something looks interesting.

      Three most pushed buttons on your remote? ch-up, ch-down, mute. Making your ads 10 times louder didn't get them heard. It got them muted. When I need to make a collect call? I hit 0. I hate those ads so fucking much.

      Someone needs to man up and say... no I won't run your ad because it gets us blocked. Sorry you can't run that ad on EZFM 106... its what makes people use mp3 players exclusively in their cars. Sorry we think this ad sucks so bad that it causes people to ch-up/down or mute. Sorry your ad suck so bad that even honest citizens are turning to torrents.

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    4. Re:It's always the same story by benjamindees · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I try to be tolerant of website ads. The closest I've come to using an ad blocker is to edit my hosts file to send particularly buggy ad providers to the bitbucket. But I finally broke down and reinstalled Flashblock a few weeks ago. You're right that sites need to start filtering ads for quality. It's just too annoying when a flash ad starts blaring noise at me as soon as I open a webpage. And while I am actually quite pleased with how unobtrusive the ads are on ABC.com, I noticed that NBC.com uses the same annoying practice of making the sound volume on their ads 10x the volume of their shows. Fortunately the mute button on my laptop works just as well as the mute button on the remote.

      And don't get me started on Yahoo video ads. Every time I see that Scottrade cursor guy jerking around the screen making unintelligible noises and stupid faces I wonder whether Scottrade realizes they are paying to annoy potential customers with a video player that has all the capability of RealPlayer circa '99 without the useful BUFFERING notice.

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  4. Re:Because... by snowraver1 · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Hmm, Oxygen bar anyone? How about bottled water? Selling stuff that has been free in the past can pay off.

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  5. Roll-eyes by Weedhopper · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Surprise, surprise.

    You mean people won't pay for something they can just as easily get for free?

    Really, who didn't see this one coming?

    What value are they adding to the "news" when, between the TV news websites and Google News for all the other locals who are NOT participating in this doomed venture, people get what they want?

    The only way this could work is if EVERY relevant news outlet decided to do this simultaneously. It would only take ONE outlet not participating to ruin the model.

    These guys need to realize that they need to give up on a dead and dying model of how information is distributed. The old media moguls who still run the show don't get it. That they can't up with another solution speaks to their actual lack of vision and creativity. Hey, Murdoch, if you're so fucking smart, why can't you and your people come up with a product that people want to buy?

    1. Re:Roll-eyes by tool462 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Except that the bulk of that news being delivered through Google News comes from those media moguls with a failed business model. What I expect will happen is that journalism will be consolidated into a few large companies (say, Turner & News Corp), that will then either do as you say and charge for content, or can guarantee enough eyeballs through their new oligopoly that ad rates go up. Regardless, I can't help but think that the consolidation of news sources will ultimately be a bad thing for our society. It was bad enough when ClearChannel took over radio...

    2. Re:Roll-eyes by FatJuggles · · Score: 5, Insightful

      The Wall Street Journal is a newspaper that's been charging for online content since as long as I can remember their site. Crain's Chicago Business is another site that charges. I pay for that site since it covers Chicago business news much better than any TV station in Chicago does.

      See some sort of pattern? People will pay for the content if it is valuable enough. If it's Perez Hilton's blog, no one cares to pay for it. Many times, WSJ is the first one to break some sort of major news story. Crain's covers Chicago Business in depth and has access to local business leaders because of it.

      It doesn't matter that others in their peer group give crap away for free. If you put some effort in to making a good product, people will buy it.

    3. Re:Roll-eyes by grcumb · · Score: 5, Insightful

      See some sort of pattern? People will pay for the content if it is valuable enough.

      Well put, but I wish more people understood what 'valuable' really means.

      People everywhere get that supply and demand is fundamentally different on the Web, but they get the emphasis entirely wrong. I've written about it in more detail elsewhere, but here's a quick summary:

      You can't just arbitrarily limit supply and expect it to magically increase in value. The mechanics of digital media make that impossible. You have to have something that's inherently valuable in the first place.

      For most people, the generic fluff that fills up 90% of their local newspaper is not something they would have paid for, if they'd had the choice. On the Web, they have that choice, and they don't pay.

      I write for two newspapers, and also publish online. I'm sympathetic to the plight of the traditional dailies and weeklies. I just wish they'd get a clue.

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  6. It's the lockdown paradox.. by fictionpuss · · Score: 5, Insightful

    If you can't link directly to it - it's pointless; if you can direct link - why pay for it?

    Eventually the over-valuation of old media forms will rebalance to make web-ads more viable.. then "more" could be "much".. question though is when?

    1. Re:It's the lockdown paradox.. by AmiMoJo · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Things are only going to get worse for newspapers. First they were replaced by TV and the internet for raw reporting, as by the time they reported anything it was literally yesterday's news. Their response was to do more opinion pieces, interpreting and discussing news.

      Now even that has been replaced by the internet (blogs in particular) and 24 hour news channels. Classifieds all moved to Craigslist, readership went down and advertising went down with it. The only area they can hang on to is convenience, being able to read the paper on the way to work or away from the PC/TV. Mobile phones and devices like the Kindle look set to take over that too.

      Newspapers are dying. It's no-ones fault, it's just the march of technology. There is a lot of nostalgia but that alone does not make it a bad thing.

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  7. Perhaps they were too aggressive by plover · · Score: 3, Insightful

    50,000 subscribers in a month? That's really, really optimistic.

    It sounds to me like that's the goal they set in order to meet some certain existing financial mark (such as paying the current rent and 100% of the reporter's salaries, etc.) Not a safe bet on a real unknown like "who will subscribe to the online version?"

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  8. In Other News, Most People Won't Pay for Air by Shihar · · Score: 4, Insightful

    The idea that you are going to win charging money when there exists an Internet a few billion strong that is devoted to passing and spreading information for basically nothing is on its face silly. Short of government mandate creating a cartel, basic news is going to be impossible to charge for.

    The only people that can charge are folks who actually do investigative journalism and can bring something to the table that others can't. The Economist is a great of a publication that has actually managed to charge people. They manage to bring in heavy weight thinkers (Nobel laureates, high government officials, authors, etc.) that normally are harder to access. They serve their niche well and drag in a few extra bucks from the Intertubes for the effort.

    What you can't charge for is basic news and random journalist opinion. The opinion of a journalist (no offense) is not any deeper or brighter than any other bloke. You might as well ask a hair dresser or an engineer for their opinion. Basic news is also impossible to charge for. News spreads too fast and someone will put it up for free.

    If you serve a niche very very well in a way that absolutely no one else does credibly, you might be able to charge for access. Otherwise though, the only other alternative is to find a way to turn eyeballs on the page into cash. Usually, that means ads, but there are certainly other ways out there that no one has hit on yet. I mean hell, who would have thought 20 years ago that the print cartoonist who do the best are not actually in print, but on the web and make most of their money by selling merchandise?

  9. No PR by at.splat · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I live in Denver and always preferred the Rocky Mountain News to the Denver Post, the local paper that has so far survived. I'm a news junkie and get all my content almost exclusively online. I never heard of InDenverTimes.com until this morning.

    While the summary's conclusion may be correct — migration from print to web may very well be a futile endeavor — it's an entirely different story if people in the target demographic know nothing of the venture. Let's at least acknowledge this for what it is: in large part, a failure of publicity.

  10. Same here by SuperKendall · · Score: 2, Informative

    I also had not heard of it at all, and I live in Denver also...

    Although once in the web arena, I'm not sure how well a newspaper based web site can do against the news station web sites.

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  11. Re:duh indeed. by zonky · · Score: 2, Informative

    Free to Air TV is the perfect example of a monopoly business model where there is an artifical constraint (Limited Frequency Allocation) on the number of entrants to the market. Where digital TV, etc has increased the number of players, revenue/earnings has dropped signficantly.

  12. Re:Because... by sortius_nod · · Score: 2, Interesting

    While I agree in part with this sentiment, I think there is room for paid content on sites.

    Case in point, if you subscribe to New Scientist you get access to their full online articles. Not all are truncated, but there are some very juicy articles that are. There's also the Slashdot model that is in use on many other sites - articles are free, but are delayed and have ads for non-subscribers. Both methods seem to work, the first because you still get hard print, the second because people are always going to want to get the news first.

    Unfortunately, in this day and age, if you're not offering free NEWS, as opposed to editorial articles, people won't pay. If the papers aren't willing to change their business model they won't survive, which is pretty much what we see happening with a lot of media lately.

  13. But The Tyee brings in money by rueger · · Score: 4, Interesting

    British Columbia's Tyee.ca just ran a fundraising appeal to bring in dollars for additional election coverage. They asked for $5,000 and got $20,000.

    People will pay for good journalism, at least if they feel that the conventional outlets aren't doing the job.

  14. Re:duh indeed. by Coriolis · · Score: 4, Insightful

    There's a huge gap somewhere in newspapers' thinking. (And actually, one in every content producers' thinking). People want free content.

    There appears to be one in most content consumers' thinking, too. There is no such thing as free. Everything costs somebody, something.

    TV is the perfect example of a very successful business model where the prime channels are free of charge to the end user. Advertisers pay millions to advertise on TV. There is, absolutely, categorically, beyond any shadow of a doubt, no technological impediment to why this can't happen for online news, TV, movies, music, or whatever else.

    Other, you mean, than the ease of automatic filtering of online adverts? Online adverts cost a hell of lot less than TV adverts because they're too easy to avoid. This will only get worse. As technology advances and TV adverts become easier to filter out, TV advertisers will have options like increased product placement available to them (imagine little "buy now!" buttons hovering over laptops in CSI). These tricks will likely neither be possible nor desirable in text-based services like online news.

    The reason it doesn't happen is narrow-minded executives who do not think creatively enough, or try hard enough. Adapt or die. End of story.

    Indeed. I think the "adaption" that's been postulated elsewhere is quite possible: first, smaller news outfits die as advertising revenue on online services fails to replace lost revenue from newspapers; then, the few remaining big players get together and agree to simultaneously switch business models. Even if they don't do that, you're still left with a few large corporations controlling what news the public sees.

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  15. A thing is worth what it will bring by symbolset · · Score: 4, Insightful

    And if the cost of production is above that amount, it will fade away.

    When distribution of information required a million dollar printing press and an army of little boys to bring three day old text to the citizen who wanted to be informed, newspapers made sense. The value of a reporter who could weigh the issues and give a factual report only minimally slanted by his opinion and experience was proven. It was worth the effort to read between the lines of the reportage and the editing to find an understanding of what actually happened.

    In an age where any twit with an iPhone can stream live coverage to be archived to YouTube, where the twitterati can disseminate hot issues, where the blogosphere can issue forth its opinion of the events first, second and third hand, where Google can weigh the merits of those opinions and link not only to them but to video of what happened - all within minutes of the actual events ... not so much.

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  16. Try looking at successful paid content. by Ortega-Starfire · · Score: 3, Interesting

    The newspapers are doing it wrong. I pay an absurd amount of money for news services that actually report news.

    Stratfor is the cheapest one that I use, and I appreciate it for its global reporting and analysis of situations that happens to be (gasp!) unbiased! They literally just provide the facts and logical analysis. If they did local news I'd pay them more.

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