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NASA Moon Launch May Be Delayed After 2020

krou writes "The Guardian is reporting that NASA is quietly revising its internal estimates of a 2018 launch for its Ares V rocket. Although publicly the date given for the launch was 2020, the internal launch date was set for 2018. The shift in dates seems to be linked to 'growing budget woes,' and 'engineers say that means the public 2020 date to send humans back to the moon is in deepening trouble.' NASA administrator Mike Griffin blamed the White House, and the previous Bush administration, saying funding for Ares V and other projects fell from $4bn through 2015 to just $500m. 'This was to be allocated to early work on the Ares V heavy-lifter, and the Altair lunar lander. With only a half-billion dollars now available, this work cannot be done.'"

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  1. So America has given up? by MrMista_B · · Score: 5, Insightful

    So America has given up on the space race, huh?

    I guess it's up to China and India now.

  2. Can't we do ANYTHING anymore? by Mr.+Underbridge · · Score: 5, Insightful

    We went from having no rocket program of any kind in 1945, to deciding to put a man on the moon in 1960, to actually doing it in 1969. Now, we decide we want to go to go back, and can't make any progress at all.

    Our national labs are filled with nothing but bureaucracy and useless political management. There's no sense of urgency, there's no focused direction.

    Seriously, we can't do in 20 years today what we did in 10 half a century ago? Come on. This shit's just sad.

  3. Why so long? by slashqwerty · · Score: 5, Insightful

    From the time JFK announced his challenge to go to the moon it took us eight years to actually do it. Now we have all the technology from all of our space research for the past 40 years, we have five years sunk into the current plan to return, and they are saying they can't finish it in another nine years? This is the fruit of our lousy political and education systems!

    1. Re:Why so long? by plover · · Score: 5, Insightful

      This is the fruit of our lousy political and education systems!

      No. This is the fruit of our new Project Management philosophies.

      Last time they did this, they asked the engineers "hey, how do you want to build a big rocket?" The engineers answered "strap five of those smaller engines together, and we'll be good to go."

      Now it seems like they have to put together a project plan to create each and every nut, bolt and washer. Then they have to have a nut, bolt and washer design document inspection. Don't forget they have to invite the nut, bolt and washer quality control team to the nut, bolt and washer design document inspection. Then they have to create the nut, bolt and washer master test plan. And they have to have another document inspection of the nut, bolt and washer master test plan. ...

      I could go on and on about nuts, bolts and washers, but I'm bored typing all this project management crap already, and it's only been one paragraph. Repeat this process for three million parts, and 20 years seems like a bargain.

      --
      John
  4. Re:Due to economic realities.... by forkazoo · · Score: 5, Insightful

    As more people want things at home, mission to moon and the entire manned space programme shall be delayed indefinitely.

    Once the shuttles are retired, I have my doubts whether the entire manned program doesn't get canned.

    Makes for a sort of depressing answer to the Fermi Paradox. Why haven't the thousands of advanced species conquered the universe yet? Oh, they will. It's just not practical right now. Maybe during the next budget period they can establish a group to consider returning to space. It'll happen eventually. They've been meaning to do another manned orbital mission for the last few thousand years. They'll get to it as soon as some immediate priorities are sorted out.

  5. Re:Why does NASA suck so much? by Allicorn · · Score: 5, Insightful

    It's the public's imagination that's at fault if that really is the case. NASA continues to do spectacular, amazing things.

    The NASA current missions page:
    http://www.nasa.gov/missions/current/

    Does the Cassini-Huygens mission do nothing for you?
    That Hubble Telescope doodad not honking your horn?
    Spirit and Opportunity are things that make you go "meh"?

    If you (or rather some notional "member of the public") would rather be watching tonight's new episode of "The Apprentice" than reading about one of these missions, then where does the lack of vision lie?

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    OMG!!! Ponies!!!
  6. Re:Why does NASA suck so much? by tiger32kw · · Score: 5, Insightful

    We are still doing things. Quite a bit of things. The only difference is we don't really need human beings up there to do these tasks, thus you don't hear about the missions and discoveries. It's not big news unless a human is physically involved, generally.