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Blackwell Launches Print-On-Demand Trial In the UK

krou writes "In Dec. 2006, we discussed the Espresso Book Machine. Well, on April 27 the bookseller Blackwell will launch a three-month trial of the machine in its Charing Cross Road branch in London as a 'print on demand' service for shoppers in an effort 'to consign to history the idea that you can walk into a bookshop and not find the book you want.' When the trial begins, it will be able to print any of some 400,000 titles; Blackwell's overall goal is to extend this to a million titles by the summer, and to spread out more machines to the rest of its sixty stores once it works out pricing. Currently, they charge shelf price for in-print books, and 10 pence per page for those out of print (about $55 for a 300-page book), but are analyzing customer behavior to get a better pricing model. Says Blackwell chief executive Andrew Hutchings: 'This could change bookselling fundamentally. It's giving the chance for smaller locations, independent booksellers, to have the opportunity to truly compete with big stock-holding shops and Amazon ... I like to think of it as the revitalization of the local bookshop industry.' Their website notes that in addition to getting books printed in-store, in future you will be able to order titles via their site. (They also mention that one of the titles you can print is the 1915 Oxford Poetry Book, which includes one of Tolkien's first poems, 'Goblin's Feet.')" You'll also be able to bring in your own book to print — two PDF files, one for the book block and one for the cover.

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  1. Royalties by allaunjsilverfox2 · · Score: 5, Funny

    How long before publishers demand a ever increasing amount of fees for this service? They already have problems with the idea of digital distribution.

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    1. Re:Royalties by ResidntGeek · · Score: 4, Insightful

      ... because of the copying issue, yes? These books are printed. You can't distribute them digitally.

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    2. Re:Royalties by Awod · · Score: 2, Informative

      Sorry, formated so it doesn't suck.

      Greed.
      They'll still want their take.

      Granted not all authors are like that but you tend to lean that way after a while.

      Mr. Flint seems to have the right idea.

      "Baen Books is now making available -- for free -- a number of its titles in electronic format. We're calling it the Baen Free Library. Anyone who wishes can read these titles online -- no conditions, no strings attached. (Later we may ask for an extremely simple, name & email only, registration. ) Or, if you prefer, you can download the books in one of several formats. Again, with no conditions or strings attached. (URLs to sites which offer the readers for these format are also listed. ) Why are we doing this? Well, for two reasons. The first is what you might call a "matter of principle." This all started as a byproduct of an online "virtual brawl" I got into with a number of people, some of them professional SF authors, over the issue of online piracy of copyrighted works and what to do about it. There was a school of thought, which seemed to be picking up steam, that the way to handle the problem was with handcuffs and brass knucks. Enforcement! Regulation! New regulations! Tighter regulations! All out for the campaign against piracy! No quarter! Build more prisons! Harsher sentences! Alles in ordnung! I, ah, disagreed. Rather vociferously and belligerently, in fact. And I can be a vociferous and belligerent fellow. My own opinion, summarized briefly, is as follows:"

      ect ect

      http://www.baen.com/library/defaultTitles.htm

    3. Re:Royalties by Count+Fenring · · Score: 2, Informative

      Self publishing as an option is certainly a great thing. That doesn't mean that publishers are inherently evil, greedy bastards, or that the internet means we can dismantle the publishing apparatus post-haste.

      For one thing, the reason that publishers tend to take the biggest part of the pie as far as book sales go is because they need to recoup the expenses of production, which are almost all theirs; add the costs of promotion and advertising and distribution... well, you see what I'm getting at.

      Also, most editors come from the publishing side of the fence, and there's nothing quite so valuable to an author's work as a good editor.

      Even with print-on-demand and internet distribution, we can't entirely eliminate the publishers; their role just changes (or potentially narrows). Their promotional duties don't change; in fact, since we're throwing the physical browsing experience away, it becomes more vital. The manuscript still needs to be made ready for publication. Ideally, we want the same quality control we had in the previous system, if not better, so they still have to be edited and proofread.

      Basically, I'm just saying that altering the distribution chain doesn't automatically cut out all the other steps between manuscript and "book on my shelf."

  2. I for one will definitely use this by Samuel+Dravis · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I've always had trouble getting decent(ly priced) copies of old philosophy books and this would help me a great deal. I just wish they were testing this in the US...

  3. Similar thing for independents by Meneguzzi · · Score: 3, Informative

    At least as far as independent publishing of books goes, there is something sort of similar. I found that out when I was trying to find a place to print my thesis. This service called Lulu www.lulu.com which would print your PDF file as a book and also put it up for sale on Amazon (ISBN and all). Now, when I get the corrections from my examiners I do plan to put my thesis at Amazon (just to see how many people would pay to get a hard copy of my research), even if I make the PDF freely available on my website.

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    1. Re:Similar thing for independents by blackest_k · · Score: 3, Informative

      Lulu does a reasonable job, and it's pretty cheap too, unlike most vanity printing you can order as few or as many as you like. I've seen someones book full of old photo's and text while the photo quality wasn't perfect. It's nice to see you can get a minimum order of 1 at a competitive price.

  4. Cost by zxjio · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Is fifteen cents per page a normal on-demand charge? Books with nothing special about them will cost a few dollars to print conventionally. Blackwell's costs are higher I'm sure and they have the retail share as well. But still, $55 for a book that might otherwise retail for $10-15?

    1. Re:Cost by CastrTroy · · Score: 4, Interesting

      I wonder about the quality of the printing here too. If they print on demand, are they basically like spitting the book out of a laser printer? Are the books bound like a book you would buy off the shelf? What is the paper like. How long do you have to stand there while they print out your 300 pages? For out of print books, it might make a little sense, as there may be no other way to get the book, but for stuff you can still find on the shelf, I think this wouldn't be a good option.

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    2. Re:Cost by GKThursday · · Score: 5, Informative

      There are some sheetfed digital presses that can print out finished bookblocks at 150+ppm. The quality is pretty close to Offset Lithography for text, the only truly noticeable difference is the slightly raised text (toner sits on top of the page, ink goes into it.) The cost to the producer is probably about $0.009 per impression or less (not including paper, which I can't comment on.)
      I don't know what this company is using, but my company does some print on demand for clients, mainly manuals and training material.

    3. Re:Cost by MoonBuggy · · Score: 2, Funny

      I'm sure there will be a rush of Slashdotters going to Blackwell use this thing on Monday, so you'll probably be told soon enough. I quite like the idea of having a copy of I, Robot printed on demand by an automated machine, come to think of it.

    4. Re:Cost by Robert+Plamondon · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Lighting Source (http://www.lightningsource.com) charges 1.5 cents per page plus 90 cents for the cover. They're the biggest US print-on-demand printer. A 300-page book would thus cost $5.40 to print. Normal industry rule-of-thumb is for retail price to be 5x the printing cost (retailer and wholesaler markup, royalties, risk, profit, etc.), or $27. Don't know why Blackwell's price is 2x this.

    5. Re:Cost by 42forty-two42 · · Score: 2, Informative

      How long do you have to stand there while they print out your 300 pages?

      About three minutes

  5. $55? by hairykrishna · · Score: 3, Informative

    That's a crazy price. My uni's print shop will do it for less than that, hardback, and they have an actual human gluing it together. I know because I've done it with an out of print text book that the author was kind enough to provide me with a pdf of.

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  6. Re:Too Dear.. by flaming+error · · Score: 2, Funny

    > 10 pence per page for those out of print

    I'm not sure "out of print" is the right terminology here.

  7. How is the quality? by line-bundle · · Score: 4, Insightful

    In my experience the print-on-demand books are very low quality. It hurts me when I pay over US$100 for a book and get a print-on-demand (Springer.... I'm looking at you). If only they were upfront about it.

  8. 10 Years Behind by Roblimo · · Score: 5, Interesting

    We've had the technology for in-store print on demand for at least a decade. Darn near every bookstore should be able to print you a copy of darn near every book in its catalog in a few minutes. The fact that this is not already common (at $10 or less per 300 pages) is due to stupid business decisions all through the publishing chain, not to lack of technology.

    And at least 20 years ago a woman I knew who had a fairly large (and quite nice) butt wondered why we didn't have semi-automated make-to-order clothing stores in every mall, where someone like her would look at a style sample, say, "I'll take that style in fabric #402," and have them either measure her on the spot or used her measurements they already had on file, and make her exactly what she wanted, in a size that fit *her* body instead of an arbitrary measurement.

    This was all technically feasible, including the beeper you'd carry around the mall while you did your other shopping, that would alert you when your new slacks were ready at the "Pants That Fit" store.

    If nothing else, make or print to order gets rid of the remainder problem that plagues both book publishers and clothing manufacturers.

    1. Re:10 Years Behind by digitalunity · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Seamstress work is still very much a manual process. There's a reason most clothing is manufactured in Mexico, Thailand, etc. Labor is a huge cost in clothes and I don't see that going away any time soon.

      Books are entirely different, as the printing process requires little to no manual labor comparatively.

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    2. Re:10 Years Behind by Roblimo · · Score: 3, Insightful

      At the time we ran costs for semi-custom women's pants, we were looking at fully-automated pattern cutting and partially-automated (guided) sewing using CAD-type tools that became common in the sailmaking business more than 20 years ago.

      Yes, there's still skilled tailoring/finishing work needed, but in return for paying for that at U.S. labor rates, you never have overstock sales for sizes or patterns that didn't sell well that season. nor do you have shipping costs for finished goods, which need to be treated far more gently than bolts of cloth.

      The total cost of semi-custom finished pieces came out fairly close to the total cost of a pair of women's slacks made in the Mexican maquiladora zone near Nogales, once you figured in the cost of unsold merch, which is HUGE in the clothing biz -- especially in women's clothing with its constant style changes.

    3. Re:10 Years Behind by EdIII · · Score: 5, Funny

      At the time we ran costs for semi-custom women's pants, we were looking at fully-automated pattern cutting and partially-automated (guided) sewing using CAD-type tools that became common in the sailmaking business more than 20 years ago.

      Yeahhhh. I would not let the women know that the technology you are using to make their pants is the same technology used to make sails for boats. It might not be received well.

    4. Re:10 Years Behind by DerekLyons · · Score: 2, Interesting

      We've had the technology for in-store print on demand for at least a decade.

      Sure, but the problem is the machinery is very expensive (which means the books are expensive on a per copy basis), the quality of the print is mediocre, and the quality of the binding is at best mediocre. I.E. having the technology to produce a product is meaningless when the price and quality are so badly mismatched, and there isn't significant demand to start with.
       
       

      The fact that this is not already common (at $10 or less per 300 pages) is due to stupid business decisions all through the publishing chain, not to lack of technology.

      No, it's due the quality/price mismatch discussed above and the fact that print-on-demand is a solution in search of a problem. The vast majority of out of print books that are in demand are trivially locatable via ABE, Alibris, or Amazon. There's little to no demand by the consumer for print on demand, despite it being rolled out to great hype on a fairly regular basis over the last fifteen years. (Disclaimer: I owned a used and rare bookstore during this period, as well as working closely with new bookstores.)

    5. Re:10 Years Behind by downix · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Why not, as the denim used in blue jeans is the same material also used in sailcloth.

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  9. Re:Public domain.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Quality of the print job. Quality of the binding. Removal of the hassle of the do-it-yourself job. Setup costs. Cost of the paper (cheaper in the oh-my-god number of reams than in single reams). Cost of the toner. Cost of the glue.

    There's a few reasons for you, off the top of my head.

    Print on demand has come a very long way; I would dearly love to have the ability to walk into a bookstore and say, "I want the title X by author Y", and walk out five minutes later with it in hand. No more out of print titles, or "publisher out of stock" (same thing, different name.)

  10. From the TFA by denzacar · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Our first attempt to print a book was not entirely successful.
    The Times's choice - from a rather limited list, the full catalogue not being available until next week - was a 1919 volume called Heroes of Aviation, a book of stirring tales of such First World War flying aces as Albert Ball and someone called Georges Guynemer The Miraculous, which was unavailable for more than half a century until it was revived by an online publisher.

    Thor Sigvaldason, co-founder of On Demand Books, the people behind the machine, clicked a mouse and it started making whirry, photocopier-like noises.
    Laser-printed pages started flying out from the first half of the machine into the second, where the book is made.
    It was clamped, glued, stuck to the cover, cut to size and spewed out of a letterbox-sized slot in the side of the machine - where it promptly fell apart.

    "Things do happen," said Mr Sigvaldason, phlegmatically. "It is actually perfectly bound. It just doesn't have a cover."

    Another attempt and, after 13 minutes - rather slow, but then there was a pause to empty the wastepaper box - a perfect, warm and rather industrial-smelling copy of Heroes of Aviation was in my hands, mint-fresh and looking just like a real book.
    Which it was.

    From the description of the process above - my (educated) guess is that the only real problem might be with the binding of the covers.
    Mainly related to the number of pages. Below the certain number of pages there is probably not enough surface for glue to catch on that fast.
    Even if it is a very fast binding glue, and there is enough surface to bind to - if the machine is meant to operate akin to a photocopier (quick and dirty) things like loose covers are bound to happen.

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    1. Re:From the TFA by DerekLyons · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Well, that's the problem with perfect binding. It doesn't handle thin books too well, and it doesn't handle thick books to well either. It's only advantage is that it's fast and cheap.

  11. Re:Public domain.. by Opyros · · Score: 2, Informative

    Or simply viewing it online.

  12. Revitalization? More like blinders. by hwyhobo · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I like to think of it as the revitalization of the local bookshop industry

    Sorry, it's more like a desperate attempt to cling to the old sales model. You have to switch gears to accommodate the future - electronic books. That means no paper printing at all. Anyone who plans to build a long-lasting business by clinging to the past in the face of a technological revolution will have an uphill battle ahead of them.

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    1. Re:Revitalization? More like blinders. by Garwulf · · Score: 2, Informative

      "Sorry, it's more like a desperate attempt to cling to the old sales model. You have to switch gears to accommodate the future - electronic books. That means no paper printing at all. Anyone who plans to build a long-lasting business by clinging to the past in the face of a technological revolution will have an uphill battle ahead of them."

      I always love this argument...particularly since not only was I there and an active participant for the first e-book revolution, but I also make a point of keeping up with how e-books are doing (that is, in fact, tracked by the Association of American Publishers).

      Publishers tried to make the e-book work between 2000-2002, but there just wasn't a big enough market. And, almost ten years later, with a decade of development and the Kindle and the Sony reader out, do you know how much of the book market the e-book has taken over? Well, in January e-book sales represented 1.1% of total book sales for that month in the United States, and in February they rose to 1.5% (although, in that case, there was a decrease in book and e-book sales from January to February, and the e-book sales decreased less than the total book sales did). This is the first time I've ever seen e-book sales get to over 1% of the book market - and it took over ten years to get there. The total e-book sales for 2008 was $113 million out of total book market of $24.3 billion, or 0.5%.

      Source: http://www.publishers.org/

      Believe me, the printed book is not in any danger - and any publisher who abandons the printed book for e-books right now would be asking to go out of business.

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  13. Is a day too much for a good book? by RiotingPacifist · · Score: 2, Interesting

    While I'd consider this great for text books and manuals, is anybody ever that desperate to get a fiction book that may take weeks, that they can't wait a day? Almost every interdependent bookshop I know will take a day to get any book I can think of in a day (two if i turn up after their last phone call to HQ), at no extra charge (hell I've even messed up and ordered a book that it turned out I didn't buy and still didn't have to pay a thing), £23.40 is a bit much for foundation (RRP £6.99) and £41 for dune is defiantly excessive.

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  14. Re:Ten pence is way too much by shaitand · · Score: 2, Insightful

    $55 is too much for ANY book. Unless its for a rare collectors copy or some such.

  15. Goblin Feet by The+Yuckinator · · Score: 2, Informative

    http://www.ladyaleta.com/aleta/tolkien.htm

    Much faster than waiting for the book to print.

  16. DVD's too by AndyCanfield · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Wonderful! I can hardly wait until the DVD stores grab this idea! Here in Thailand, legal CD/DVD stores have a hundred titles, and pirate shops have thousands! You can never find what you want in the legal shops.

  17. BUT by SmallFurryCreature · · Score: 2, Insightful

    You also got the costs of storing all those bolts of cloth that need to either fed into the machine by a human being or have a HUGE system for all the various types and colors.

    Sorry, but paperback style books that use 2 types of paper and 1 type of glue are feasable. Cloths that use all kinds of different materials are not, unless you want to be the one to tell the average woman she is going to wear the exact same materials as everyone else. Just check, how many people even have the same buttons on their jeans?

    Anyway, it is far simpler, if you want a custom made piece, you go to a tailor. They still exist and they don't even cost that much (when you consider quality).

    The clothing industry is just to different, to many styles, to many variations. Consider this, count the number of clothing stores vs the number of bookstores (which helps explain election results).

    This printing on demand business won't be making chewable books, or pop-up books, or braille books, or picture books, or round books, or maps or hand-bound books. It spits out paperbacks.

    A machine that could make jeans, 2-3 choices of cloth, different cuts and different sizes is "easy". A machine that can do all fashion would consume much of a supermarket just for its cloth feeder.

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