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Papers Sealed In Class Action Against RIAA

NewYorkCountryLawyer writes "In Andersen v. Atlantic Recording, the Oregon class action brought by Tanya Anderson against the RIAA, MediaSentry, and others, the plaintiff's motion for class action certification has been sealed by the Court. Also, the Court conducted an 'in camera' conference with the defendants' attorneys — meaning the Judge met with the defendants' attorneys alone — in connection with a discovery motion, and the record of that conference has been sealed as well. The RIAA has made a motion to dismiss the class action; that has not been sealed. In case you're wondering what's going on here, so am I."

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  1. Link to Sealed Documents by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

    Ray Beckerman (NYCL) has graciously hosted a fully illustrated PDF of the plaintiff's brief for class action certification (the documents in question) on his site. Now, I'm not a lawyer but that's got a whole lot of lengthy legalese that no human could understand.

    1. Re:Link to Sealed Documents by Midnight+Thunder · · Score: 4, Funny

      Now, I'm not a lawyer but that's got a whole lot of lengthy legalese that no human could understand.

      So what are you trying to say about lawyers? ;)

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  2. Sealed = for sale by MrEricSir · · Score: 5, Funny

    The documents are sealed in a plastic box, but you can buy them for only $15.95 at your local record store.

    If you copy them, we'll sue you. And there's no refunds if you don't like the documents.

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    1. Re:Sealed = for sale by tnk1 · · Score: 5, Funny

      Obviously fake. If this was real, it would have been mentioned that you have *leased* the contents to that box.

      By terms of the license, you may enjoy the documents, but only for your personal and exclusive use.

      The RIAA would never actually let you use the word "own" withing 50 feet of the IP that they have worked so hard to wring out of musicians.

    2. Re:Sealed = for sale by grumpyman · · Score: 5, Funny

      Only the first guy needs to purchase it. The rest can get it from Pirate B... wait a minute...

  3. Explanation needed ... by foobsr · · Score: 4, Funny

    otherwise one probably has to assume that the proceedings touch 'national security'.

    CC.

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    1. Re:Explanation needed ... by Frosty+Piss · · Score: 4, Interesting

      one probably has to assume that the proceedings touch 'national security'.

      But this is exactly the point the RIAA has been driving at all the time. You've just now grasped their entire motivation!

      Now, can a judge seal anything he/she wants? Or does something have to meet certain conditions? What sort of allegations in the plaintiff's motion might possibly result in this? Did the RIAA ask for it to be sealed?

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    2. Re:Explanation needed ... by b4upoo · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Transparency inspires confidence. Secrecy inspires revolutions.

  4. Uh-oh! by Red+Flayer · · Score: 5, Funny
    Ray Beckerman:

    In case you're wondering what's going on here, so am I."

    Oh fuck. It was bad enough when we had rank-and-file nerds asking for legal advice on slashdot.

    Now we have a 'house lawyer', so to speak, and he's asking for legal information on slashdot.

    The apocalypse is upon us! Run for the hills!*

    IANAL. Even if I were a lawyer, I'd not be YOUR lawyer. This is not legal advice. By reading this footnote, you are agreeing to not hold Red Flayer liable for any damages sustained while running for the hills. For that matter, please walk, don't run -- and make sure to look both ways before crossing the street.

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    1. Re:Uh-oh! by NewYorkCountryLawyer · · Score: 5, Informative

      Ray Beckerman:

      In case you're wondering what's going on here, so am I."

      Oh fuck. It was bad enough when we had rank-and-file nerds asking for legal advice on slashdot.
      Now we have a 'house lawyer', so to speak, and he's asking for legal information on slashdot.
      The apocalypse is upon us! Run for the hills!*
      IANAL. Even if I were a lawyer, I'd not be YOUR lawyer. This is not legal advice. By reading this footnote, you are agreeing to not hold Red Flayer liable for any damages sustained while running for the hills. For that matter, please walk, don't run -- and make sure to look both ways before crossing the street.

      Good post, Red_Flayer. But I thought you guys could help me out and explain to me what's going on; I've only been working in the litigation field for 35 years, so I'm kind of new at this.

      In Soviet Russia....... oh wait, maybe we are in Soviet Russia.

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    2. Re:Uh-oh! by shutdown+-p+now · · Score: 4, Informative

      In Soviet Russia....... oh wait, maybe we are in Soviet Russia.

      That would explain things. Soviet revolutionary tribunals were explicitly defined as "following the interests of the revolution" and therefore "not bound by and forms of legal proceedings". Also, when determining guilt, they were also meant to look first not at any evidence at hand, but at the social class to which the accused belongs.

    3. Re:Uh-oh! by Red+Flayer · · Score: 5, Funny

      Good post, Red_Flayer. But I thought you guys could help me out and explain to me what's going on; I've only been working in the litigation field for 35 years, so I'm kind of new at this.

      Well, Ray, I wasn't really looking for any kind of response or anything, I was just making a joke.

      But since you insist on getting my advice... let me help you out.

      1. Google is your friend. It probably won't help you move, definitely won't help you move bodies, but if you use an anonymizing proxy, it may be a good place to research how to get rid of bodies.

      2. Never tell a judge his robe makes him look fat. Relatedly, never tell him that his gavel is compensating for something.
      3. The best response to "Order in the Court!" is "Ham and cheese on rye, yer Honor!"

      That's about all the free legal advice I can give at this time, if you're looking for more where that came from, my billable rate is $375.

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    4. Re:Uh-oh! by NewYorkCountryLawyer · · Score: 5, Funny

      That's about all the free legal advice I can give at this time, if you're looking for more where that came from, my billable rate is $375.

      No problem; just send the bills to CowboyNeal.

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    5. Re:Uh-oh! by mjwx · · Score: 4, Interesting

      1. Google is your friend. It probably won't help you move, definitely won't help you move bodies, but if you use an anonymizing proxy, it may be a good place to research how to get rid of bodies.

      You're always going have problems lifting a body in one piece. Apparently the best thing to do is cut up a corpse into six pieces and pile it all together. And when you got your six pieces, you got to get rid of them, because it's no good leaving it in the deep freeze for your mum to discover, now is it? Then I hear the best thing to do is feed them to pigs. You got to starve the pigs for a few days, then the sight of a chopped-up body will look like curry to a pisshead. You got to shave the heads of your victims, and pull the teeth out for the sake of the piggies' digestion. You could do this afterwards, of course, but you don't want to go sievin' through pig shit, now do you? They will go through bone like butter. You need at least sixteen pigs to finish the job in one sitting, so be wary of any man who keeps a pig farm. They will go through a body that weighs 200 pounds in about eight minutes. That means that a single pig can consume two pounds of uncooked flesh every minute. Hence the expression, "as greedy as a pig".

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  5. IANAL, etc. by fuzzyfuzzyfungus · · Score: 4, Interesting

    But are there any plausible and non-nefarious explanations for this turn of events? I mean, is meeting with the defendant's attorneys privately, sealing the record of what went on there, and then sealing the plaintiff's motion a relatively normal thing? Or is it as weird and skeezy as it sounds?

    1. Re:IANAL, etc. by Cpt_Kirks · · Score: 4, Insightful

      When dealing with any *AA, you really can't go wrong assuming the worst.

    2. Re:IANAL, etc. by eldavojohn · · Score: 4, Informative

      But are there any plausible and non-nefarious explanations for this turn of events? I mean, is meeting with the defendant's attorneys privately, sealing the record of what went on there, and then sealing the plaintiff's motion a relatively normal thing? Or is it as weird and skeezy as it sounds?

      Allow me to explain. It's like a child who has a new toy. The child must take the toy everywhere and show it to everyone and make the toy do everything it can to impress everyone. Similarly the RIAA has a new toy (the court) that they recently acquired ... and to show it off they have made it censor just about everything. Even briefs of motions for class action when you can find the full complaint in its entirety online.

      Why? Because they can. Remember, they lost to her last year so they've got some face to save in this class action. Or at the least just keep it out of the eye of the public--don't want those sheep getting all uppity.

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    3. Re:IANAL, etc. by NewYorkCountryLawyer · · Score: 4, Insightful

      But are there any plausible and non-nefarious explanations for this turn of events? I mean, is meeting with the defendant's attorneys privately, sealing the record of what went on there, and then sealing the plaintiff's motion a relatively normal thing? Or is it as weird and skeezy as it sounds?

      To me it sounds "weird and skeezy".

      But what do I know?

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    4. Re:IANAL, etc. by Zocalo · · Score: 4, Interesting
      What seems to be lacking here is more information on the circumstances that led to the in camera meeting, which is probably the crux of the matter. "Eldavojohn" presents a plausible sounding circumstance above where this might happen, so the questions I have are:
      1. Are there any other instances of one side (either one) being in camera with the judge alone?
      2. If so, how often does it happen? (Not very, if at all, judging by NYCL's reaction)
      3. Were the lawyers for Tanya Anderson present when this meeting was initiated?
      4. If so, presumably they either agreed to the meeting or objected and were overruled - which was it?

      If Tanya Anderson's lawyers agreed to the meeting, then one can only hope they know what they are doing, but if it's the latter then I can't imagine how that might play out bearing in mind the the RIAA et al are the *defendants* here. If it were the other way around, I'd go for "instant mis-trial", but does that still hold in any way should the RIAA escape censure in the case?

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    5. Re:IANAL, etc. by Will.Woodhull · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Is there any possibility that some of the RIAA lawyers have developed a concern that some of their client's activities are in violation of the law, and they need direction from the judge on how to proceed? I'm thinking in terms of their separate roles as defenders of their client, and officers of the court.

      Other than finding themselves stuck between a rock and a hard spot concerning client privilege and their own potential culpability as an accessory to a crime, I can't think of anything that would cause this kind of one-sided court seal in a civil case. Of course, IANAL, and I don't know nothing.

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  6. Re:Sealed? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    In IP cases, often times, one of the parties may wish to explain something to the judge which is a trade secret, and which they don't want disclosed to the other side. Normally, you'd get a confidentiality order from the judge to make the other side keep it secret, but sometimes, the party wants to explain the nature of things so the judge can issue a meaningful order. Sort of, in order to understand why we want to keep A confidential, you need to know B, which we *really* want to keep confidential, and is not the subject of this suit.

    An example might be where you are litigating on some IP identified by a code name, and in discovery, the other party turns up some other code names. You need to explain (in camera) to the judge why you don't need to produce the other stuff. The judge makes the call that it really isn't relevant, and you go on your merry way.

  7. Noerr Pennington doctrine ? by ApproachingLinux · · Score: 4, Insightful

    maybe there's a clue in that the defendants want the case dismissed based on the Noerr Pennington doctrine.

  8. Re:Sealed? by BlueKitties · · Score: 5, Informative

    The first google search result for "sealed court case duration". [url]http://www.leg.state.nv.us/CourtRules/SCR_RGSRCR.html[/url] - " (c) Sealing of entire court file prohibited. Under no circumstances shall the court seal an entire court file. An order entered under these rules must, at a minimum, require that the following information is available for public viewing on court indices: (i) the case number(s) or docket code(s) or number(s); (ii) the date that the action was commenced; (iii) the names of the parties, counsel of record, and the assigned judge; (iv) the notation âoecase sealedâ; (v) the case type and cause(s) of action, which may be obtained from the Civil Cover Sheet; (vi) the order to seal and written findings supporting the order; and (vii) the identity of the party or other person who filed the motion to seal. 6. Scope and duration of order. If the court enters an order sealing or redacting a court record, the court shall use the least restrictive means and duration."

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  9. Trade Secret by spun · · Score: 5, Funny

    RIAA Lawyer: Your Honor, we need to disclose our trade secrets to you, in private.
    Judge: Okay, step into my chambers. Now, what's this big secret of yours?
    RIAA Lawyer: (points)
    Judge: Well that looks like a briefcase full of hundreds, a kilo of Peruvian Marching Powder, and a coupon book for 'Escorts R Us.'
    RIAA Lawyer: Sssshhh! That's a trade secret!

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  10. Re:Sealed? by rahvin112 · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Having one party to a litigation in a meeting without the other to discuss any aspect of the case is a BIG BIG no no. This meeting having happened is grounds for a mistrial later and I doubt there is an appeals court that wouldn't immediately grant the mistrial simply because the meeting was held, even if they were discussing their favorite baseball teams. You can't have fair litigation if the judge is only listening to one side.

    As far as your analogy about explaining technical items to the judge, that occurs in COURT, if it's a secrete it happens in a closed court with a sealed transcript but again, BOTH sides are present and both have the opportunity to argue the details and value of the information presented along with the legal right to rebut any information given. What's happened here is the defense is whispering in the ear of the judge and the plaintiff has no idea what was said, how it till affect the case or even if they need to rebut any of it.

    The Judge should be removed from the bench or at the very least publicly reprimanded and removed from the case.

  11. Noerr-Pennington doctrine by vivaelamor · · Score: 5, Informative

    From the linked pdf on NYCL's blog, it appears that the reasons cited for dismissing the case amount to a twisted interpretation of the Noerr Pennington doctrine roughly translated to:

    1. IP addresses are fair game for probable cause because a previous case involving DirecTV successfully used the Noerr Pennington directive to challenge class action against people supposedly infringing on their signals by buying smart card readers.

    2. Media Sentry not holding state investigative licenses is irrelevant because the information they gathered was publicly available.

    3. That allegations of the impropriety of accessing publicly shared folders has no basis in law.

    4. That any objection to the numerous 'Doe suites filed is countered by the successfulness of such proceedings. Also that such proceedings are not against the law.

    5. That the case against Ms Andersen herself was not "objectively baseless" despite failure to link Ms Andersen to the accused infringing Kazaa user name due to flaws in the investigative process.

    - IANAL

    Still, pretty weak arguments imho. Certainly shouldn't be enough to dismiss the case.

    As to the whole sealed shenanigans.. I guess we have to wait and see.

  12. Re:Sing Along Boys and Girls by ffoiii · · Score: 5, Funny

    Are you by chance a Vogon?

  13. My guess is the Noerr-Pennington doctrine by tlambert · · Score: 5, Interesting

    IANAL, but I do read a heck of a lot.

    My guess is the Noerr-Pennington doctrine. I expect that Anderson tried to define "all recipients of demand letters" as a class, and RIAA argued that that can not constitute a class because it has immunity under Noerr-Pennington, per Sosa v. DIRECTV, Inc. 1684 (2006):

    http://www.ca9.uscourts.gov/datastore/opinions/2006/02/14/0455036.pdf

    Probably, the specific interpretation of BE&K Construction Co. v. NLRB, 536 U.S. 516, 525 (2002). The argument would be that if the lawsuit was able to impose RICO liability on RIAA for sending the demand letter, then it would burden RIAA's ability to settle legal claims short of filing a lawsuit. RICO specifically provides for private enforcement and treble damages.

    This is all predicated on the demand letters being specifically for no more than treble actual damages, so it may not apply if RIAA was asking for statutory damages (which they were). There is also some question as to whether the demand letters were objectively baseless and thus fall within the doctrine's sham exception. So I see at least two ways to fight a dismissal on direct.

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    1. Re:My guess is the Noerr-Pennington doctrine by Dhalka226 · · Score: 4, Interesting

      All of that is fine, and you're probably at least partially right, but none of it explains why the records need to be sealed. "This is not a proper class" isn't something that needs to be held secret, nor is it something that should be discussed with only one party of the lawsuit involved.

      You may be right that that's one of their defenses; it certainly sounds as though it should be. But it is, at best, a small part of what's going on. They're saying SOMETHING that a judge has apparently decided is so important to keep secret that not even opposing counsel can know about it. Whatever that is, it's not Noerr-Pennington. Not even a lawyer who has worked on these cases can hazard a guess as to what it might be. That's awfully irregular.

  14. Similar(?) History by DynaSoar · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I similar set of events occurred during the big tobacco lawsuits. Some testimony was sealed and later opened, some remains sealed. Some of the former was from the tobacco comany researcher Dr. Jeffery Wigand. His story is the basis for the movie "The Insider". NYT has an archive of articles from throughout the course of the suits at: http://topics.nytimes.com/top/reference/timestopics/people/w/jeffrey_wigand/index.html

    Some of the latter was from another tobacco company researcher named Pele, who worked out the biochemical mechanism of nicotine addiction. After his employer quashed news of the results, he leaked the details to a news magazine (either Time or Newsweek, I forget which), Subsequently all his testimony and work was sealed, he was fired and prevented from working in that field any more.

    After these and similar testimonies that were greatly damaging to the companies' claims, the lawsuits suddenly sped up and concluded with the companies paying out US$280Bn. It was speculated that had the testimony been public and the suits based on the claims therein (ie. they themselves had the proof of nicotine addiction, something they'd denied existed), the companies would have been fined a great deal more, or possibly forced to sell out.

    We can only hope that what's been sealed and discussed is so damaging to the RIAA that the judge is telling them to defend against it would require perjury, and he's giving them a chance to back off, settle before it gets a lot worse for them, and go lick their wounds.

    One thing you can be sure of, and happened in the tobacco suits, if the companies lose and are fined, the amount they pay out will be made up by price increases. All buyers will end up paying the fine. And once they've covered the cost of the fines, they'll leave the price where it was moved up to, and rake in even more.

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    1. Re:Similar(?) History by Locke2005 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      ...prices increases... and rake in even more.

      Are you unfamiliar with the concept of elasticity of demand? If they raise the price high enough, then it becomes feasible for me to start a private club wherein 20 people contribute to the purchase of a CD and we all get a backup copy. The RIAA litigation model can do nothing against this form of sharing, and if everyone did it, then net profits would go down, not up. Do you seriously expect that if the RIAA raised the minimum price of a CD to $100, that they would make MORE money? I believe they are already well past the optimum price point for their product, and that _lowering_ the price to under $10 would in fact improve their net income. How many songs has Apple sold at this (lower) price point?

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  15. Very odd by debrain · · Score: 4, Insightful

    There are two possibilities, that I can think of to posit:

    1. The Judge has serious concerns with the RIAA's behaviour, has advised them in chambers that such behaviour won't work with her (i.e. privately, so as to not embarrass them or make them defensive, or lock them into a particular position), and she has given them some lee-way to govern themselves accordingly;

    2. The Judge is not mindful of the RIAA's pattern of behaviour, and is having the wool pulled over her eyes.

    I'm doubtful of #2. It is typically the tendency of the bench to assign higher calibre Judges to class actions. As well, the risk of some form of judicial review or appeal on the basis of bias or impropriety given ex parte in camera discussions (not to mention the appearance of impropriety among the Judge's peers), strikes me as something the Judge would be mindful of.

    Only two types of experiences come to mind where Judges take counsel ex parte into chambers. One is getting statements without influence (i.e. getting statements of a child where potentially dominating or threatening people are otherwise present), which isn't the case here (is the RIAA showing up in Court to watch their lawyers?). The other is the Judge is talking at counsel.

    Knowing the grounds for the RIAA's motion to dismiss the action would lend assistance to any analysis. I'd imagine they're claiming that the proposed representative plaintiffs are unsuitable, there's a lack of jurisdiction, there is a preferable procedure for resolving the dispute, there's no cause of action, the class can't be identified, or the issues aren't common to all members of the proposed class. None of these give rise to the need for ex parte discussions.

    I'm sure plaintiff's counsel has their heart in their throat, but based on virtually no information whatsoever, I'm hopeful for a positive outcome.

  16. Terrorists, Star Chambers, and immunity by KwKSilver · · Score: 5, Insightful

    If RIAA discloses their super-secret methods, the terrorists win!

    In what way are the RIAA, MPAA not terrorists? All this stuff is supposedly about scaring people into giving them what they want: $$$$$$$$$$$$$

    Seriously, this Star Chamber stuff seems like a cause for great concern.(1) What's next the RIAA, MPAA, and BSA get to waterboard defendants? After all, it's supposedly not torture, and it seems like the natural progression of the corporate welfare state, that is a state dedicated solely to welfare of large corporations regardless of the effect on its citizens--at least on the "proles"

    (1) Ironically, the original Star Chamber was set up "to ensure the fair enforcement of laws against prominent people, those so powerful that ordinary courts could never convict them of their crimes." Star Chamber. We may expect that the new Star Chambers will be set up for the opposite purpose: to insure the immunity of the powerful and oppress the rest of us. To paraphrase John W. Campbell, power does not corrupt, if it did, God would be the ultimate in corruption; immunity corrupts, and absolute immunity corrupts absolutely. Politicians and corporations are already virtually immune to meaningful sanctions, woe unto us if they are allowed to become absolutely immune.

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    1. Re:Terrorists, Star Chambers, and immunity by Amazing+Quantum+Man · · Score: 4, Funny

      To what, exactly, is God not immune?

      A puff of logic?

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  17. Re:Sealed? by mysidia · · Score: 4, Informative

    It is within a Judge's power to assent to sealing some documents related to a case before them; this is completely within their discretion.

    There is no guarantee that all documents will be released when the case is over.

    A judge can decide to seal some items that were brought before the court permanently.

    Some documents may be highly personal; there might be privacy (or other) concerns in allowing certain materials to become public record.

    Some of the reasons courts seal certain documents, proceedings, or evidence from the public view lead to them having the right to take that action on a permanent basis.

  18. Re:mod grand parent down by Moryath · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Now that we've got the obligatory "is it real" crap out of the way, on to the important question:

    How much did the MafiAA pay the judge to seal the records? And why would the transcript of talks held between the judge and MafiAA be sealed, if not that they reveal something that ought to make the now MafiAA-paid judge step down?

  19. Re:mod grand parent down by Opportunist · · Score: 4, Insightful

    The far more interesting question is not "how" but "why". Why is the RIAA so concerned to keep a public trial from being public?

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  20. Re:IANAL, but ... by NewYorkCountryLawyer · · Score: 4, Informative

    We here on Slashdot may have no love for the RIAA. But in general, defendants shouldn't be forced into exposing sensitive information, like trade secrets or business strategies, as a means to blackmail them into settling.

    You mean like the RIAA does in every single one of their cases? Turning over all computer in the house probably with privilege information all over it as well as the only way these defendants have to contact and organize a defense.

    Excellent observation, LORAX.

    Actually the real reason the RIAA presses for secrecy of its own information in every case is that it seeks to increase the litigation costs for the defendants in other cases. The more information a defendant's lawyer can obtain online, from other cases, the less work he or she has to do in the case at hand.

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