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Senator Arlen Specter Becomes a Democrat

Akido37 was one of many readers letting us know that US Sen. Arlen Specter has changed parties to become a Democrat. This gives the Democrats 59 seats in the Senate, and 60 if and when Al Franken gets seated from Minnesota. However, Specter said in his announcement that he will not be an automatic 60th vote for breaking Republican filibusters. While the senator's move seems to have surprised many Republicans, it is understandable to moderate Republican Sen. Olympia Snowe of Maine, who said, "You haven't certainly heard warm encouraging words of how they [Republicans] view moderates. Either you are with us or against us." Specter noted that in his home state of Pennsylvania, 200,000 formerly Republican voters switched party allegiance last year.

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  1. And.... by brian0918 · · Score: 4, Informative

    ...nothing of value was lost or gained.

    1. Re:And.... by 0WaitState · · Score: 5, Informative

      Sorry dude, but I've lived significant portions of my life in Canada, Britain, and Italy, both as an adult and child: *it* *just* *works* *better*

      You feel sick, you go to a doctor without worrying about "prior condition" exclusions resulting in termination of insurance or non-coverage. You get hurt, you go to a hospital, without worrying about your care being delayed while they shunt you over to someplace else because you don't have the right kind of (or maybe any) insurance, or discovering that your insurance has gotchas such as only paying for 2nd+days in hospital (all the expensive stuff happens on the first day).

      Not happy with the universal health insurance? You can still go to a private practitioner and pay for it yourself. But, because you are negotiating up front, the costs are much lower than the US, and come without some kind of arcane billing system designed to confuse the end user. And the care providers don't want an insane billing system and are much more likely to give you a rollup all-in-one bill amount before you start.

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    2. Re:And.... by spun · · Score: 4, Informative

      Unfortunately for you, the facts are plain. Americans pay the most for our health care, per capita. Four times as much as any other country. And we have one of the worst health care outcomes, as measured by average life expectancy, child mortality rate, and so forth. Our outcomes are worse than some third world countries. So, for four times the cost of the next most expensive health care system, we get a third world health care system. You can speculate all you want, but your speculations are proven worthless by the real world.

      Right now, you have private insurance companies, dedicated to nothing more than profiting off of your suffering, deciding whether you get care. Do you honestly think that is better?

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    3. Re:And.... by mrsquid0 · · Score: 4, Informative

      I have lived for several years in both the US and in Candada, and my experience has been that Canada's health care system does work better than the US one. There are problems with it, but in general I found that both the quality of care and the administrative details that I had to deal with were both significantly better in Canada than in the US. Your milage may vary.

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    4. Re:And.... by Mordok-DestroyerOfWo · · Score: 5, Informative

      I was traveling in Europe to visit some family in Spain. While doing something stupid I broke my leg. They took me to a hospital, and as uninsured as I was the whole business cost about $70.00 (I can't remember the amount in Euro). If that had happened in the U.S. I would still be working off the debt in the acid mines and the life of my first born child would be forfeit. Call me a socialist if you want, I'll take the health care.

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    5. Re:And.... by xaxa · · Score: 4, Informative

      The Daily Mail is not a balanced source for debating health care in NHS (I'm not American, but I think citing Fox News for gun control laws would be similar?).

      In any case, in the third sentence, "this demonstrates how much dental care has deteriorated under Labour". They're criticising the way the current government is running the NHS, not universal health care.

      "He pointed the finger at the general difficulty in finding a Health Service dentist since the Government introduced a 'botched' contract in April 2006." -- again, blaming the government.

      "The crisis in NHS dentistry is one of this Government's most shameful legacies"

      In the second article "A spokesman for NHS East Riding of Yorkshire said Mr Boynton's case gave an 'inaccurate scare-mongering picture of dental service provision in East Yorkshire based solely on the claims of one man'", which sums up the Daily Mail nicely.

      Note that at no point in either article does the newspaper suggest switching to a private system. They want the government (well, the next government) to fix the current system, but none of the main parties in the UK want to end universal health care.

      Try searching for David Cameron (leader of the Conservative party, the major right-wing one) and his experience with the NHS wrt his terminally ill son.

    6. Re:And.... by thirty-seven · · Score: 4, Informative

      However, by any measure you care to name--longer lives, lower infant mortality, lower morbidity...--we have considerably better health care outcomes in Canada than Americans have, and we pay less for them.

      To further clarify, this is true even controlling for the fact that there are groups that tend to have worse health outcomes in the US and which are less numerous in Canada. So even comparing between just middle-class white people in Canada and the US, you get significant differences in those metrics.

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    7. Re:And.... by spun · · Score: 4, Informative

      No problem, since you asked so politely.

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    8. Re:And.... by VoidEngineer · · Score: 3, Informative

      Fascist? I think that word doesn't mean what you think it means.

  2. Can't win as a Republican... by bughunter · · Score: 5, Informative

    Gee - big surprise. This news comes just a weekend after news that his primary challenger, Pat Toomey, is showing a commanding lead in the polls.

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  3. Re:Maybe i'm just cynical... by halivar · · Score: 5, Informative

    Specter left the Democratic Party in '81 because he lacked seniority for cool appointments. The Republicans were (and have been) desperate enough for a Pennsylvania senate seat that he could write his own checks in the GOP. Now, he's looking at being part of a permanent minority, and the majority party is probably going to give him nicer committee chairs than he could get with the GOP.

    It's not a principled stand; it's politics.

  4. Re:Shift in dynamics by SatanicPuppy · · Score: 4, Informative

    Eh. Specter is an old school reagan-ish republican. He's pro-choice, pro-environment, and pro-immigration. He's crossed party lines repeatedly over the last few years: he was 1 of three senate republicans to vote for the big stimulus package.

    The stimulus vote pissed off the republican leadership, with Steele going so far as to threaten not to contribute to his campaign fund. He's had republican challengers in the primaries for the last 2(?) primaries.

    I think they did a good job of making him feel unwanted, and frankly, they can suck it up.

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  5. Mixed value. by Ralph+Spoilsport · · Score: 3, Informative
    Bad:

    1. his presence will serve as a brake on more progressive legislation.

    2. being a Democrat will prevent the Dems from offering up a more progressive candidate to oppose him had he stayed Republican.

    3. He'll likely vote as a "liberal" Republican, ie: with the interests of capital in economics, in the interests of no one in particular (i.e. who ever pays his bills) in social issues.

    Good:

    1. He'll likely vote with the Dems about 60% of the time.

    2. This will force the Republican party (now the property of ignorance and corruption) to be more considerate and thoughtful of their positions.

    3. This could lead to someone like Snowe defecting as well, which would really bury the Republican part, possibly for good, as it could split between the Bible Thumping retard faction and the neocon fascist faction, which would work to the benefit of the Democrats.

    RS

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  6. Re:Hahaha, good one. by realnrh · · Score: 5, Informative

    Actually, that was a right-wing projection. Democrats never wanted us to lose the war, they wanted the U.S. to stop pursuing the policies that were failing. Republicans, in their typically hyperaggressive way, screamed themselves red in the face that this was wanting America to lose. Put another way, Rush Limbaugh explicitly has said he wants President Obama to fail. Not his policies. Not his programs. His entire presidency. No Democrat of any significance actually made any statement calling for the war to be lost.

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  7. Re:Shift in dynamics by realnrh · · Score: 4, Informative

    The Republican front-runner is Pat Toomey, lately the president of the right-wing anti-tax extremist group, the Club for Growth. He's further right than Rick Santorum was. In trial polling thus far, Specter easily destroys Toomey among the general electorate; it's only with the Republican primary he had no chance. As far as the Democratic primary goes, he will have opposition (at least one minor declared candidate says he will not withdraw), but Governor Ed Rendell has said he will work to support Specter in the primary - as have other prominent Democrats including President Obama. This may well come down to his vote on the Employee Free Choice Act, though. If he votes for cloture, then the PA labor unions will probably let him vote as he likes on the actual bill. If he votes against cloture, though, the politically-powerful PA labor unions will be mobilized strongly against him, and he may have trouble getting through the primary then.

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  8. Re:Hahaha, good one. by realnrh · · Score: 5, Informative

    FAIL.

    The right-wing extremism report was initiated by George W. Bush's White House, as a counterpoint to the left-wing extremism report issued earlier this year. The right-wing extremism report further did not identify conservatives as extremists; it identified two major groups within right-wing extremists, those being hate extremist groups like the Ku Klux Klan and single-issue extremist groups like abortion-clinic bombers. Agreeing with any of the issues does not mean that they called you an extremist, only that extremists have been known to share that issue.

    Some squirrels are male and some squirrels are female. You are in all likelihood either male or female. This does not, however, mean that you are necessarily a squirrel. It's the same argument, except with 'squirrel' in place of 'extremist,' 'male' in place of 'hate groups,' and 'female' in place of 'single-issue groups.'

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  9. Re:Shift in dynamics by drew · · Score: 4, Informative

    I agree with your premise, but the banking deregulation that (at least partially) led to the current situation was done under Clinton.

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  10. Re:Reality based my ass by TheoMurpse · · Score: 4, Informative

    Furthermore they aren't protected by the Geneva Conventions

    Unfortunately for you, the Supreme Court and the stewards of the Geneva Conventions disagree with you there. At a minimum, Common Article 3 of the Geneva Conventions provide a baseline of protections the United States must afford to every detainee.