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Windows 7 RC Rush Crashes MSDN, TechNet Pages

CWmike writes "Microsoft Developers Network (MSDN) and TechNet paid subscribers were supposed to find the 32- and 64-bit editions of Windows 7 RC available for download today. But in a snafu reminiscent of the problems Microsoft had in January when it tried to launch Windows 7 Beta, the download pages for the release candidate were inaccessible, despite numerous attempts over an hour-long span up until about noon Eastern. TechNet and MSDN subscribers were not happy. 'Man, this stinks,' said a user identified as Lyle Pratt, on a TechNet message forum at 10 a.m. ET. 'I can't believe we can still bring MSDN to its knees!' said John Butler, a Microsoft partner. 'Surely, they should be able to deal with this? Not a good advert for Microsoft.' The Windows 7 RC is slated to be available for public download next Tuesday, May 5. Meanwhile, Microsoft said today that the RC would operate until June 2010, for 13 months of free use — a significantly longer time than it did with Vista's previews."

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  1. Torrent? by ArchieBunker · · Score: 5, Funny

    Torrent links anyone?

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    1. Re:Torrent? by Ilgaz · · Score: 5, Interesting

      I suspected the end user alpha release being "slashdotted" was a lame marketing game but if MSDN goes down, MS can't really maintain it, for real. For obvious reasons, they won't do the logical choice of running light httpd (Unix, God forbid) or similar on download server, they won't even bother calling Akamai.

      Nobody can blame them for not offering a torrent though. Thanks to MPAA/RIAA and various ISPs, P2P, especially torrent is an issue for large companies. If Apple used P2P to distribute very large OS updates (e.g. combo ones, XCode), we could blame MS for not using the option. Ask Apple why they don't use.

      BTW lets say you find a torrent from 3rd party, did the MS post its checksum (whatever system they use) to the download page or somewhere at site? I mean it doesn't look very right to "pirate" an operating system which has a huge industry abusing it. People torrenting it should either get MD5 from a trusted friend or MS. There are several "trojaned" Windows out there. It is the easiest way to have your own zombie army.

    2. Re:Torrent? by Anpheus · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Microsoft and Akamai have a friendly relationship, but because they want to control the distribution they release everything on their site. That's something you really, truly, cannot do with torrents, because you can write your own torrent that ignores the tracker's rules on DHT.

      No matter what your distribution method, you have to remember that they are distributing hundreds of terabytes of data over a tenuous and fragile internet infrastructure. It may not even be Microsoft's links that are failing when you start talking about that much data.

    3. Re:Torrent? by Ilgaz · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I suspect there is something going on with the packet identification in regard to WoW updates. Large ISPs are running very advanced systems to do such "conspire torrent downloaders" tricks and they could be identifying the WoW updates. Or more basically, ISP could be shutting down "conspire P2P" switch when Blizzard does updates.

      I have actually used (via VNC) an American friend's system since I had hard time believing that his connection loses its mind when he runs torrent. It was amazing thing to see and I told him to change his ISP if possible. It was the period when they did the RSET trick.

    4. Re:Torrent? by poopdeville · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Why would Microsoft PAY to not have this happen? Everybody who wants the RC will get it, in time. And now they have free publicity too.

      I am not MS-head, but from what I gather, the MSDN works just fine under normal load.

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    5. Re:Torrent? by w0mprat · · Score: 2, Informative

      Nobody can blame them for not offering a torrent though

      <blame>

      Microsoft could use their own customized download tool that leverages bittorrent, but does not require publishing a .torrent file to the web or to torrent search engines for use with a non-Microsoft download client. For example the tool could pick up the torrent file from authorized servers only. I think there is really little excuse other than not undermining the anti-piracy FUD engine

      </blame>

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    6. Re:Torrent? by Nefarious+Wheel · · Score: 2, Funny

      Do you think the ISP has an army of nerds in direct contact with Blizzard to 'turn off' conspire p2p when WoW patches? Not likely.

      Agree. One or two geared raid groups should be able to pull it off.

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  2. Not thinking by Joe+U · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Microsoft releases Vista/2008 SP2 AND Windows 7 RC AND Windows 2008 R2 RC AND Virtual PC RC AND the Windows 7 SDK on the same day and they don't expect to have bandwidth problems?

    Geez, what were they thinking? SP2 should have come out on RTM day, that would at least cut a few hundred mb downloads out of the picture.

    1. Re:Not thinking by Malc · · Score: 4, Insightful

      It's called Content Delivery Network, and in this case, Microsoft are using Akamai. Bandwidth shouldn't be a problem. I'm downloading Win 7 right now. People need to get a life... so what if they can't download at this very moment an RC of an unreleased OS? This isn't story isn't news; move on.

    2. Re:Not thinking by Malc · · Score: 4, Informative

      Microsoft are using Akamai. Don't speculate, look at the URL in the Download Manager file that comes from the MSDN site, or look at the connections Download Manager has open during the download.

    3. Re:Not thinking by Ilgaz · · Score: 2, Insightful

      In "consumer alpha" slashdotting issue, people found the file and posted its link, directly from Akamai. Sorry for forgetting it in my post. The link worked perfectly and they downloaded it very good speed.

      You know what was the issue? Their Windows server processing, the "key generation" part and the "passport sign in" part. It could be similar issue today and if you ask me, if it is the issue, people trusting their scalability issues (win 2008 downloaders) should think again.

  3. Zomg have to have it the first day! by Knara · · Score: 4, Funny

    Buncha consumerist lemmings :)

  4. Re:WTF? by Joe+U · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Because it's what 80% of the world will be running in about a year?

  5. Re:ITS A TRAP!!! by Joe+U · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Does your XP disc dissolve at some point in the next 13 months?

    If you're smart enough to get the RC running, you know how to re-install XP.

  6. They should have provided a torrent by Matt+Perry · · Score: 4, Insightful

    No joke. They should have provided a torrent. This type of distribution is what bittorrent excels at. It would have provided everyone with a better experience and saved MS some bandwidth.

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    1. Re:They should have provided a torrent by sexconker · · Score: 2, Insightful

      They probably have CONTRACTS with Akamai.
      You know, CONTRACTS that state something along th elines of "You gotta give us ur moneys all teh time you do major content delivery.".

  7. Patience is a virtue by westlake · · Score: 4, Insightful

    East Coast developer tries to download the ISO during his lunch break. It ain't gonna happen.

  8. Funny way to turn the pirates over to their side. by DavidKlemke · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Seems Microsoft might be trying to make the best of a bad situation when it comes to people pirating their software, but turning them into beta testers. Sure you have to give them something for free but in the end you'll get a whole lot of people who would just pirate your software anyway doing a whole lot of free QA for you. Pretty smart move if you ask me.

    Funnily enough I didn't hear anything about Microsoft pursuing the Pirate Bay for hosting the torrent of their latest builds, which seems to support this theory. Anyone seen anything?

  9. Commercial torrent is CDN by SuperKendall · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Nobody can blame them for not offering a torrent though. Thanks to MPAA/RIAA and various ISPs, P2P, especially torrent is an issue for large companies.

    Steam uses torrents.

    Most large companies do not use torrents because they are a little complex for most users - the equivilent is that they use a CDN to distribute the content across many servers, served locally to the user (I know it's not exactly the same but it has a similar effect of distributing load). I wonder if Microsoft was using a CDN or trying to host everything locally.

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    1. Re:Commercial torrent is CDN by Ilgaz · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Apple could embed libtorrent and use its functionality (just like rtorrent) in Software Update which is a dedicated GUI application. Perhaps they know all kinds of junk will happen to their customers such as throttling, letters and even "cable modem freeze" the day they use that system for such general purpose operating system updates.

      It is not simplicity, we have a company which can pack Mach/NeXT/FreeBSD and Carbon, get Unix 03 certificate and sell it as "World's easiest operating system". They sure know how to make things look simple.

    2. Re:Commercial torrent is CDN by Chabo · · Score: 4, Informative

      Steam uses a CDN, not torrents.

      WoW uses bittorrent for the weekly patches though.

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    3. Re:Commercial torrent is CDN by jonadab · · Score: 2, Informative

      > Most large companies do not use torrents because they are a little complex for most users

      Yeah, but you can put that under the hood and the user never has to know the details. You give them a normal http link to download an executable "installer" which downloads the rest of the thing using whatever protocol you like. A few years ago most large software companies were doing this to distribute large freely-downloadable stuff. The protocol under the hood obviously wasn't BitTorrent at that time, but the software could do things like resume an interrupted download (which web browsers of the day couldn't do) and was simpler for the user than working with a real ftp client.

      However, for someone like Microsoft distributing something like a Windows 7 beta build, you're still going to want to spread the load across multiple servers on multiple continents and so on and so forth, which, yeah, is sort of what services like Akamai are all about. If Microsoft doesn't want to contract out like that, they could probably just do something similar with their own resources. I'm pretty sure they're big enough to be able to handle that.

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  10. The brownouts have started! by Kelson · · Score: 4, Funny

    Looks like this story was right!

    Except my computer hasn't started to freeze and jitter. What's up with that?

  11. Re:Surprise Surprise by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Interesting

    How is this a screw up on their part again? They release a preview of the next os and there is so much interest in it that they can't keep up with demand. That sounds like they did something right to get that kind of attention. Also Vista was released 2 years ago. I know it's fashionable to complain about MS but a 2 year cycle doesn't sound like rushing it out.

  12. The OS isn't dead and all your data is intact... by Joce640k · · Score: 4, Funny

    Which part of "insert credit card to continue" is confusing you?

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  13. Re:Funny way to turn the pirates over to their sid by Winckle · · Score: 2, Informative

    Well, when downloading Linux or other FOSS stuff you can check the md5 against the "official" md5 on the project site.

  14. Re:Windows 7 will be successful by MaggieL · · Score: 5, Funny

    You can often count on MSFT to sell you a partial solution to a problem they sold you.

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  15. Re:WTF? by JackieBrown · · Score: 4, Insightful

    But that was the point of Vista: to make whatever came next look revolutionary.

  16. Re:Funny way to turn the pirates over to their sid by a09bdb811a · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Forget everything, can you believe the lemmings download it from Pirate sites? An operating system?

    I downloaded a copy of Vista 64 from a demonoid.com torrent. Already had a legit key from MSDNAA, just didn't have a copy of the x64 version. Microsoft puts the SHA1 sum for the ISO file on their MSDN site, so you can verify that it's an untampered copy. A bit like that cheesy scene (one of many) from the movie Swordfish, where Travolta barks to one of his cronies "Verify this!" and, after a pause, the computer dude says "Verified!". Fuck, that movie was fucking awful.

    Or are you suggesting that you can slip in a trojan and still get the SHA1 sum to match, using some collision that nobody else knows about?

  17. Re:Funny way to turn the pirates over to their sid by Joe+U · · Score: 3, Informative
  18. Re:Windows 7 will be successful by VGPowerlord · · Score: 2, Funny

    You can often count on MSFT to sell you a partial solution to a problem they sold you.

    Oh, that's right, they sell anti-virus software now, don't they?

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  19. Re:Surprise Surprise by Jamie's+Nightmare · · Score: 2, Insightful

    You could spin it that way, but that ignores the rest of the story. Many gamers will upgrade their video card before buying a new computer (with OS included).

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  20. Not Microsoft's Fault by NicknamesAreStupid · · Score: 2, Funny

    The MDSN users are clearly to blame here. They are probably using Vista and IE8. They should be using a Mac and Safari.

  21. Re:Leave it to M$ by Kalriath · · Score: 2, Informative

    Imbecile. It's common (nay, EXPECTED) in the software industry to use one's own products. It's referred to as "eating your own dog food". Fuck off with the "cool-aid" shit.

    Also, the servers would be running on a server class OS. Windows 2008 Server, unless Windows 2010 Server has gone RC recently (it hasn't) - Microsoft actually does tend to use RCs of their own products on their servers, as most software companies do. I assume Apple does the same thing, and it wouldn't surprise me if Canonical updated to RC versions of Ubuntu Server.

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  22. Re:The OS isn't dead and all your data is intact.. by lukas84 · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Yes you can, but they strongly recommended against it. It tried it, and it worked on one out of three machines.

    And the machine where it worked on, strange issues have cropped up.

    So the recommendation to do a clean reinstall should be taken seriously.

  23. Re:Leave it to M$ by lukas84 · · Score: 2, Informative

    Windows Server 2008 R2 (as the Windows 7 server equivalent is called) has RCd at the same time Windows 7 has.

  24. Typical /. by W2k · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Of course, if this had happened during an RC release of a major Linux distro, the comments would be more along the lines of "zomgwtfbbq, Linux is so popular now the masses can't get hold of it fast enough" whereas since it's a Windows RC being released, people are taking the opportunity to flame like idiots instead.

    Doesn't paint a very pretty picture of the FOSS community.

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  25. Re:MD5 Hash please? by D4MO · · Score: 3, Informative

    Screen cap from MSDN

    en_windows_7_ultimate_rc_x86_dvd_349010.iso MD5 Hash: 8867c13330f56a93944bcd46dcd73590
    en_windows_7_ultimate_rc_x64_dvd_347803.iso MD5 Hash: 98341af35655137966e382c4feaa282d

    The x64 leak on mininova has the same MD5

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