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The Manga Guide to Databases

stoolpigeon writes "Princess Ruruna, of the Kingdom of Kod, has a problem. Her parents, the King and Queen, have left to travel abroad. Ruruna has been left to manage the nations fruit business. Much is at stake, Kod is known as "The Country of Fruit." Ruruna is not happy though, as she is swamped by paperwork and information overload. A mysterious book, sent by her father, contains Tico the fairy. Tico, and the supernatural book are going to help Princess Ruruna solve her problems with the power of the database. This is the setting for all that takes place in The Manga Guide to Databases. If you are like me and learned things like normalization and set operations from a rather dry text book, you may be quite entertained by the contents of this book. If you would like to teach others about creating and using relational databases and you want it to be fun, this book may be exactly what you need." Read below for the rest of JR's review. The Manga Guide to Databases author Mana Takahashi, Illustrated by Shoko Azuma pages 220 publisher No Starch Press rating 9/10 reviewer JR Peck ISBN 978-1-59327-190-9 summary Unleash the power of the database. I was pleasantly surprised by this book. It really does do a great job of introducing relational database management systems. All the SQL is ANSI standard. (Except for one exception, joins, which I'll discuss later.) There is no mention that I could find of any certain RDBMS product. Barring any proprietary quirks, everything in here should work on just about anything from Access to Oracle. Teamed up with PostgreSQL or MySQL, I think that one would have everything they need to teach an extremely inexpensive (materials wise anyway) class on building and using databases. I think that the manga format would make it especially attractive to younger people. By younger, I think high school age students would really enjoy it and I think even college students would find it to be fun if they weren't too stuffy. If I were teaching professionals, I might worry that they wouldn't take it seriously, but the content is solid and anyone who can lighten up can also learn from this book.

It is an introductory level book. I wouldn't hand this to an entry level dba and turn them loose on a production system. It teaches what a relational database is, about the entity/relationship model, using standard sql, as well as transactions, recover, indexing and query optimization. That's a pretty decent foundation. There is also a final chapter that is half manga and half more traditional straight text. The manga section gives some information on real world uses for databases and wraps up the story. The second section covers things like multi-tier web applications, stored procedures, triggers, partitioning and replication. It does this all rather quickly and basically just gives the reader an idea of what the terms mean. There is no information on actually implementation details. It wouldn't have made sense anyway as this would have necessitated leaving the generic approach taken in the rest of the book to discuss specific RDBMS products.

The art work is well done and the side story of Ruruna, her assistant Cain and the fairy Tico is entertaining if a bit silly. I thought that it really helped to take what is really dry subject matter and lighten it up. It also introduces examples of real world situations that are being modeled in the data. They are a bit contrived as all examples are in these situations, but they still help to reaffirm how the various pieces fit together so that databases can be helpful. Each chapter picks up with the story and is graphics heavy. This is followed with a by a review section that reverts to a more text heavy mode and then there are review questions. The answers to the questions appear immediately following the questions. I think it would have been nice to have them further removed, so that one wouldn't have any opportunity to see the answers on accident. That said, the review and quiz do a nice job of letting one gauge if they have really picked up the material. If the quiz is a struggle, it is safe to say that going back over the chapter would not be a bad idea. The questions are pretty straight forward and apply the material directly. They are not vague or wishy washy, so not knowing the answers means the reader doesn't know the material.

As I mentioned, the books sticks to standard SQL. I was happy to see this. The only change I would make is that joins are done in the old style as a part of the where clause. The book discusses various types of joins but does not give examples of anything but a normal inner join. This may help someone considering this book to get a good feel for just how far it goes. I found the information on transactions, locking, and indexing to be very good. I really didn't expect much in this regard, but I've worked with experienced, decent developers that I think would learn some things from this book especially about rolling back transactions and the limits of recovery. (Of course these are the situations where DBAs and developers are going to have some of their more interesting interaction. My bonus tip of the day is the developer that calls you in the morning about the database problem, is the one who caused it right before he went home the night before.) That said the discussion on recovery is vendor agnostic like the rest of the book and so there are not really any implementation details. The indexing section is also a bit brief and while it does a good job of explaining what an index is, I think there is too much emphasis on them increasing read speed with enough emphasis on how they may not do that at all and how they can hurt writes. These things are all mentioned, but very briefly.

If I were teaching teenagers or even lower class college students, I wouldn't hesitate to build a class around this book. I think that the amount of fun and heightened interest it could bring to the table would far outweigh the need to supplement the book's few shortcomings. I like that it does not tie the reader to any database product. I would also not hesitate it to a friend who wanted to learn on their own. I think someone has much higher odds of making it through this book compared to the textbooks on relational databases that I had to work through in school. But it is just an introduction. It gives the readers the tools for basic interactions with a database, and a handle on the basic terminology of database administration. Assuming that one will get more than that could lead to trouble. All the way around this is a solid book and I wish there were more like it in the IT world.

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236 comments

  1. Honest Question by x_IamSpartacus_x · · Score: 5, Interesting

    So I have an honest question. How did Manga/Anime become such a nerd thing? I have been a nerd for quite a few years now and none of my nerd friends (RL friends that is) are into Manga. However, whenever I browse online nerdy things (/. in this example) Manga seems a prevalent thing. Can people tell me how you got into it and why you like it?

    1. Re:Honest Question by Rakshasa+Taisab · · Score: 5, Funny

      Yes, how did it ever become such a nerd thing? It used to be here in Japan that it was for normal people.

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    2. Re:Honest Question by tonto1992 · · Score: 2, Funny

      it's the closest any of them will ever come to nailing cute Japanese girls

    3. Re:Honest Question by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

      I'm sorry, did you just ask a bunch of nerds why they like comic books?

    4. Re:Honest Question by __aaclcg7560 · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Large eyes, large boobs, and flashing panties are definitely nerdy for Americans.

    5. Re:Honest Question by interkin3tic · · Score: 1

      He asked an international but mostly american bunch of nerds why they seemed to like a japanese comic book style of drawing. Several key differences.

      To the GP, since when did "nerd" move from an umbrella term covering anyone who has an unusual personal interest in something obscure/technical? Speaking as a biology nerd, I don't run into much manga.

    6. Re:Honest Question by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

      I saw Neon Genesis and FullMetal Alchemist on Adult Swim and things went downhill from there.
      I also knew a girl in my high school who watches anime with some frequency.

      And it makes up for all the shitty American cartoons I was supposed to watch as a child. But didn't, because they are rarely entertaining.

    7. Re:Honest Question by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

      So I have an honest question.

      How did Manga/Anime become such a nerd thing? I have been a nerd for quite a few years now and none of my nerd friends (RL friends that is) are into Manga. However, whenever I browse online nerdy things (/. in this example) Manga seems a prevalent thing. Can people tell me how you got into it and why you like it?

      How did playing RPGs become such a nerd thing? None of my nerd friends play RPGs, and I mostly remembered the delinquents from middle school being the group that was into it.

    8. Re:Honest Question by skine · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Well, here in the US (and I would assume in other parts of the world as well), we have a nerd subculture whose members are called "Japanophiles." These are non-Japanese people who love all things Japanese simply for being Japanese.

      Japanophiles are technically considered nerds because of their strong devotion to a subject area and antisocial stereotype. However, I'm not sure why the Japanophile subculture and Technophile subculture (what I would consider /. to overwhelmingly be) became mixed, aside for the overall classification as nerds.

    9. Re:Honest Question by Eli+Gottlieb · · Score: 3, Interesting

      I have no idea (was going to mod you insightful, btw), but I'm ready to sic the Daleks on manga/anime nerds. Some of them are wonderful people, but most just seem creepy... like they got into exported Japanese culture because they couldn't fit into their own. It has resulted in a cultural mixing of the creepiest nerds of the West with the disturbing pre-existing nerdiness of the Far East.

      To solve it, I recommend a big-budget adaptation of "Dune". That'll give nerds a region to fall in love with that actually has a decent culture and a major impact on the world today!

    10. Re:Honest Question by ildon · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Anime nerds needed to learn to be tech savvy in order to download the newest anime/manga as they're released in Japan without having to wait for them to be imported (and without paying for them, of course).

    11. Re:Honest Question by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You mean, in Japan it was for Japanese people. Japanese people aren't normal.

    12. Re:Honest Question by DaleGlass · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Why do people like books?

      Manga is just a way to tell a story, and unlike the western idea of "comics are for kids" covers pretty much everything, from material for little children to mature subjects.

      Probably part of the interest comes from that Japan is culturally different, so things that have been done 50 times already still seem new to us.

      Manga also often has very weird takes on familiar concepts, for instance compare the One Piece pirates with what'd you expect from the western version.

    13. Re:Honest Question by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Robots robota.

    14. Re:Honest Question by Culture20 · · Score: 1

      How did Manga/Anime become such a nerd thing? I have been a nerd for quite a few years now and none of my nerd friends (RL friends that is) are into Manga.

      Robotech. That is all.

    15. Re:Honest Question by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Here's the thing when I was growing up, nerd, geek, dork, these were all pejoratives. I think it is still so, but I'm not sure. As a pejorative, nerd meant that the people calling you a nerd didn't like you, your personality or your interests.

      When I was a kid, that meant computers. Most of my classmates had never seen a computer, they were more into Gilligan's Island. I thought Ultima III was cool and I didn't really like Gilligan's Island. If I expressed such feelings to my classmates, it was the equivalent of putting on a Scarlet Letter. The nail that stands up is the one that is hammered down.

      If a pursuit is considered nerdish, that means that the larger society feels it is a dangerous thing and creates memetic antibodies to suppress it. You can call this the cult of cool if you like. Expressed in the film Otaku No Video (paraphrased), "People who play tennis are AOK, people who like animation are no good." This is understandable, people who like football wouldn't like it if they just showed Yu-Gi-Oh! tounaments on ESPN instead, people who like tennis don't want to find out that their doubles partners are dropping out to play D&D.

      Now, I've been out of school for what seems like hundreds of years. My impression is that computers, or some parts of computer use, are now considered cool. I could be way off on that of course.

      Manga may not be nerdish, or they may be nerdish for boys and acceptable for girls. I'm not sure, being an middle aged man, who doesn't get involved to much with his teenage step daughter(I know she likes Sonic games for what it's worth, just bought her one. For the DS naturally, not the one where he becomes a werewolf what were they thinking). She's more into R&B than anime or manga, though. I bought her a xxxHolic manga, her Mom told me she was reading it, which is good. She also liked those "Series of Unfortunate Events Books," but I ramble.

    16. Re:Honest Question by vertinox · · Score: 1

      So I have an honest question. How did Manga/Anime become such a nerd thing?

      It was a major nerd thing back in the 1990's but these days its a bit more mainstream. I'd have to argue that D&D has become more mainstream because of WoW.

      Anyways, back in the day before streaming video on the net, most of the people who were into Anime were the same people who were into Scifi stuff as well. At college we'd have an anime club that people would fan sub and trade tapes.

      And let me tell you... We were all nerds.

      Now that Pokemon and Naruto are basically mainstream, anime isn't as subcultured as it once was but plenty of still have our nerd roots when it comes to it.

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    17. Re:Honest Question by an+unsound+mind · · Score: 3, Funny

      Because RPG nerds and techie nerds are heavily mixed, and RPG nerds and Japanophiles share bookstores.

      'tleast it's so here.

    18. Re:Honest Question by sesshomaru · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Hmmph, I'd like to see a group of Daleks take on a similarly sized group of Tachikoma, that would be a fun fight.

      But the real question is what would the Cybermen make of someone like Major Motoko Kusanagi? Kindred spirit or hated enemy?

      Tune in to the next episode of Dr. Who versus Ghost in The Shell....

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    19. Re:Honest Question by Daravon · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Probably because the easiest way to get your dose of Japanese culture was via computer (ten or fifteen years ago). Around that time, computers were not still widely available.

      I'm not sure which came first. The love of Japan turned people into nerds so they could get their fix, or if nerds turned into Japanophiles when exposed to Japanese gamma radiation (manga, etc).

      Online is still the easiest way, but you can also find anime or manga in stores or (in the case of anime) on TV. So in the younger kids, you'll see less of computer nerd/Japanophile combinations.

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    20. Re:Honest Question by adamchou · · Score: 1

      How did Manga/Anime become such a nerd thing?

      I'm thinking its because only the nerds ever figured out how to use things like irc bots and torrents to download them.

    21. Re:Honest Question by jollyreaper · · Score: 1

      So I have an honest question. How did Manga/Anime become such a nerd thing? I have been a nerd for quite a few years now and none of my nerd friends (RL friends that is) are into Manga. However, whenever I browse online nerdy things (/. in this example) Manga seems a prevalent thing. Can people tell me how you got into it and why you like it?

      It's the nexus of nerdom. Many things are considered geeky -- Star Trek, Star Wars, scifi, gadgets, rpg's, comics, japanese media. While all may be geeky, you may not have geeked out on each and every one of them. Me, I never had the money to become a comic geek. There really weren't any other traditional geeks at my school and thus nobody playing RPG's. So I tended to be a hardcore book geek and later branched out into computers. I have an appreciation for good anime and manga but the most of it seems to follow Sturgeon's rule. And the anime nuts I have met tended to dork out on the subject so much that even I thought it was embarrassing.

      To rephrase your statement, that'd be like saying "Hey, I'm a major sports guy but I never liked hockey. None of my friends were into hockey, we liked football. So why are people saying hockey is something sports guys are into?" Hockey's a sport. Maybe not your sport but nevertheless...

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    22. Re:Honest Question by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Interesting

      I was in Japan a couple months ago. I had j-pussy thrown at me 2-3 times a day and a dozen times at night. I had to stay in a couple nights just to recuperate from all the ass I was getting. And I was making no effort whatsoever (Hey, I'm married). I'm going to bring some viagra next time I go (in June).

    23. Re:Honest Question by K.+S.+Kyosuke · · Score: 1

      Perhaps it happened when the nerds realized that now and then, a masterpiece of art appears among all those boobies and tentacles. :-)

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    24. Re:Honest Question by Mister+Whirly · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Funny, because most of the westerners I know that read/love/collect comics are in their late 20s early 30s. I think the whole "comic are for kids" thing died out years ago.
      There is also a distinction between "comic books" and "graphic novels" too. Just as there are adult themed comics in Japan, I am sure there are also ones aimed at Japanese kids.

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    25. Re:Honest Question by Talderas · · Score: 1

      Well, here in the US (and I would assume in other parts of the world as well), we have a nerd subculture whose members are called "Japanophiles."

      I think the proper term is 'Otaku'.

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    26. Re:Honest Question by Cernst77 · · Score: 0, Troll

      Lol! Nice post! Being a fan of both GITS: Stand alone complex and Dr. Who. I want to see this fight!

    27. Re:Honest Question by MBCook · · Score: 3, Funny

      Should I be worried that I'd be willing to watch that?

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    28. Re:Honest Question by orclevegam · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I think it has less to do with the art style than the content. Manga/Anime tends to have more scifi themes than just about anything else (primarily due to the costs involved in doing things like mecha in other media formats) which naturally tends to appeal to nerds/geeks who are often fans of scifi. For great examples of this check out any of Ghost In The Shell, Guyver, Gunslinger Girls, Cowboy Bebop, Serial Experiments Laing (explores psychological aspects of reality), Gundam (to a greater or lesser extent, depends on which of the hundred or so versions you're talking about), Akira, Armitage III, and plenty of others that are too numerous to name.

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    29. Re:Honest Question by Thornburg · · Score: 2, Informative

      Well, here in the US (and I would assume in other parts of the world as well), we have a nerd subculture whose members are called "Japanophiles."

      I think the proper term is 'Otaku'.

      Otaku is a different sort of term. A Japanophile would be a particular type of otaku, since an otaku is someone who is thoroughly obsessed with something. AFAIK, the "something" is not limited to any particular subset, although anime, manga, videogames, and subgenres of those things are common subjects for an otaku to be obsessed with.

    30. Re:Honest Question by frieko · · Score: 1

      Seriously! Manga/anime is typically thoughtful science fiction or fantasy. Wherever you have that, you have nerds fawning over it. It's no different from the nerd following of, say, Whedon or Gaiman or Tolkien. It just happens to be from another country.

    31. Re:Honest Question by Neko-kun · · Score: 1

      First, because I read much faster than I watch an episode.

      Second, manga/mahnwa uses the art itself to tell the story unlike its DC/Marvel counterparts that use WALL OF TEXT to describe the scene.

      Third, name a genre, any genre. There's a manga for it. It's nice to sometimes read about the daily adventures of a cat instead of reading a retconned version of a story.

    32. Re:Honest Question by Vorpix · · Score: 1

      even our very own CmdrTaco ran AnimeFu.com, which seems to have fallen by the wayside.

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    33. Re:Honest Question by Eli+Gottlieb · · Score: 1

      May thy knife chip and shatter. And be EXTERMINATED.

    34. Re:Honest Question by LandDolphin · · Score: 1

      Maybe because the Japanese have a Technophile culture. So the Japanophile subculture have adapted to include that? Along wit hthe other suggestions above.

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    35. Re:Honest Question by x_IamSpartacus_x · · Score: 1

      I appreciate the point. I did use "nerd" a bit to broadly. When I said "nerd" I was referring more to the tech/gadget/has an education in I.T/wants to get an education in I.T/etc. I think most would agree that this kind of "nerd" makes up the majority voice on slashdot and, while I feel community with that majority, I don't feel community with those who enjoy manga/anime. I am confused why those two groups so often overlap.

    36. Re:Honest Question by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I think it's because it provides a steady stream of sci-fi and fantasy in an SF-deprived America.

      The boobs don't hurt either.

    37. Re:Honest Question by averner · · Score: 1

      There is also a distinction between "comic books" and "graphic novels" too.

      You sure? I smell a euphemism treadmill.

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    38. Re:Honest Question by x_IamSpartacus_x · · Score: 1

      Thank you for rephrasing my question so well. I used the word "nerd" far too broadly in my original question.

      I consider myself a "Technophile" and have never felt drawn to the "Japanophile" culture. I LOVE Tolkien (can almost speak elvish), understand those who love Star Trek/Star Wars (I camped outside a movie theatre for 36 hours to be the first one into Episode I and nearly cried when Jar Jar was my reward) and I really do enjoy Sci-Fi.

      I have seen some manga/anime and, maybe because Japanese culture is so different from my own, find myself often annoyed with some of what seems absurd to me. Why do they have to SAY what they are doing ALL THE TIME? ("I'll use flaming arrow fart to confuse him while I kick high in the air to thwart his dragon breath insticts" (wat the hell?)).

      Anyway, I just don't get drawn into it all like it seems many other technophiles are and I find myself wondering why.

    39. Re:Honest Question by mdarksbane · · Score: 2, Insightful

      And technophiles are more likely to be exposed to manga and anime (which has only recently become widely available offline).

      Personally, I had the tech half first. I was drawn to anime mostly because of my interest in science fiction and fantasy, combined with an enjoyment of animation in general. There is a much broader variety of fantasy and sci-fi animation (and aimed at at least teenagers instead of toddlers) coming from Japan than in the US.

      Unfortunately, early exposure to actual decent films (Neon Genesis Evangelion, Cowboy Bebop, nearly everything by Studio Ghibli) combined with a limited supply of new series, often leads fans to an obsession with a strangely distorted view of Japanese culture, extending all the way to grown men watching horrible children's shows just because they are drawn in an anime style.

    40. Re:Honest Question by KURAAKU+Deibiddo · · Score: 1

      Ironically, Robotech is an American adaptation, edited together from 3 different (and unrelated) Japanese anime series: The Super Dimension Fortress Macross , Super Dimension Cavalry Southern Cross , and Genesis Climber Mospeada .

    41. Re:Honest Question by RyuuzakiTetsuya · · Score: 1

      Yes because there's absolutely nothing nerdy about Gundam...

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    42. Re:Honest Question by tknd · · Score: 3, Insightful

      I have seen some manga/anime and, maybe because Japanese culture is so different from my own, find myself often annoyed with some of what seems absurd to me. Why do they have to SAY what they are doing ALL THE TIME? ("I'll use flaming arrow fart to confuse him while I kick high in the air to thwart his dragon breath insticts" (wat the hell?)).

      Some anime/manga are targeted at kids while others are targeted at older audiences. You're certainly not going to find that in something like Ghost in the Shell, but Dragonball...sure.

      This is no different from The Power Rangers and other kid shows in the US.

      I do think a lot of the recent stuff coming out from Japan is crap. It has mostly been loli shows about little school girls and harems. But once in a while you can find a good show suitable for adults.

      The main cultural difference between the States and Japan as far as content goes (this includes Japanese "live action" shows) is that things over in Asian tend to be plot driven while in the States things tend to be character driven. So in Japanese shows it isn't uncommon to have stupid characters with no purpose or have little character development. In the States, however, nothing can happen in an entire season yet people fall in love with the characters.

    43. Re:Honest Question by PitaBred · · Score: 1

      Just because you say it doesn't make it so. I watched the new X-Men last night, and some idiot woman had about a 4 or 5 year old kid there. The only reason I can think of is because it's a comic book movie, that means it's for kids, right? PG-13... what do the ratings people know. It's a comic book!

    44. Re:Honest Question by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      There is also a distinction between "comic books" and "graphic novels" too.

      Absolutely right! Comic books are what they're called when the story is sold in individual pieces. Graphic novels are what they're called when those are compiled into perfect-bound volumes.

    45. Re:Honest Question by Fujisawa+Sensei · · Score: 1

      So I have an honest question.

      How did Manga/Anime become such a nerd thing? I have been a nerd for quite a few years now and none of my nerd friends (RL friends that is) are into Manga. However, whenever I browse online nerdy things (/. in this example) Manga seems a prevalent thing. Can people tell me how you got into it and why you like it?

      How did playing RPGs become such a nerd thing? None of my nerd friends play RPGs, and I mostly remembered the delinquents from middle school being the group that was into it.

      In some middle schools being into RPGs made you a delinquent.

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    46. Re:Honest Question by sesshomaru · · Score: 1

      They've done two live action adaptations of Dune... the time has come for an Anime adaptation!

      Hey, if it's good enough for E. E. "Doc" Smith.... okay, really bad example...

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    47. Re:Honest Question by LordGlenn · · Score: 1

      I remember ( a few years back) going to see "Godfather III" and being suprised by all the small kids in the audiance. this was not a comic book film. anybody with a brain knew was not a kids film. Too Cheep to hire sitters? your guess is as good as mine.

    48. Re:Honest Question by bonch · · Score: 1

      When they're drawn in the form of children's cartoons, yeah.

    49. Re:Honest Question by sesshomaru · · Score: 1


      In some middle schools being into RPGs made you a delinquent.

      And a Satanist! With evil supernatural powers... ah, but I'm becoming nostalgic....

      Still, you would think I'd have gotten more trim with that reputation, ah well...

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    50. Re:Honest Question by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If you are Japanese nerd, you would want to learn some Engrish first.

    51. Re:Honest Question by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Actually, it should be 'if you want to learn like a Japanese nerd.'

    52. Re:Honest Question by DreamsAreOkToo · · Score: 2, Insightful

      For me, I liked the new (different) story telling style. In America, we tend to have a very Hollywood, everybody goes home happy at the end of the day, story telling style.

      Japan tends to focus more on their culture, which is often, "Do what is right, even though it'll make you unhappy."

    53. Re:Honest Question by Molochi · · Score: 1

      I think its always been more popular on the west coast especially in the SFO Bay Area and Seattle. Lots of Web media is based there and caters to their own tastes. If you have Japanese schoolmates/neighbors/business associates you're more likely to develop an affinity for the culture. If you live someplace that someone would actually come out and ask you WHY you're reading a Japanese comic book, then there probably is minimal exposure to the culture. As for the geek link, Comic/SF/Gaming conventions have always been a social gathering for nerds and Japanese media is a fixture there. Anime clubs that import and subtitle shows tend to be full of nerdy types. Etc...

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    54. Re:Honest Question by Darkness404 · · Score: 1

      Funny, because most of the westerners I know that read/love/collect comics are in their late 20s early 30s. I think the whole "comic are for kids" thing died out years ago.

      Sure, but all western comics are alike. Everyone goes home happy in the end, someone gets weird powers, etc. Manga has a much more broader scope, from sci fi, to fantasy, to comedy, to romance, to whatever.

      And even with graphic novels taken into consideration, the culture is totally different. In Japan, a grown man reading manga is seen as totally normal, in the US a grown man reading any sort of comic books, graphic novel or not is seen as odd. Because of this publishers hesitate to publish mature graphic novels for fear of a lack of western readers. Japan doesn't have that problem and so a lot more manga gets created and then the top few novels that sold well in Japan and deemed "localizable" are translated (and sometimes ruined...) and imported into the USA.

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    55. Re:Honest Question by Toonol · · Score: 1

      Ah, Japanese women like assholes. I'm begin to think this is a universal feminine trait.

    56. Re:Honest Question by Toonol · · Score: 2, Funny

      There is also a distinction between "comic books" and "graphic novels" too.

      The pretentiousness of the owner?

    57. Re:Honest Question by franki.macha · · Score: 1

      It seems to me that that post suggests that Whedon, Gaiman and Tolkien are from the same country (the USA), which would be misleading as two of them are British, just in case anyone reading this didn't know :)

    58. Re:Honest Question by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You call them "Japanophiles?" We call them "Weeaboo" or "Otaku"

    59. Re:Honest Question by ae1294 · · Score: 1

      FullMetal Alchemist 2 is starting to come out on bitTorrent.. not that I would use such a thing... but fullMetal WAS a great story.

    60. Re:Honest Question by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You know One Piece is targeted at kids right? Even in Japan.

    61. Re:Honest Question by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      it's the closest any of them will ever come to nailing cute Japanese girls

      So wrong. We prefer 2D!

    62. Re:Honest Question by celtislav · · Score: 1

      You sure? I smell a euphemism treadmill.

      Argumentum Olfactorium.

    63. Re:Honest Question by mrogers · · Score: 1
      Funny, because most of the westerners I know that read/love/collect comics are in their late 20s early 30s. I think the whole "comic are for kids" thing died out years ago.

      Most of the things people in their late 20s and early 30s spend their money on are either designed for kids, derived from things we enjoyed as kids, or befuddle our brains so we act like kids. We're the generation that decided that instead of growing up and having kids, we'd carry on being kids for as long as we can get away with it. That suits the people who make Converse, Star Wars toys, Mario games, X-Men comics and MD 20/20 just fine - they can keep selling us the same shit they've been selling us for the last 20-odd years, but with a higher price tag now that we've got a bit more money in our pockets.

      Now if you'll excuse me, I'm bidding on a mint condition 1990 "Eat My Shorts" t-shirt on eBay...

    64. Re:Honest Question by Khyber · · Score: 1

      "And a Satanist! With evil supernatural powers... ah, but I'm becoming nostalgic...."

      No, that would be the Magic players, not RPGers.

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    65. Re:Honest Question by skine · · Score: 1

      Only Japanophiles would use the word 'Otaku.'

    66. Re:Honest Question by Eli+Gottlieb · · Score: 1

      And neither of those live-action adaptions was the one it deserves. It deserves the "Lord of the Rings" treatment, the full 3 parts of the book made into a film each.

      Film 1: "Dune -- Desert Planet"
      Film 2: "Dune -- Muad'Dib"
      Film 3: "Dune -- The Prophet"

    67. Re:Honest Question by Khyber · · Score: 1

      "They've done two live action adaptations of Dune... the time has come for an Anime adaptation!"

      They certainly wouldn't have any problems with the blue eyes, that's for sure. ;)

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    68. Re:Honest Question by StevisF · · Score: 1

      I started to watch anime because it happened to be on after Futurama during the Adult Swim block on Cartoon Network. I was impressed with what I saw in some series (Full Metal Alchemist and Paranoia Agent) and started seeking out more of it on my own. Some anime is as good or better than any independent cinema you can find. There's some really unique stuff and just a lot of really good and interesting storytelling. You can develop a lot more depth in ten hours of content than you can in two hours and some anime takes advantage of this fact.

      Anime is shown during primetime on major television networks in Japan. Manga is read by just about everyone in Japan. Forty percent of the books published in Japan are manga. There are tons of educational manga like the one reviewed in this post. Given the wide viewership and readership in Japan, a considerable range of manga and anime are created.

      Illustrated books and animation are just two other art forms. Most Americans can't get past their limited use in the US. Too bad for them.

    69. Re:Honest Question by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The Super Sentai Series (/. sucks at UTF8) is the name given to the long running Japanese superhero team genre of shows produced by Toei Company Ltd., Toei Agency and Bandai, and aired by TV Asahi ("Super" refers to their use of mecha, and "sentai" is the Japanese word for "task force" or, literally, "fighting squadron" and was also a term used for Japanese squadrons in WWII). The shows are of the tokusatsu genre, featuring live action characters and colorful special effects, and are aimed mainly at children. This series is one of the most prominent tokusatsu productions in Japan, alongside the Ultra Series, the Kamen Rider Series, and the Metal Hero Series and was adapted in the United States as Power Rangers.

    70. Re:Honest Question by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      yes, he did, because see, being interested in computers and technical things shows intelligence and seriousness. Being interested in comic books shows... childishness.

    71. Re:Honest Question by indi0144 · · Score: 1

      if you love that take a look at this

      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Texhnolyze

      btw I'd buy this book, also I'll wait for a JAVA and C++ guide in manga.

    72. Re:Honest Question by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      heh, I don't know if that's true. I've lived in Japan for a long time. While it's true that more "normal" people like Anime and Manga than in the US, but it's still mainly for people in their teens and earlier. The people in the US who think everyone in Japan reads manga 24/7 need to pay more attention to reality. Then again, they tend to actively seek out the few venues where that might be true, so...

    73. Re:Honest Question by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

      No, the proper term is 'Paedophile'.

    74. Re:Honest Question by jesset77 · · Score: 1

      How did Manga/Anime become such a nerd thing?

      Nobody is saying all nerds like Anime/Manga, but a statistically high percentage do. Additionally, all Otaku (Westerners who admire Japanese pop culture) are by definition nerds.

      As to the why, only nerds have the patience or the intellectual capacity to read subtitles, read comic books from right to left, put up with badly dubbed voice acting, and learn enough about a foreign culture to comprehend the wacky Nipponese idioms or Shinto superstitions that are taken for granted across the pacific.

      Non-nerds simply cannot do that. Non-nerds must be force-fed their entertainment via cable television. It must be in clearly enunciated English and it must not frighten them, challenge their beliefs or make use of concepts outside their ken.

      So, Manga simply makes a much better DB primer than non-nerdy media, such as reality shows or football would. :P

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    75. Re:Honest Question by teh+kurisu · · Score: 2, Funny

      I had j-pussy thrown at me 2-3 times

      Like this?

    76. Re:Honest Question by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You know that kind of movie we geeks wait all year to come out, the fantasy / sci-fi / comic book movie that turns reality on its head and just does cool stuff? Like this year it's Wolverine, Star Trek, Terminator and Harry Potter? Well, anime and manga have that type of story in abundance. Rather than waiting for just 5 or 6 movies in a year, if you want an awesome reality-bending story you can go hit the manga shelf in Borders and have your pick of hundreds. Androids, FTL drives, secret mage wars in the shadows of modern society, groups of unlikely heroes assembling to take on the establishment -- you can just browse for the exact type of story that gets your geek groove on.

    77. Re:Honest Question by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Serial Experiments Lain.

    78. Re:Honest Question by Rysc · · Score: 1

      This is no different from The Power Rangers and other kid shows in the US.

      You don't know how right you are: Power Rangers is based on some dumb Japanese kids show.

      I do think a lot of the recent stuff coming out from Japan is crap. It has mostly been loli shows about little school girls and harems. But once in a while you can find a good show suitable for adults.

      And then you have things in between, like Haruhi. Can you really enjoy it without being a Japanophile (or otherwise conversant with typical Anime cliches)? I don't know. But, if you are somewhat familiar with the style, it's good.

      I'd like to take a moment to recommend Trigun to anyone who is non-hostile to Anime and wants something that isn't just for kids. It's fun, but not completely frivolous, is available on DVD in the USA for cheap, will introduce you to a lot of the style of Anime without bombarding you with too many in-jokes, and it's deep enough that you might enjoy it. It's a one-season show if 26 episodes (IIRC), nicely self contained unlike a Ranma/Dragonball/Naruto/One Piece/etc/etc..

      I can also recommend the well-known Cowboy Bebop for many of the same reasons. It might be a bit hard to follow, but a lot of Anime is like that in that it sometimes expects the audience to infer things on their own. But, everybody recommends Cowboy Bebop.

      If you want to jump in the deep end of weird... try Bobobo-bo Bobobo or Excel Saga, but you may not find them funny.

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    79. Re:Honest Question by catbertscousin · · Score: 1

      Hmmph, I'd like to see a group of Daleks take on a similarly sized group of Tachikoma, that would be a fun fight.

      T1: Batou-san! Giant salt-shakers are attacking the city! We're moving to intercept!
      T2: Yes, yes, we tried talking to them but they only know one word.
      T3: Maybe they've never had a full language database uploaded?
      T4: Oooh! We should upload a full database to them, then we can ask them why they're here.
      T1: Hehehe! I bet they can't understand logic paradoxes!

      But the real question is what would the Cybermen make of someone like Major Motoko Kusanagi? Kindred spirit or hated enemy?

      I don't know that they'd be alive long enough to find out.

      Tune in to the next episode of Dr. Who versus Ghost in The Shell....

      Yeah . . . I would totally watch this . . .

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    80. Re:Honest Question by YourExperiment · · Score: 1

      Gundam (to a greater or lesser extent, depends on which of the hundred or so versions you're talking about)

      That's what you get when you put the Japanese agriculture ministry in charge of such things.

    81. Re:Honest Question by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "And a Satanist! With evil supernatural powers... ah, but I'm becoming nostalgic...."

      No, that would be the Magic players, not RPGers.

      Considering the user IDs, MtG wasn't around when they were in Middle school.

    82. Re:Honest Question by Fujisawa+Sensei · · Score: 1

      They've done two live action adaptations of Dune... the time has come for an Anime adaptation!

      Hey, if it's good enough for E. E. "Doc" Smith.... okay, really bad example...

      The Lensman anime, like getting Mark Hammil to play Connan, instead of Ahhhnald.

      The only redeeming feature of that anime, was that it inspired me to read the books to find out WTF, many years later, after I found out it was a novel adaptation. Yeah, I saw it in the Mid 80s, bad vhs copy with the white subtitles.

      I seem to remember the poor bastard's reaction to doing the Lensman Anime comic book. He was a Lensman fan, and found out after the fact that he had the rights to the Anime, not the novels.

      This rant about the Lensman Anime has been interrupted by Fujisawa Sensei's second Long Island Iced Tea taking effect, and he is no longer able to continue the post, lest he end up sounding like a certain chapter from "Portrait of the Artist". He's also hoping that he's sober enough by morning to actually make it to work.

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  2. I'm betting this book... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    has all sorts of marketing for a certain database product.

    1. Re:I'm betting this book... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      no it doesn't. RTFP!

  3. Companion book... by Lumpy · · Score: 5, Funny

    The Power Rangers guide to VI.

    and for the little kids out there...

    Teletubbies do SQL and PHP

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    1. Re:Companion book... by hansamurai · · Score: 5, Funny

      The Power Rangers guide to VI.

      That would actually be a great book. As regular high school teenagers, they would just be editing in insert mode. Just as if they were in pico or notepad. Suddenly, danger looms and they need more power, IT'S MODAL MORPHIN' TIME!

      The kids transform into command mode, battling Rita Repulsive's giant monsters with ease as they zoom around the text at high speeds unthinkable to any normal human being. "I'm going to double-d your evil monster hide with my HJKL stick!"

    2. Re:Companion book... by DaleGlass · · Score: 4, Funny

      The Death Note Linux Manual.

      *dramatic typing*

      userdel -f -r lumpy

      Sakujo!

    3. Re:Companion book... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Teletubbies do SQL and PHP

      Actually PHP has been invented by Teletubbies.

    4. Re:Companion book... by oringo · · Score: 1

      The Database guide to Manga!

    5. Re:Companion book... by Kushieda+Minorin · · Score: 4, Funny

      userdel -f -r lumpy

      I will take this home directory...

      ...AND DELETE IT!

    6. Re:Companion book... by operagost · · Score: 1

      No such things yet, but I have read a nice children's book about the "ping" tool starring a duck. I thought "ping" was a rather basic thing to write an entire book around but, hey, if five year olds know more about ICMP it can't be bad!

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    7. Re:Companion book... by jav1231 · · Score: 1

      (slowly puts the book back on the shelf) Always with the negative vibes!

    8. Re:Companion book... by Triela · · Score: 0

      Or the much less popular companion: The Database Guide to Manga How to understand Manga in SQL statements. I don't see how the plot would come in.

    9. Re:Companion book... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      MOD PARENT UP

        Help! I ran out of mod points! That quote is genius!!

    10. Re:Companion book... by sabernet · · Score: 3, Funny

      Spiderman's guide to web design.

    11. Re:Companion book... by lennier · · Score: 1

      Teletubbies say 'Uh-oh! No data returned for query!'

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    12. Re:Companion book... by Lumpy · · Score: 1

      Problem is that book two they revealed that Rita used emacs. And it started a holy war that spanned 3 continents and 2 kernel major numbers. The book is only available underground now and is illegal to even own in 7 countries.

      Most of you are too young to remember the VI/Emacs wars.. Many veterans still flintch at the sound of a keyboard clacking or a Ctrl-G typed at at Wyse80 terminal.

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    13. Re:Companion book... by Lumpy · · Score: 1

      Many a sysadmin has tried that and failed. They always forget to destroy all the backup tapes.

      I live forever in the offsite storage facility just waiting for a errant assistant to restore me to my previous glory!

      Or I can use my backup login, oh crap, they change the password. FIEND!

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    14. Re:Companion book... by antdah · · Score: 1

      The Power Rangers guide to VI.

      I'd buy it. So, where's the Gandalf's Great Book of FORTRAN?
      or Batman Begins With XML? (Would make an awesome movie!).

    15. Re:Companion book... by identity0 · · Score: 1

      That explains why my webpage got hit with an SQL injection attack consisting of unintellible goos and gaas.

    16. Re:Companion book... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The ultimate Windows 2008 Server Borg's Guide

    17. Re:Companion book... by Hillgiant · · Score: 1

      Batman Begins With XML? (Would make an awesome movie!).

      No. Just no.

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    18. Re:Companion book... by laejoh · · Score: 1

      Followed by Spiderman's guide to search engines

  4. Why Stop There? by eldavojohn · · Score: 1

    ... introducing relational database management ...

    Aw, that's a shame. Where's the book with the story of young Gogol who starts in his garage trying to find a single sacred shard to save his father, Sir Adword, so the kingdom can prosper again. It lies somewhere in the several million other shards across many distant lands. There is only one way to identify the shard. He must first discover the fastest path to a land that may or may not have it and alert all the other lands if he finds it ...

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  5. Is there anything... by Kell+Bengal · · Score: 3, Funny

    Manga: is there anything it can't teach?

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    1. Re:Is there anything... by Ambiguous+Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

      What, like social skills?

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    2. Re:Is there anything... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      self-respect

    3. Re:Is there anything... by Tablizer · · Score: 1

      nor fashion skills.

    4. Re:Is there anything... by Spy+der+Mann · · Score: 2, Funny

      What, like social skills?

      Dating sims. ^_^

    5. Re:Is there anything... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Hygene

    6. Re:Is there anything... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Good clothes are a form of shoujo/josei fanservice.

    7. Re:Is there anything... by story645 · · Score: 1

      Clothes are a form of fanservice in shoujo/josei manga.

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    8. Re:Is there anything... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No, really.
      Dating sims are woman manuals. Play a few dating sims(preferably those not involving rape) and then try the same approach on real women.
      You will stop being a virgin real soon.

  6. Re:Wow. by __aaclcg7560 · · Score: 0

    Otaku != Anonymous Coward (basement dweller)

    :P

  7. Not Right Now by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

    Too busy playing Katawa Shoujo.

    There must be a hidden Misha route here somewhere...

  8. Queue rehash of last Manga story by CambodiaSam · · Score: 2, Funny

    I get the feeling this discussion is going to go down the same road that the Manga guide to Statistics one did...

    So, now you can run reports on the instances of tentacle penetrations based on any number of hierarchies and dimensions!

    1. Re:Queue rehash of last Manga story by Kushieda+Minorin · · Score: 2, Funny

      I hear the chapter on SQL injection is a good read.

    2. Re:Queue rehash of last Manga story by Kell+Bengal · · Score: 1

      Wouldn't that be the Hentai Guide to Databases?

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    3. Re:Queue rehash of last Manga story by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I think that's probably "Cue rehash..."

      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cue_(theatrical)

      But "Queue" sort of works here. Mabye that's an eggcorn?

    4. Re:Queue rehash of last Manga story by PitaBred · · Score: 1

      Just like a Ferrari is still a car, hentai is still manga.

    5. Re:Queue rehash of last Manga story by Kell+Bengal · · Score: 1

      Only it goes faster?

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    6. Re:Queue rehash of last Manga story by fbjon · · Score: 1

      Rather, it comes faster.

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    7. Re:Queue rehash of last Manga story by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Not so much. I've figured out to check types on my input values, but I have no idea where to get a tentacle.

    8. Re:Queue rehash of last Manga story by Kell+Bengal · · Score: 1

      Zing!

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  9. The manga guide to statistics/database by Splab · · Score: 1

    I've bought both the database one and statistics one and I must say I agree with the review, these books does a great job of giving a novice a quick introduction to the world of databases/statistics. While not covering everything, they will build up some base for the reader to allow him to read more in-depth books that might have been to heavy to start out with.

    I for one sure as hell had a hard time understanding statistics.

    1. Re:The manga guide to statistics/database by Hognoxious · · Score: 1

      I've bought both the database one and statistics one and I must say I agree with the review

      You're typing that with your other hand?

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    2. Re:The manga guide to statistics/database by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Are you stupid?

    3. Re:The manga guide to statistics/database by falconwolf · · Score: 1

      I've bought both the database one and statistics one and I must say I agree with the review, these books does a great job of giving a novice a quick introduction to the world of databases/statistics.

      Thanks, this is the first comment on the merit of the book and not on whether manga is good or nerdy. Is it good for database design though? I took such as class several years ago but haven't worked with DBs since. However I want to start working with them and am thinking about installing and experimenting with either PostgreSQL or Firebird though I may try MySQL. Perhaps I'll try all three. Which ever one I use it'll have to run on both Linux and OS X.

      While not covering everything, they will build up some base for the reader to allow him to read more in-depth books that might have been to heavy to start out with.

      Yea, I see this review says it's platform agnostic.

      Falcon

    4. Re:The manga guide to statistics/database by stoolpigeon · · Score: 1

      Like a lot of other intro. type books it teaches normalization - which is the start of good design, in my opinion. But I certainly wouldn't want someone designing a real world db with just that information.

      If you are getting back in the game it might be a fun way to get refreshed on terminology and basic concepts. But if you are doing anything non-trivial then you'll need more.

      The book is inexpensive, the content is decent and it may come in handy when you inevitably run into someone who needs to know a little SQL or how a general idea of how relational databases work.

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    5. Re:The manga guide to statistics/database by Splab · · Score: 1

      I've been working with databases for quite some time including teachers assistant at DIKU (CS at Copenhagen University) and I don't think it will come close to any of the books we teach, it does give you a great basis to work from when switching to those books.

      Having something that is lighter read to get started with so you get the basics will help you a long way (YMMV).

    6. Re:The manga guide to statistics/database by falconwolf · · Score: 1

      If you are getting back in the game it might be a fun way to get refreshed on terminology and basic concepts. But if you are doing anything non-trivial then you'll need more.

      To start with I thought I'd create a DB of my movies. I literally have hundreds of movies on DVDs and VHS tapes. I want to create tables for the directors, movie titles, genera, actors, and producers. I want to include the movie format, letterbox or TV, and the media type. I'd do the same for my music, I only have a few CDs and tapes but I want to get a new vinyl turntable and buy some vinyl records.

      Falcon

    7. Re:The manga guide to statistics/database by Hognoxious · · Score: 1

      No, but you'll go blind one day, mfh.

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    8. Re:The manga guide to statistics/database by falconwolf · · Score: 1

      I don't think it will come close to any of the books we teach, it does give you a great basis to work from when switching to those books.

      Having something that is lighter read to get started with so you get the basics will help you a long way (YMMV).

      In a sense I'm between the basics and the intermediate in terms of DBs. As I said earlier I took a Database Management Systems, DBMS, class several years ago. In the class we worked on normalizing tables as well as analyzing system requirements. While I got an A in the class my memory is terrible, if I don't use it I loose it. So I want something as a refresher. But not dry.

      Actually I want the same to review calculus, differential equations, and physics. Years ago, after taking all these classes, as a college student I survived an injury that damaged my memory. I want to go back to college, so I'll either need to take a refresher or compleatly retake them.

      Falcon

  10. life imitating art? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

    "A Young Lady's Illustrated Primer"

    1. Re:life imitating art? by Hecatonchires · · Score: 1

      Where's _my_ diamond age. And flying car. And jetpack. And singularity

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  11. A momumental advance by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    finally, CS majors don't have to wait until they're back from class and safely in their parents' basement before jacking off to animes

  12. I've read it... by Smidge207 · · Score: 2, Informative

    ...and it *is* a nice intro book for anyone that is new to databases and wants a DIFFERENT way of learning the basics. The key word here is different and in this case I am not sure if that is a good thing or not. The Manga guides take concepts and present them in a cutesy anime way. I feel that the approach probably works well in Japan but I am not sure how much of a market there is for this in the USA. There are other books that teach subjects in a different way such as the 'Head First' line. I guess this is one of those cases where you dilute the market with a whole bunch of different ways to get concepts out to people and some stick better than others. This book certainly presents the ideas that you would want any database newbie to know but its a very select group.

    If you are into manga/anime and are a computer person this is probably right up your alley. The writing is good and the artwork is very good. My only concern is I don't know if there is enough of a client base long term.

    =Smidge=

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    1. Re:I've read it... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Um. How many of the people replying skeptically to this review are guys? It's quite possible that they are not the target audience for this book. A lot of the women in the IT industry tend to be more on the business analysis side, and yet they still need an understanding of data modeling and relational concepts. If this approach helps them understand those concepts and produce better requirements that can be more easily implemented, that's a good thing. In addition, if this book and others like it get more women interested in Computer Science by diminishing the geeky aspect of the subject in their eyes and making it more female friendly, that's a good thing.

    2. Re:I've read it... by moniker · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I guess this is one of those cases where you dilute the market with a whole bunch of different ways to get concepts out to people and some stick better than others.

      You nailed it. The important thing isn't how silly you might look, but whether or not the student gets the concepts.

      One of my students in my intro class where I've used this book (briefly) is failing her other classes and has a learning disability, but is getting an 'A' in my class and is excited about working on extra credit (some data modeling problem solving) that she doesn't even need.

      Today, in class, I talked about how the intro skills they have learned in Access scale up, and passed around Oracle books on SQL, PL/SQL, OAS Reports, and was pleasantly surprised when the students actually spent time looking through the books. (The books were Oracle only because that is my background and graduate focus.)

    3. Re:I've read it... by PCM2 · · Score: 1

      I guess this is one of those cases where you dilute the market with a whole bunch of different ways to get concepts out to people and some stick better than others.

      That sounds more like legitimately expanding the market. Diluting the market is where you pump out a whole bunch of "bibles" and books on the same subject, all of them getting the concepts out to people in pretty much the same way.

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  13. Other guides by Zarhan · · Score: 2, Informative

    I have always liked Britney Spears' guide to semiconductor physics.

    I especially like the illustration on conduction and valence bands.

    1. Re:Other guides by Tablizer · · Score: 1

      "Lip-glossary of Semiconductor Terms"....cute, Marie, real cute.

  14. I'll wait... by Jah-Wren+Ryel · · Score: 1

    I'm going to hold out for the fan-service edition.

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    1. Re:I'll wait... by BlueKitties · · Score: 0, Troll

      Agree'd. I want to see some action between the girl with the green dress and her fairy sisters. It's only a matter of time before \b\ produces.

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  15. Re:Manga fans creep me out by rob1980 · · Score: 1

    ?!

    hido~i! ~_~;

  16. Antagonist by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    And then the eeeVVviiLL project manager locked away his db administrator in a cubicle and condemned him to managing ecommerce and exchange servers for the rest of his life.

  17. Re:Wow. by eln · · Score: 5, Funny

    I think you're being harsh. I look forward to seeing how they relate being raped by a giant tentacle monster to enforcing referential integrity. It seems like a fairly obvious analogue to me, but to others it might provide some insight.

  18. could've been better by WarlockSquire · · Score: 1

    Rumiko Takahashi should have done the chapter on port binding and security...

    1. Re:could've been better by vertinox · · Score: 1

      Why not Major Kusanagi?

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      -Sigismund, Holy Roman Emperor (1368-1437)
    2. Re:could've been better by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If InuYasha was anything to go by, it would just end up in an infinite loop.

    3. Re:could've been better by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Inuyasha was filmed at Apple's headquarters?!

    4. Re:could've been better by Hecatonchires · · Score: 1

      Why not Major Kusanagi?

      Because Rumiko Takahashi is an author/artist, and Major Kusanagi is a character.

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      Yay me!

  19. I Swear It's a Dupe by Eli+Gottlieb · · Score: 1

    Seriously, I think we see this on Slashdot at least once a year. Or at least, we definitely see a lame Manga Guide to SOMETHING once a year.

    1. Re:I Swear It's a Dupe by VeNoM0619 · · Score: 1

      I thought so too, but apparently it was Manga guide to Statistics Either way, didn't RTFS. I like anime TV, but couldn't be bothered with reading.

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      But we can be treated equal.
  20. Traditional manga? by hansamurai · · Score: 1

    Do you read this book from right to left like a traditional Japanese manga?

    1. Re:Traditional manga? by moniker · · Score: 2, Informative

      No, see the sample below. I own the book and use a couple of pages in my intro to database class as a review.

      http://www.tinker.tv/download/databases_ch2.pdf

  21. If I were teaching [...] college students by Culture20 · · Score: 1

    If I were teaching teenagers or even lower class college students, I wouldn't hesitate to build a class around this book.

    I couldn't finish the first few sentences of the summary. Your evil plans have failed due to my failure to read your evil plans. I would never subject college students of any caliber to manga no matter the subject (check that; I suppose study of Japanese might merit use of manga, with visual elements tied so closely to written elements).

    1. Re:If I were teaching [...] college students by What+Is+Dot · · Score: 1

      In the past, I never really paid much attention to comics and manga. I saw them as childish. It wasn't until after after I read Scott McCloud's book "Understanding Comics," that I began to take the medium seriously.

      Today, I am wondering why all educational books are NOT presenting their material in this manner. That being said, this "manga" guide to databases is an example of a good idea implemented poorly. Instead of creating a fluffed up story line to camouflage the fact that readers are learning, they should instead have a narrator presenting the material to the reader, much in the same way McCloud presented the history of sequential pictures as a means of communication.

      The goal of all textbooks should be the communication of information in the most efficient way possible, but the idea that including as many graphics and visual elements as possible will continued to be frowned upon as long as it is regarded as "childish" or "dumbing down the material."

  22. all hope is lost by BigJClark · · Score: 0, Flamebait


    SELECT count(1) FROM book_collection WHERE book_type = 'DORK' AND book_summary like '%childish%';
    One Row Returned.

    I am seriously suspect of demographic this book is attempting to sell to. I shall put on my list of questions to potential hiree's; have you read this book?

    If the answer is yes, it's an automatic no for the job.

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    Hi, I Boris. Hear fix bear, yes?
    1. Re:all hope is lost by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If the answer is yes, it's an automatic no for the job.

      It's ok, nobody's going to want to work for an asshole like you, anyway.

      By the way, you shouldn't put apostrophes in plurals. The phrase you're looking for is "potential employees". I wouldn't hire you because your grammar is awful.

    2. Re:all hope is lost by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
    3. Re:all hope is lost by Shadow+Wrought · · Score: 1

      I am seriously suspect of demographic this book is attempting to sell to. I shall put on my list of questions to potential hiree's; have you read this book?

      If the answer is yes, it's an automatic no for the job.

      If that's how you make your hiring decisions I think most folks are going to be better off not getting the job. I'd think, "Can you do the job well?" would be of far more importance to answer.

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    4. Re:all hope is lost by BigJClark · · Score: 1


      DBMS is serious business, and best when it is not learned from a kindergarten book. 'Can you do the job well', is the most loaded question ever; who would ever answer no? I usually ask what technical books the prospective person is currently reading anyways, and typically, good DBA's tend to read good books, not introductory guides written in crayons.

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      Hi, I Boris. Hear fix bear, yes?
    5. Re:all hope is lost by Atzanteol · · Score: 1

      I am seriously suspect of demographic this book is attempting to sell to. I shall put on my list of questions to potential hiree's; have you read this book? If the answer is yes, it's an automatic no for the job.

      That would be great for both sides. I'm sure somebody with a sense of humor wouldn't want to work for an up-tight asshole.

      --
      "Ignorance more frequently begets confidence than does knowledge"

      - Charles Darwin
    6. Re:all hope is lost by Shadow+Wrought · · Score: 1

      What books someone is reading is not necessarily an indicator of how well they can do the job. Maybe they're reading all those big important books because they don't fully grasp the job? Maybe there are DBA's out there who grok it well enough, and enjoy it well enough, that they appreciate a different way of explaining it. To be honest, it sounds like you are less interested in hiring the best person you can so much as hiring someone who thinks the same way you do.

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      If brevity is the soul of wit, then how does one explain Twitter?
    7. Re:all hope is lost by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      First of all, you would have to be a moron to actually ask someone "Can you do the job well?". You would ask them questions about what they would do in certain situations, and then figure out from their answers whether they would do a good job.

      Second of all, this is an INTRODUCTORY BOOK. What the hell kind of person would apply for a job to be a DATABASE ADMINISTRATOR, having read only an INTRODUCTORY BOOK. And having read some other computer books (not having to do with DB, but still) the only difference in the examples in this book and those books is that these have pictures. Generally, the examples are equally silly.

    8. Re:all hope is lost by BigJClark · · Score: 1


      Awesome. I make a serious post, and just because it doesn't fall in line with the rest of the sheeple, I get modded flamebait. Democracy in action.

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      Hi, I Boris. Hear fix bear, yes?
  23. Just what I was waiting for by discord5 · · Score: 5, Funny

    If you are like me and learned things like normalization and set operations from a rather dry text book, you may be quite entertained by the contents of this book.

    I'm sorry, but SQL should be taught dry, no lube and no sedative. Anything else would be blasphemous or at least disturb the natural order of things.

    In all seriousness though, if you need this medium to make databases interesting for the reader, you're probably pandering to the wrong crowd. Anyone who needs to learn SQL will probably get a less childish book. Teenagers (and certainly college students) will buy this for the few laughs they get out of it, and that's about all the novelty you'll get out of it.

    I personally can't wait for the "Manga guide to Systems Administration" where princess Ruruna is faced with her arch nemesis The User. I hear in chapter 3 she opens up her box to replace defective parts. In chapter 15 she learns about security and discovers evil hackers have exploited her badly configured server. 2 chapters later it happens again but then she learns about a strange magic called firewalling.

    Other guides I'd love to read:

    • Manga guide to Assembly: Princess Ruruna just can't get her code to run fast enough, so she takes a journey to the magical land of Registra and learns how to tighten those loops
    • Manga guide to Network Administration: Princess Ruruna has a hard time running around the office with a USB stick until she discovers switches and routers.
    • Manga guide to BOFH: Tired of it all, Princess Ruruna starts reading The Users email. When The User complains about the lack of diskspace, she decided to delete all his data.
    • Manga guide to LISP: Princess Ruruna inherits her fathers kingdom and parenthesis. Crazy adventures ensue
    • Manga guide to Recursive Programming: By far the most artistic book of them all, princess Ruruna decides to draw herself drawing a picture of herself drawing a picture of herself drawing a picture of herself drawing a picture of herself drawing a picture of herself drawing ...
    1. Re:Just what I was waiting for by Tablizer · · Score: 1

      You forgot one: "Manga guide to JCL".
           

    2. Re:Just what I was waiting for by QuoteMstr · · Score: 1

      Neon Genesis Evangelion was particularly useful for learning JCL. The last few episodes were particularly relevant.

    3. Re:Just what I was waiting for by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      • Manga guide to Recursive Programming: By far the most artistic book of them all, princess Ruruna decides to draw herself drawing a picture of herself drawing a picture of herself drawing a picture of herself drawing a picture of herself drawing a picture of herself drawing ...

      Oh I remember that one. She got caught in a loop and went unreponsive to pings and had to be shut down hard. I think she learned how to use ulimit after that, and to make sure she included a reduction step...

    4. Re:Just what I was waiting for by discord5 · · Score: 1

      I think she learned how to use ulimit after that, and to make sure she included a reduction step...

      Gee, thanks for spoiling the ending.

    5. Re:Just what I was waiting for by Eil · · Score: 1

      In all seriousness though, if you need this medium to make databases interesting for the reader, you're probably pandering to the wrong crowd.

      It's never a waste of time to present technical material in an easier-to-digest format. Just because you can present technical information in the most terse and dry format possible doesn't mean you always should. Information doesn't care how it's transferred. What's most important is that it gets to the brain from the media (be it a book, screen, MP3 player, or whatever). There is loads of stuff that I would love to learn if it didn't mean wading through 4 years of college or 1000-page tomes.

      My wife is administrative assistant at a law school. She has little in the way of technical aptitude beyond the minimum she needs to know in order to do her job. One day she was prattling on about the incompetence of the I.T. staff there when she mentioned that she was pretty much the go-to girl in the department for this thing on the computer called "sequel". With a little prodding, I eventually figured out that she was talking about SQL. There was a database application that the school had custom-designed at great cost but of course it was completely unusable by the people who had to actually use it. Its only saving grace was that you could add information and produce reports by entering in raw SQL queries. So that's what they did and over time, my wife got rather good at it. Technically speaking, she probably knows more SQL than I do, and I write trivial web apps in my spare time.

      Putting aside for a moment the fact that her co-workers probably shouldn't have to deal with such an awful database program in the first place, if they really needed to learn SQL, this guide (or something like it) would certainly help them in ways that a dry technical manual never could.

    6. Re:Just what I was waiting for by Hecatonchires · · Score: 1

      "And I'd like to thank my parents, for being there for me." -- What no character from EVA would ever say at an awards night

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      Yay me!

    7. Re:Just what I was waiting for by adavies42 · · Score: 1

      this is starting to sound like A Young Lady's Illustrated Primer....

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    8. Re:Just what I was waiting for by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Careful what you wish for- The Manga Guide to Systems Administration

      A search on amazon pulls up over 300 Manga de Wakaru (Understand with Manga) books, we could be seeing a lot more of these here soon.

  24. I have to ask... by amicusNYCL · · Score: 1

    If the only way you can learn a technical subject like databases is to have it presented in a cutesy comic book format, well, should you really be going after a technical skill set?

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    1. Re:I have to ask... by DaveV1.0 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Why not? In this age of ADD, ADHD, and general low attention span, this might be the ONLY way for someone to learn a dry subject.

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    2. Re:I have to ask... by amicusNYCL · · Score: 1

      Well that's my point, if the only way for someone to learn a dry subject is like this, then they probably shouldn't be doing that for a living. If you're going to make a living designing and maintaining databases, or software that uses databases, you're really going to need to understand things that are presented in a technical matter, your success will depend on it. API documentation especially is certainly not presented in a graphical fashion with cartoon characters to lead you through it. If that's the only way you can learn it, then you're simply not going to be successful at your job.

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      "Our two-party system is like a bowl of shit looking at itself in a mirror." - Lewis Black
    3. Re:I have to ask... by antifoidulus · · Score: 1

      Your point is valid, but you are missing the bigger picture. There are tons of people who need to know more about databases other than its a place where data is stored, but still do not need to get into the nitty-gritty details because they aren't DBAs by profession. I do some basic DB work as part of being an application developer, and it's important to understand database concepts and db performance, but its certainly not imperative that I learn everything there is to know about databases.

      Not to mention the time constraints, if I can flip through a book like this and get the basic picture, it can save me massive amounts of time vs. slogging through massive amounts of technical documents, and will be more memorable to boot. By drilling down the basic concepts, I can quickly google the specifics I need to know and be more apt to understand what I read.

    4. Re:I have to ask... by DaveV1.0 · · Score: 1

      If you're going to make a living designing and maintaining databases, or software that uses databases, you're really going to need to understand things that are presented in a technical matter, your success will depend on it.

      That may be, but that is not the target audience of this book. This book is geared towards people who are just beginning to learn about databases. Because it is manga, it is targeted at a younger audience. I wouldn't give this to the guy in the next cubicle. But, I might give it to my 15yo nephew. Or, the 18 or 20yo who needs to know about an RDBMS is for her business/marketing course. Or, my 28yo xgf who loves manga and doesn't know much about computers and databases but may want/need to learn.

      If someone is going to do as you describe, they may get their start with this book and then go on to other, more technical books.

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    5. Re:I have to ask... by falconwolf · · Score: 1

      If the only way you can learn a technical subject like databases is to have it presented in a cutesy comic book format, well, should you really be going after a technical skill set?

      Why not use it if it works? Not everyone learns the same way.

      Falcon

  25. Just use logic by Microsift · · Score: 1

    All Manga readers are nerds
    x_IamSpartacus_x is a nerd
    x_IamSpartacus_x reads Manga

    The third statement doesn't follow from the first two.

    But this is completely valid

    All Manga readers are nerds
    x_IamSpartacus_x reads Manga
    x_IamSpartacus_x is a nerd

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    1. Re:Just use logic by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I call Occam's Razor:

      x_IamSpartacus_x reads
      x_IamSpartacus_x is a nerd

  26. Better than the other option by DoofusOfDeath · · Score: 4, Funny

    This book sounds like a way better option than the book I bought last week, "The Hentai Guide to Microsoft SQL Server."

    1. Re:Better than the other option by grassy_knoll · · Score: 1

      Which one was a worse experience... getting the tentacle or dealing with SQL Server?

      I kid, I kid...

    2. Re:Better than the other option by DoofusOfDeath · · Score: 1

      Actually, while I am a serious Microsoft hater, I used to have to develop for and administrate SQL Server, and I actually really enjoyed it. At least back around 2002 (I can't speak to anything more recent) it was a very solid product, and I found it to be much more polished than Oracle or DB/2.

    3. Re:Better than the other option by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Wrong. Although those pictures of Bill are disturbing enough, he was dressed more or less properly when they were taken. For the real thing just go to http://www.reynholm.co.uk/profile.php and mouse over Douglas' photo.

    4. Re:Better than the other option by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Clearly, why would you want any involvement with Microsoft's SQL?

  27. I have to say I just dont get Manga by Phrogman · · Score: 1

    The apparent attractiveness of substandard quality generally sexist drawings just doesn't do it for me, and I can't honestly see what people like about this style of comics. Its not that they are comics, because overall I like a good graphic novel etc, but the actual style of the drawings which is just plain unappealing. I don't know anyone in real life with eyeballs the size of a tennis ball, who always flashes her panties at me and has a completely pointed chin, nor why anyone would want to see that again and again. Every Manga character seems to look like every other one essentially.

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    1. Re:I have to say I just dont get Manga by DaveV1.0 · · Score: 1

      In other words, you don't like it. Well, it is a matter of personal preference and taste. I am sure every woman you know has perky DD tits with a 24in waist and 34in hips.

      Or, to put it more succinctly "Opinions are like assholes, everyone has one and they all stink."

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    2. Re:I have to say I just dont get Manga by sesshomaru · · Score: 1

      Ok, I have to make a point here. Manga isn't a "style." A manga is just a comic book from Japan. They all have different styles. Before you object, I'll say, yes I know what you mean by Manga-style, Rumiko Takahashi type characters, big eyes small mouth. That is a popular manga style, but considering the sheer volume of manga which are produced, it is hardly the only style.

      In some manga characters are drawn in a realistic style, in others they are drawn in a different type of surrealist style. Depends on the artist. Don't imagine Manga artists never look at American comic books for inspiration, that would be a mistake. With a huge number manga artists vying for recognition in Japan, they've got to vary their styles to stand out from the crowd.

      Besides which, they tend to put comic books from different traditions, that come from places like Korea in with the manga so as not to "confuse" the American audience.

      The truth is, a lot of manga doesn't make it over here because it doesn't have an audience, or isn't believed to. So, the limited amount that comes over tends to be somewhat similar.

      In the US comic books are a much smaller market than manga are in Japan. This is due to the efforts of the Senate Subcommittee on Juvenile Delinquency in the 1950's. Never forget! We should burn Frederick Wertham in effigy every year as a reminder. American comics were deliberately damaged by the Federal government with malice aforethought. That's why the excellence of the early days of American comics sometimes seems elusive.

      Nothing like that happened in Japan, so there is a large diversity of subject matter not found in American sequential art (yes, I know about the outliers. Heck, I subscribed to Doom Patrol during Grant Morrison's run, I buy The Goon and Astro City pretty regularly (when there is new product available). Yet, even those excellent comics I've cited are mostly capes and masks. Except The Goon really... Put it this way, you won't find a story about the trials and tribulations of a shut in, or a detailed study of a rivalry between wine connoisseurs in an American comic, generally speaking... unless it turns out that Batman and the Riddler are wine connoisseurs that is...

      Batman is really cool of course, but some of his lesser known bretheren and sisteren (often it seems especially the sisteren) are often not...

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      "MIT betrayed all of its basic principles."
    3. Re:I have to say I just dont get Manga by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Censorship bad, and the hearings from the 50's do look pretty silly now, but the U.S. comic book industry really shot themselves in the foot by selling kids mail-order whips and switchblades on the last page. That really seems to be the last little thing about comic books that caused parents to truly turn against them.

      Also interesting, before the 50's, the states had something similar to what USians call "hentai", and a lot of artists worked in both the superhero comics and the pulpy s&m comics.

    4. Re:I have to say I just dont get Manga by Sasayaki · · Score: 1
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  28. Devious by Ragzouken · · Score: 1

    Finally an answer to the question 'how do we motivate the unwashed masses to educate themselves?'.

    1. Re:Devious by Locke2005 · · Score: 1

      how do we motivate the unwashed masses to educate themselves?
      Most men have known for a long time that "boobies" was the answer to that question.

      --
      I've abandoned my search for truth; now I'm just looking for some useful delusions.
  29. Slashdotting at its Worst. by micronicos · · Score: 1, Insightful

    No - not the article, which was excellent.

    No - nor on the book - which is merely continuing a tradition of excellence in graphical education quite usual in Japan but sadly lacking elsewhere.

    No - this is the /. contingent of commentators being 'funny' about foreign(er) ideas - because WE invented the internet and Cobb was an American and no darn .....

    Well - you get the gist.

    VERY disappointed, makes me wonder whether to stop /. watching - there are many other good tech sites with a lot less bias and a lot less jingoism to wade through.

    --
    Nico M, London, GB.
    1. Re:Slashdotting at its Worst. by StevisF · · Score: 1

      I feel your pain and I was also quite disappointed by this thread, though this reaction is not uncommon. I get similar, but less juvenile reactions in real life when I try to talk to people about anime. Illustrated books and animation have been pretty much exclusively been marketed to children in the US (as well as many other parts of the world) and lots of people can't get past that.

  30. Wait, let me get this straight... by Suzuran · · Score: 3, Funny

    So now my DBA can be EVEN MORE disconnected from reality?

    1. Re:Wait, let me get this straight... by Hecatonchires · · Score: 1

      Yes. And you thought he needed another diskshelf for the SAN because the prod database was large. Wait till you see how many versions of the Naruto scans he has.

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      Yay me!

    2. Re:Wait, let me get this straight... by Suzuran · · Score: 1

      So THAT'S where all that bandwidth was going!
      I could forgive him if it was porn, but THIS...

  31. Obvious choice of DB by Lars+T. · · Score: 0

    KawaiiSQL

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  32. Yotsuba's guide to cardboard robots by Bushido+Hacks · · Score: 1

    Manga seems to be a very crash-course way of expressing concepts lately, but it is certainly no substitute for reading regular books. As much as I would like to tear through a regular book as quickly as a manga book, it just doesn't see right.

    While I applaud the authors efforts to bring such a complex concept down to storybook level, I don't think the Western World is ready for manga guide books just yet. On the other hand, I do like the fact that they cover not just Databases, but Physics, Calculus, Statistics, and Electricity in other book in their series. Perhaps younger readers will find these books of interest and become enamorated with learned about advanced concepts. (Think the 13-15 y.o. crowd.)

    For good measure however, books on Aritmetic, Geometry, and Algebra should be a must read for all ages since there are people in College who don't know how to add without a caluclator. (To the authors, here's an idea for the plot of a future book: The protagonist must learn how to do math mentally without an electronic device!)

    But why not have some fun in the process. Robots are a common theme in manga. Why not write a book on how to build them? Even the guys at Time Life who publish the This Old House series of books never touched a topic like that. On the other hand, who wanted to see Bob Vila with blue hair? :D

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  33. next week by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    the hentai guide do penetration testing

  34. Nigerian Prince Returns by Tablizer · · Score: 2, Funny

    Her parents, the King and Queen, have left to travel abroad. Ruruna has been left to manage the nations fruit business. Much is at stake...

    They lifted this from a Nigerian Prince scam. Seen variations of it a hundred times in my spam box. Finally, a way for Nigerian scammers to get legitimate funds (royalty payments).

  35. Teaching Through Stories by PingPongBoy · · Score: 1

    Learning from a story could be fun, but stories should involve real situations, not just define terminology. So there could be episodes like Cherry Picker Server Smashup where the cherry picker truck has run into the office wall and crushed the server, and the princess needs to rebuild the database. Lessons can be taught through stressful mistakes like a Bank Bust episode where duplicate payroll records cause multiple cheques to be issued to employees.

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  36. Runicible by KTheorem · · Score: 1

    This reminds me quite a bit of A Young Lady's Illustrated Primer. Teaching through adventure stories sounds like a good idea for just about any subject, as long as you can make it fun and interesting.

  37. Not suitable for small children! by Locke2005 · · Score: 2, Funny

    Princess Ruruna starts out trying to use MS Access, but after being tentacle-raped by it, she switches to MySQL.

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    I've abandoned my search for truth; now I'm just looking for some useful delusions.
  38. Hentai guide to databases by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Princess Ruruna beautiful code was abducted by tentacled project leader Spaghettius, who did unspeakable thing to it all night. Next morning code turned into sado-masochistic bitch and was quiering only for sex.

  39. Doesn't look like any manga that I've seen by J.+J.+Ramsey · · Score: 1

    I haven't seen that much manga, but what I've happened to read (a little Guyver and Blade of the Immortal, and the Planetes series) has had little to do with cute princesses. Where do people get this idea that manga is about a few particular things when it's a medium used to tell stories in a wide range of genres?

  40. You first! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    INSERT INTO Rob1980
    VALUES (4,'barbed-tentacle','jizz','brain','sqlfordummies')

  41. cool book by zyberteq · · Score: 1

    I got this book for my birthday, it's awesome :D

  42. This book is cursed by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Posession of it will seal the fate of the victim forever: virginity.

  43. Manga? by stewbacca · · Score: 0

    I recently went into a Borders bookstore and they had dismantled their entire two aisles of Manga. It was not even a year ago when I was trying to figure out what in the hell Manga even was. Seems this fad has come and gone faster than the Harry Potter trading card game (anyone remember that one?)

  44. Joins by shutdown+-p+now · · Score: 1

    All the SQL is ANSI standard. (Except for one exception, joins, which I'll discuss later.) ...
    The only change I would make is that joins are done in the old style as a part of the where clause.

    Old-style joins are still ANSI SQL. Yes, JOIN is often called the "ANSI join", but that doesn't mean it's the only one, merely that it's something new that the ANSI standard introduced.

    1. Re:Joins by stoolpigeon · · Score: 1

      I don't really like saying old style and new style joins - but in most discussions old style vs. ansi seems to communicate what I mean very well. And it sounds like you got it too - so yes you are correct but the way I use it works so I'll stick with it.

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      It's hard to believe that's how Micronians are made. Why don't we see it right now by having you both kiss one another?
  45. Not newest Database book out there... by synthmob · · Score: 1

    This has been out since October 2008... maybe the author just finished reading it finally?

    1. Re:Not newest Database book out there... by stoolpigeon · · Score: 1

      I'm pretty sure it was more like January of this year. I don't think I got my copy until February. So yeah - I've still had it for a bit but not as long as you think.

      I've got a family, job, etc. So sometimes the reading and reviewing hobby has to take a back seat. If you've read something good that is more recent I recommend writing up a review and submitting it. It's fun.

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      It's hard to believe that's how Micronians are made. Why don't we see it right now by having you both kiss one another?
  46. After reading this manga, you find out by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The princess really IS in the other castle.

  47. We need Escher, stat! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    > Manga guide to Recursive Programming: By far the most artistic book of them all, princess Ruruna decides to draw herself drawing a picture of herself drawing a picture of herself drawing a picture of herself drawing a picture of herself drawing a picture of herself drawing ...

    Quick! Call M.C. Escher!

    1. Re:We need Escher, stat! by adavies42 · · Score: 1

      word-based palindrome: escher, drawing hands, drew hands drawing escher

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  48. Britney Spears' guide to semiconductor physics by falconwolf · · Score: 1

    It wouldn't be the first tyme. Rock star Brian May of the rock band Queen, he wrote "We Will Rock You", was studying astrophysics.

    Falcon

  49. Been to a con? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Been to an anime con? All non-nerds are scared off!

  50. Hackett and Bankwell - The Linux Comic by micronicos · · Score: 1

    Anyone want to review this?

              http://www.hackettandbankwell.com/about

    "Hackett and Bankwell is an educational comic/cartoon manual designed to teach the finer points of the GNU Linux platform using Ubuntu."

    Free downloads as .pdf e-book (issues 1 & 2).

              http://www.intarwebz.com/hackett-and-bankwell-1-free-pdf-ebook-version-11/

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    Nico M, London, GB.
  51. Riai by egork · · Score: 1

    In all seriousness though, if you need this medium to make databases interesting for the reader, you're probably pandering to the wrong crowd. Anyone who needs to learn SQL will probably get a less childish book.

    I would respectfully disagree. There is a word in japanese - smth. like "riai". It means so much as the basic, profound idea of the thing. If one can formulate these basic ideas in a way accessible to a rookie, this could be a real good start into a field. This depends from the learning style of the person, of course.
    Also the format of "graphics, less text" forces the authors to think what information they really need to put forward and drop the explanation of explanation.

    When learning about SQL myself, I have missed this high level "so what" in the books. Now I am a professional in database research business, so I know a bit or two about SQL :-). When I explain SQL to the newbies, I do not talk volumes, but rather manga. It seems to work out well.

  52. Gimme a break by gzipped_tar · · Score: 1

    I'm coding a Berkeley DB application in an MPI environment like crazy. I have a horde of tabs open for the DB manual open and I'm running out of coffee..

    Wake me up when they come up with "Manga Guide to Berkeley DB". I'll buy one. ;)

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  53. What? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The reviewer wouldn't hesitate to build a RDBMS college course around a book that only teaches inner joins in older syntax... because it's more fun? Maybe some Dr Seuss for the English department or Zunes for all music majors?

    I've thumbed through this book a couple times. If you're in to manga and kinda almost sorta in to databases, maybe you'll fall into the specific niche this book targets but if you actually want to learn something, spend your money smartly on a far more complete, albeit less fun, book.

  54. This could work. by Rysc · · Score: 1

    I envision a manga series in which everyone is obsessed with databases and SQL queries, in the style of (say) Hikaru no Go. The part that's hard to decide is where to take the plot: Defeat a giant mega-corporation by selecting the right datasets at the right time? Find love with carefully crafted nested selects? Fight invading aliens? Cast spells? It hardly matters, it would be fun.

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