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Backlash Builds Against US Copyright Blacklist

An anonymous reader writes "The release last week of the US copyright blacklist is beginning to generate a backlash in countries around the world. Reports from Canada, Europe, and Asia all note that the US claims are very suspect and that the report is little more than an attempt to bully dozens of countries into following the US DMCA model."

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  1. Nothing new by gcnaddict · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Nothing to see here, folks. Move right along.

    Seriously, there's nothing here. Countries will always try to vilify other countries in order to satisfy their own interests. The Axis of Evil is a pretty good example.

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  2. SURPRISE!! by infalliable · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I do not think there is anything surprising about that conclusion that the entire thing is an attempt to force other countries into "compliance"

    1. Re:SURPRISE!! by davester666 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      This is just a leapfrogging game the multinational copyright holders are playing. They get one country to increase copyright law from X to Y, then scream that other countries are lagging behind, so those countries look at revising their copyright laws, initially just to Y, but since they're look at it, the multinational copyright holders push for increasing the law to Z. Now they behind screaming that the first country is 'behind' in protecting their 'rights'. Repeat until they have all the money.

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    2. Re:SURPRISE!! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Yes, I hear that air superiority went quite well for you at Pearl Harbour in World War II and in Vietnam where you were sent running with your tail between your legs after suffering thousands of casualties. Very successful in Korea too I notice, I mean, North Korea is a nice friendly nation now thanks to America's success their right? What about Somalia too in the 90s, that went really well right? Or wait, you were sent running their too.

      How's that air superiority going in Afghanistan and Iraq by the way where your soldiers get slaughtered by men in cloth dresses with rifles that are about 35 years old and about as accurate as a blind man with a water pistol? I hear your air superiority worked great over New York on 9/11 also!

      It's funny, because when it comes to wars, the US hasn't really actually won that many in the last century. About all it's won was the Pacific campaign of World War II but even that was only because the Russians covered it's arse in defeating Germany and because it had vast amounts of allied support to the West of Japan in China and from the South from Australia etc.

      In fact, what wars has the US won by itself in the last century? I'm not sure it's actually won any, even in the first Iraq war it needed massive amounts of allied support. That's a stark contrast to European nations like say, Britain that unilaterally sent the Argentinians running back home in the Falklands for example.

      The US has far and away the biggest military in the world, but it can't win wars because it doesn't have a single general capable of anything loosely resembling tactics and because it's soldiers can't fight for shit. That's before you even get started on their poor engineering abilities in the field and their inability to win the required hearts and minds of the civilian population which has time and time again left them running from the battlefield with many dead and their tails between their legs.

      The problem is, the only thing Americans ever manage to actually shoot are each other or their allies.

    3. Re:SURPRISE!! by malkavian · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Repeat until they have all the money.

      Nope, repeat until people realise that the corporates have been stealing from them (theft of the public domain), and come to the conclusion that Copyright Law is now no longer a deal that the people are willing to enter into, and thus just take back by rampant piracy. At which point copyright laws are completely useless and unenforceable as you've just criminalised most of your population, which is pretty much a yardstick of a bad and unworkable law.

    4. Re:SURPRISE!! by phulegart · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Wow.

      I'm to blame for the presidents I did not elect.
      I'm to blame for the wars I did not fight in.
      I'm to blame for the economic policies I disagree with.
      I'm to blame for the economic expansionism I don't want to be happening.
      I'm to blame for the Military Industrial Complex that Eisenhower warned my grandparents and parents about.
      I'm to blame for most of the wealth being in the hands of the smallest population demographic.
      I'm to blame?
      I'm an Average American.

      I don't like the way things are. I believe that we proved once before that it took a Revolution to attempt to make things right, and that is what it is going to take to make it right again. Of course, what was a good idea to start with, is now a set of rules that are argued to be needed, just because they are there. Sometimes it is incredible how ardently a rule is argued to be needed, and the strength of the argument is based on how OLD the rule is.

      The 2nd Amendment (IE a change to that Constitution so many people wave around and say should not be changed) protects the people with the right to bear arms crap. I'm sorry. That Amendment was put in when there was no police force, no army, a need to shoot your dinner before you ate it, and an occasional need to shoot the indigenous people when they got upset at our invasion. Thus, the need to protect every citizen's right to keep and bear arms. Times have changed. We don't need the 2nd amendment any more.

      The 16 amendment brings taxes into bear. We started the country because we were being taxed without being represented. This is why there was no Income Tax before the 16th amendment. Now, once again, we are not being represented for our taxes. That means there is legal precedent to support a revolution.

      The 18th amendment dealt with prohibition. Taking away Alcohol from the people. The 21st amendment proved that NONE of these amendments are sacred, and any or all could be repealed... in the repealing of the 18th amendment.

      Did you know that with a cell phone, every citizen could now potentially vote on every issue? This means we do not even NEED a Congress anymore. The creation of our Constitutional Republic here (it's not a democracy) was done because at the time it was impossible for each Citizen to represent himself (women couldn't vote then). Now, this is not the case. It IS possible for each citizen to represent him or herself, and vote. I'm not saying it WOULD work immediately, I am saying that it is POSSIBLE now. Does this mean that Congress will be dissolved? Absolutely not.

      What I don't like, is how people outside the US of A blame me. I'm held accountable for the actions of my government, when the ability to change my government was removed from my hands long before I was ever born. The only option I have available to me, is to join in a revolution. There would never be enough people to be able to make the changes necessary within the system. The Patriot act is already in place. Now, anyone who opposes the government enough, can be whisked away as a "terrorist". But it is still all MY FAULT! If I travel, I'll get shit on, because I'm an American. That pisses me off. Not because my government is great, but because the person giving me shit (aka, the parent I am replying to) is too fucking stupid to see that the problems my government is causing, have nothing to do with me. I am not making policy, I am not enforcing policy. I am not even agreeing with policy. But if I speak up, I get ignored. If I get too loud to ignore, I'll be put away.

      You do not blame the cashier at the corner store, if the potato chips are stale (or just taste bad). You do not blame the cashier at the corner store if the "thing" you just bought there breaks. People still do though. People are ignorant, and they lash out at the most available target. The easier the target is to hit, the more likely they will try to hit it. it gives them some satisfaction knowing they had a person and a face to vent at, and they never stop to

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    5. Re:SURPRISE!! by n00btastic · · Score: 1, Insightful

      Thank you for investing the effort in explaining this.

      I spent a year overseas and I had to tell everyone I was a Canadian until I got to know them. When I was in Europe, that didn't work so well, so I just had to memorized a speech such as yours and got on my knees to grovel.

      I understood everyone's aggression, but the rest of the world needs to understand that many of us did fight. I've fought these wars the best I can since we invaded Iraq...but protest doesn't work when your government doesn't listen and the people are too comfortable.

      This economic crisis is uncomfortable, but it is what America needs. Pain develops character, and many of us just shrugged their head at the pain we caused, and just changed the channel. School may become to expensive for the majority of us, but this is a period of time that will leave an indelible mark on American society.

      People need to stop wanking. Complaining about how horrible our country is just goes to show that you are just as much at the mercy of your governments as we are. Who is the bigger fool, the fool, or the one who follows? The Patriot Act is nothing when you look at the UK.

      Stop complaining and do something, fight the system and stop changing the channel.

    6. Re:SURPRISE!! by an+unsound+mind · · Score: 3, Insightful

      The best trolls are two thirds truth and one part utter nonsense.

    7. Re:SURPRISE!! by bigstrat2003 · · Score: 1, Insightful

      I believe that we proved once before that it took a Revolution to attempt to make things right, and that is what it is going to take to make it right again.

      Times have changed. We don't need the 2nd amendment any more.

      A revolution without weapons... let me know how that goes for you.

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    8. Re:SURPRISE!! by dryeo · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Has there ever been a successful revolution with weapons? Even the Americans who like to brag about their revolution never got one shot off within 3000 miles of the capital, though they did succeed in separating. The French revolution led to a reign of terror. The first English revolution led to having a Lord Protector instead of a King. The Russian revolution led to the USSR.
      Most of the successful revolutions where the government was overthrown have been mostly non-violent, from the Glorious Revolution of the late 1600's (where the first Bill of Rights, 1689 came from) through to the overthrowing of the communists of eastern Europe.
       

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  3. Hm, wonder why by Darkness404 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Hm, I wonder why other countries don't want a DMCA style law, could it be that the DMCA is effectively killing the US software/hardware market? Why do we see so many (innovative and clone) products from China? Because they don't have the stupidities of US patent and copyright laws. Imagine the marketplace being flooded with choices, of phones that can do as much as the iPhone, yet cost hundreds less (unlocked of course) and including features not currently found in most phones (open hardware*, dual-sim slots, etc). The USA could easily be first in the technology market, if our lawmakers weren't in the pocketbooks of the RIAA, MPAA and other backwards lobby groups.

    *Well, perhaps open hardware is the wrong word, but basically hardware that if off-the-shelf, contains very little proprietary components and can be easily studied/modified.

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  4. Re:lies lies by commodore64_love · · Score: 4, Insightful

    >>>The USA bully another country? Never..

    New face in the highest office.

    Same old shit.

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  5. Does the US Get It Yet? by Dripdry · · Score: 5, Insightful

    We seem to continue operating under the false assumption that we are still the biggest dog on the block.
    After effectively skewering the financial system, starting a couple wars, and heaven knows what else we still expect to be taken so seriously.

    I recognize we still have the most bombs, but when or country acts like a petulant child it's still tough to be serious about it. It isn't leading the world, it isn't change. It's thinly veiled fascism.

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    1. Re:Does the US Get It Yet? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

      The US is a corporation states. We, the people, simply put, no longer fscking matter.

    2. Re:Does the US Get It Yet? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

      the encroachment of government into business

      No, you have that backwards. It's the encroachment of business into government that's the problem.

    3. Re:Does the US Get It Yet? by True+Grit · · Score: 3, Insightful

      War crimes committed by the Japanese armed forces do not justify war crimes committed by the US. It's a very bad road to travel.

      True. Unfortunately, I get the impression from the arguments about this that people alive today simply don't realize/remember what the true nature of WWII was. It was the first, and last, example of "industrialized total war". The nature of industrialization, and the fact that all the belligerents had shifted their entire economies to 100% war production, meant that the city populations became "valid" targets, in the reasoning of the time, because they were manning the factories producing war material, and "100% war production" meant all factories were involved in the war effort in some way, so they were all valid targets.

      By today's standards its a war crime, of course, but then again, today's standards didn't exist back then, and after 6-12 years of total war and industrial-scale mass slaughter, what is now considered unthinkable, was unfortunately seen merely as "routine" then. Nor did it help that other side had themselves already done these kinds of acts against us, earlier in the war.

      The only useful lesson to learn from this, is that any war that is allowed to go on for too long, will end up dehumanizing all of its belligerants, allowing them to do things they otherwise never would have considered, and the Isreali-Palestinian conflict is a prime example of this (with both sides routinely found guilty of war crimes and atrocities).

      With Russia entering the war against Japan, they were already going to surrender pretty soon and the US knew it.

      Actually, not only did we NOT know this for a fact, but neither did the Japanese. Emperor Hirohito did not actually act until immediately after August 9, when the 2nd bomb was dropped *and* the USSR declared war. 5 days later there was a coup by some in Japan's Army against their own Emperor which was an unthinkable act in their society at the time. So surrender, regardless of conditions, was clearly not agreed upon by all in Japan's elite, with extremists in their Army even prepared to take violent action against their own "divine" emperor, rather than surrender.

      That there were those among our leadership convinced that they would, just shows how little we understood the Japanese mindset, even after years of fighting them. The only thing we "knew" with any degree of certainty was that there were elements within Japan's elite ready to "talk about" surrender. Of course we knew in 1943 the exact same thing about Germany (opposition to Hitler, recognition that the war was lost, willingness to surrender), yet the war went on another 2 years...

      The US military casualty estimates were originally nowhere near the 1 million level. The figures were being inflated in an attempt to justify the atomic bombings.

      [citation needed]

      This claim has been made before, but without proof of intent. An equally (or more) plausible reason is that the estimates kept going up as we got intel back from Japan about how they were preparing their *entire* population to "fight to the death". Nor was this without its own supporting evidence, try reading about what US troops encountered during the Okinawa campaign, which had a large component of native Japanese civilians. The suicidal fanaticism exhibited by the Japanese only escalated during '44-'45, rather than decrease, clearly not an indication of a people ready to surrender, and in fact it looked increasingly to the US, as evidence that perhaps an invasion of their homeland would in fact be horrifically bloody for both sides.

      However, even if the casualty estimates were right, it still does not justify the bombings.

      Unfortunately, in the cruel calculus of total war, it made perfect sense, since the more casualties your country takes as the fighting drags on, the less *value* you see in the lives of the enemy. Sadly,

  6. Re:lies lies by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

    You'll get better mods if you also use a cultural reference.
    eg: The Who's: Won't Get Fooled Again.
        "Meet the new boss.... same as the old boss."

  7. Re:lies lies by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Insightful

    Speaking of deficit... Didn't your country owe our country billions of dollars in debt that we "forgave?"

    Steal your lunch money? Nah. Sanction your ass with military quarantines? Sounds good to me. What are you gonna do? Fight us? Bahahahahhahahahaha!

  8. Re:lies lies by thetoadwarrior · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Obama is proving that there is equality by making sure people realise that politicians of all colours pull the same old shit.

  9. Not happening any time soon by __aanmys7397 · · Score: 3, Insightful

    One of the reasons these countries are developing a good IT infrastructure is due to software piracy. Any student with the slightest interest can pick up any software whatsoever, be it Tally, Photoshop or MS Excel, and learn by themselves. And businesses obviously have cost benefits in using something for free. Why would a developing economy hamper it's businesses by forcing them to use original software? It might help the bigger companies, the ones who make the software, but will affect the small and medium sized businesses negatively. And in the end, the software companies that do get the benefit are American, and not local businesses.

  10. Blacklist? by dwm · · Score: 4, Insightful

    According to the original article, this is a routine annual report listing who we are happy with or unhappy with concerning copyright and such. There's also no mention of DMCA. Evidently, countries come and go off these lists all the time. It's just a way for the USA to communicate what it does and doesn't like about other countries behavior. It's called diplomacy. How does anyone get "blacklist" out of this?

    By the way, it mentions that North Korea was taken off the bad-boy list. Does anyone really think North Korea instituted a DMCA-like law?

  11. Re:lies lies by _KiTA_ · · Score: 3, Insightful

    >>>The USA bully another country? Never..

    New face in the highest office.

    Same old shit.

    Yes, because he has an innate knowledge of every single thing the government is doing at any given time... ... and there's no possible way this was in the pipe from the chucklehead that just left and just now finally hit the light of day...

  12. Re:I speak for all of Slashdot when I say... by Piata · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Artists definitely deserve their dues when it comes to creative artwork... but when their work generates revenue for 70+ years after it's creation for a corporation and not the artist, there's something seriously wrong.

  13. Re:Copyright issue is a scam by averner · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Very rarely does a librarian threaten to burn books, but it would be a better use of em that paying those publishing bastards another cent.

    Sounds like Ray Bradbury had it backwards, huh?

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  14. Re:lies lies by StikyPad · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Imagine what happens if #1 in the 1st link defaults on its debts.

    Ireland? Umm.. We stop celebrating St. Patrick's Day? I give up, what?

  15. Re:lies lies by shutdown+-p+now · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I think we all must be duped. When Obama said he was bringing change, he actually meant collecting spare change to help pay-off his burgeoning deficit, not that he was going to listen to the People.

    The mistake of many people dissing Obama now is that, when he said "change", they automatically presumed that it is going to involve their pet issues first. On Slashdot, this tends to be FOSS and copyright issues. In practice, though, when speaking of "People" as a whole, those issues aren't even on most people's radar, so it was pretty silly to believe that Obama would do something specifically about them.

  16. Re:lies lies by commodore64_love · · Score: 2, Insightful

    But if the government stops spending the money on the military, that will eventually free-up money that can be used for other useful projects.

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  17. Re:I speak for all of Slashdot when I say... by mjwx · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Sounds fantastic! Culture should stagnate and die just because leeches don't compensate the artists for their work!

    Yes, because culture didn't exist before copyright and Artists don't earn money from live performances.

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  18. Re:lies lies by rtb61 · · Score: 2, Insightful

    To be fair the new administration has been in office for only one hundred days. No matter which government department you care to pick they are still loaded up to the gunnels with 8 years worth of previous administrations political appointees and not very competent employees. I would guess it would take all of this administration first term of office to clean the out and to create a far more honest and professional government service and not the current administration of the lobbyists, by the lobbyists and for the lobbyists.

    The reality is it will take them most of the first year to just carry out the required investigations prior to initiating prosecutions across the board for what history has demonstrated to have been a very corrupt 8 years. It certainly will be interesting but it ain't going to be easy to do.

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  19. Re:Copyright issue is a scam by symbolset · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I feel your pain. It will get much worse before it gets better. Look at the top appointments at US Justice. The content industries are girding for a tough battle and they'll take no prisoners. They intend nothing less than criminal punishments for imaginary offenses.

    Thomas Macaulay actually foretold what would happen 150 years ago:

    I will only say this, that if the measure before us should pass, and should produce one-tenth part of the evil which it is calculated to produce, and which I fully expect it to produce, there will soon be a remedy, though of a very objectionable kind. Just as the absurd acts which prohibited the sale of game were virtually repealed by the poacher, just as many absurd revenue acts have been virtually repealed by the smuggler, so will this law be virtually repealed by piratical booksellers. At present the holder of copyright has the public feeling on his side. Those who invade copyright are regarded as knaves who take the bread out of the mouths of deserving men. Everybody is well pleased to see them restrained by the law, and compelled to refund their ill-gotten gains. No tradesman of good repute will have anything to do with such disgraceful transactions. Pass this law: and that feeling is at an end. Men very different from the present race of piratical booksellers will soon infringe this intolerable monopoly. Great masses of capital will be constantly employed in the violation of the law. Every art will be employed to evade legal pursuit; and the whole nation will be in the plot. On which side indeed should the public sympathy be when the question is whether some book as popular as Robinson Crusoe, or the Pilgrim's Progress, shall be in every cottage, or whether it shall be confined to the libraries of the rich for the advantage of the great-grandson of a bookseller who, a hundred years before, drove a hard bargain for the copyright with the author when in great distress? Remember too that, when once it ceases to be considered as wrong and discreditable to invade literary property, no person can say where the invasion will stop. The public seldom makes nice distinctions. The wholesome copyright which now exists will share in the disgrace and danger of the new copyright which you are about to create. And you will find that, in attempting to impose unreasonable restraints on the reprinting of the works of the dead, you have, to a great extent, annulled those restraints which now prevent men from pillaging and defrauding the living.

    Now ask yourself... how many gigabytes on an iPod? Does your store take the 100packs of CDs and DVDs off the pallet, or they just leave the pallet in the aisle to save labor? What do you have that needs 7.5TB of storage in a consumer grade device? Photos? That's 2 million photos. Home movies? That's a lot of family picnics. He was right. People generally no longer care.

    I looked over this list. Apparently part of their problem with Pakistan is that Pakistan authorizes the production of medicine for internal use without their permission. Let's see what the CIA has to say about Pakistan:

    Pakistan, an impoverished and underdeveloped country, has suffered from decades of internal political disputes, low levels of foreign investment, and declining exports of manufactures. Faced with untenable budgetary deficits, high inflation, and haemorrhaging foreign exchange reserves, the government agreed to an International Monetary Fund Standby Arrangement in November 2008.

    I can't bring myself to care that Pakistan makes medicine for its poor people without permission. To just let them die would be evil. I'm sure a lot of people feel the same way. That they can claim this is some "offense" reveals that they lack even the slightest hint of humanity. And so suddenly nobody cares what happens to them and their precious imaginary property.

    But that doesn't help you in the here and now. Sorry.

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  20. Re:lies lies by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

    He is listening. He's keeping the warrant-less wiretaps, isn't he?

  21. Re:lies lies by pstorry · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Off the top of my head, I'd say that the big changes would be:
    1. Russia will get boisterous and attempt to take on some of its smaller satellites.
    2. China will make a move for Taiwan, and might get more aggressive with Japan/Korea.
    3. At some point, someone will attack Israel.
    4. Um...
    5. Nope, that's about it.

    Number 1 has been happening on and off anyway. I just think that with no threat of U.S. intervention, Russia might throw caution to the wind and go a bit nuts on that front.

    China taking Taiwan is kind of predictable, too. Japan and Korea might follow.

    Israel is obvious. Someone will see a moment of what they think is weakness, and try to walk in and be an Islamic hero. I'd say that they'll have their arse handed to them on a plate, unless they're remarkably successful, in which case their arse will become a glowing cinder. No country in the world has the will to use its Nukes in self defence like Israel has...
    But because it's a religious thing, someone will be dumb enough to try it at some point. Sad, but true.
    The absence of the U.S. might just make them a little more eager about it though.

    But here's the thing that most Americans don't seem to understand...
    NOBODY CARES ABOUT THE U.S. ANYMORE. The U.S. HAS BECOME FAR LESS RELEVANT.

    If the U.S. dismantled its military, it wouldn't affect much. The only countries it would really affect are Russia, China and Israel. By extension, it will affect the ex-USSR states, Taiwan, Japan, Korea and whoever's dumb enough to attack Israel.

    However, I must ask why you think the U.S. should completely dismantle its military. It's just not necessary.

    The U.S. could make huge savings just by admitting that the cold war ended years ago, and that state vs state war is going to be skirmish at best - especially if they keep their ICBMs.

    The U.S. has carrier fleets that they're afraid to deploy against pirates, because they know that a speedboat loaded with explosives can take out one of their destroyers.

    The U.S. has hordes of tanks that take forever to deploy, require huge supply lines, and yet can be taken out from a rooftop with an RPG.

    The U.S. has aircraft that are truly fantastic, amazing bits of kit - but that are hugely expensive and not much more effective than their immediate (much cheaper) competition.

    The U.S. military-industrial complex is throwing money away fighting a war that ended two decades ago. What's needed now is helicopter carrier fleets - smaller, faster, more agile. More Marines and more transport and support for them.
    More unmanned aircraft and ground support aircraft (like the old A-10 and the AC-130).

    Also badly needed is strong military field engineering, with a civilian eye. No U.S. field base should leave an area without giving every nearby village better water supplies, a prefabbed school building, and a courtesy lick of paint. Hearts and minds will secure the bases just as well, if not better, than barbed wire and watchtowers.

    And the U.S. needs a "Missile Shield" to protect itself like I need a six-barrelled rotary cannon with laser sights to protect me from flies in the summer.

    You could cut the U.S. military budget in half, embark on a major restructuring project, and within five years America would have a far more effective military force than it has right now.

    Because right now, if the U.S. was attacked, it wouldn't be able to defend itself. That was proved on September 11th, 2001. The leader of the group that made that attack is still not captured. The senior leadership of that group is hardly dented. The group has made huge territorial gains in Pakistan because of the U.S.'s military ability to handle it. And that group is recruiting more people every day.

    Dismantling the military isn't necessary. But realising that the USSR has been dead and buried for almost 20 years would be a nice first step to making it cost effective...

  22. Re:lies lies by lxs · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Well to be fair, he did change from bowing to Big Oil to bowing to Big Media, as many expected him to do anyway.

  23. Re:lies lies by CodeBuster · · Score: 2, Insightful

    No matter which government department you care to pick they are still loaded up to the gunnels with 8 years worth of previous administrations political appointees and not very competent employees.

    Except that Biden, despite any number of more pressing issues like the economy, wasted no time in packing the Department of Justice full of the RIAA lawyers who brought you spamigation, flagrant contempt of court decisions, and general DMCA related nastiness. The Obama Administration: always time for those who paid to play.

    I would guess it would take all of this administration first term of office to clean the out and to create a far more honest and professional government service and not the current administration of the lobbyists, by the lobbyists and for the lobbyists.

    That will never happen either under Obama or any future president. I don't believe that Obama was ignorant when he made that promise which means that he knew that it would not be kept and made it anyway to score points during a campaign. Obama is beholden to Hollywood and organized labor just as Bush and Cheney were beholden to big business. The more things "change" the more they stay the same.

    The reality is it will take them most of the first year to just carry out the required investigations prior to initiating prosecutions across the board for what history has demonstrated to have been a very corrupt 8 years.

    If you thought that Washington was nasty before "victor's justice" then just wait until this precedent is set. What do you suppose the Republicans will do when they get power again (it will only be a matter of time because the government always has the same sorts of problems no matter who is in charge)? If people go to jail this time then you can bet that scapegoats of today will become the judges of tomorrow. If there are trials in Washington then there will definitely be "revenge" when the tides of political fortune swing again. The political game in Washington is nasty enough without the Democrats upping the ante with political prosecutions.

  24. Re:lies lies by rtb61 · · Score: 2, Insightful

    There are enormous differences between the quality of political appointees. The previous administration was marked with gross incompetence because those appointments weren't for the return of favours or support but because the appointments were for long term support in the corrupt efforts to basically steal as much money as possible, billions dollar no bid contracts for example. Perversely enough they were also there to run down the departments they were in control of to fulfil the corporate lobbyist's goals of privatise everything.

    Under most circumstances this never happens not even in previous republican administrations, make no mistake the previous administration betrayed their own party in order to line their own pockets and those of their fellow conspirators. So the last lot of political appointees were not so much political but conspiratorial and they were neither republican nor democrats or libertarian, for the republicans to rebuild they must learn to accept that and take the appropriate actions to repair the damage.

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