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FDA Could Delay Adult Stem Cell Breakthroughs

destinyland writes "A Colorado medical advocate says, 'The FDA contends that if one cultures stem cells at all...then it's a prescription drug,' in arguing that revolutionary new treatments could be delayed by 20 years — even using cells extracted from your own body. According to the FDA, even therapies that simply re-inject your body's adult stem cells could be prohibited without five years of clinical trials and millions of dollars of research. How useful are cultured stem cells? 'In animal models, they routinely cure diabetes.'"

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  1. FTC != FDA by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

    Heh.

    1. Re:FTC != FDA by evanbd · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Also, kdawson != editor.

      But I suppose we already knew that.

  2. Non-Story by afabbro · · Score: 5, Insightful

    This is not the government saying this, it's a "Colorado medical advocate". It's one guy's opinion on what might happen. And, gosh, guess what industry he's in...

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    1. Re:Non-Story by Kell+Bengal · · Score: 5, Interesting

      It might be the point of view of one man, but it's not a crazy position to take. I for one would want any medical treatment fully tested and certified, irrespective of if it's made out of 'modified' bits of me. Cancers, if you recall, are actually a part of you gone wrong. If I'm dying of cancer, sure, I'll try damn near /anything/ in my last days. However, if it's something that will be offered as a routine treatment to non-critical patients then it needs to run the full gamut of testing, like every other contender.

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    2. Re:Non-Story by .orvp · · Score: 4, Funny

      Definitely fully tested. I remember one episode of 7 Days involved a cure for cancer having been found, but what they didn't know was that there was a long term side effect to the cure that reared an ugly head 15 years later when it wiped out 80% of the population or something. The cure had looked so promising that they mass produced and distributed the drug to as many people as they could, even if the cancer could have been treated in other means. They did this without the full clinical trial period because it was seen as vital.

      Dealing with mutations is always a risky business. While it would be nice personally to not have to die from cancer, or have a relative die, there are safety procedures in place for a reason.

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    3. Re:Non-Story by Smallpond · · Score: 4, Insightful

      After all, we don't want to have doctors developing new treatments. That's what government bureaucrats are best at.

    4. Re:Non-Story by fuzzyfuzzyfungus · · Score: 4, Informative

      But we just might want them telling drug companies that, yes, they do actually have to test for safety and efficacy before they start selling the stuff...

      The private sector has the virtue of (mostly) being extremely responsive to competitive incentives. This is good when those incentives drive development. This is bad when those incentives drive obfuscation, misdirection, and the burial of inconvenient data. Consider the twisted tale of the "Australasian Journal of Bone and Joint Medicine" an entire sham scientific journal printed to order by Elsevier, for Merck.

    5. Re:Non-Story by mellon · · Score: 4, Funny

      Yeah, that's almost like that episode of Sliders with the vampires. Or zombies. I forget which. Anyway, yeah, that's a really good reason why we shouldn't ever release any new medicine. It's just too dangerous to humanity as a whole! :')

    6. Re:Non-Story by rts008 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Yes, and interestingly enough, some researchers see a connection between video games and violence, running Windows and a botnet, and watching violent movies will cause you to go 'postal', and...
      Do I have to go on?

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    7. Re:Non-Story by smegmatic · · Score: 4, Interesting

      more specifically, the hypothesis is that cancer is caused by stem cells. http://www.economist.com/science/displayStory.cfm?story_id=12202589 is a decent popular science article.

  3. Considering how long by NotSoHeavyD3 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Considering it took over a decade to go from the hypothesis of "bacteria cause peptic ulcers so lets use antibiotics" to it being standard practice why would anybody expect stem cells to appear with any speed at all. (I mean that example we're talking about giving people an already existing drug with already known properties in humans and it still took years. Stem cells will be MUCH slower to go from any discovery to actual treatment.)

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  4. OUtrage for everyone! by spinkham · · Score: 5, Insightful

    When a drug is found to cause significant problems after it's release, we're outraged, and when the FDA says we actually need to test radical new treatments before giving them to people, we're outraged.

    Either we're stupid, or we just enjoy being outraged by stupid stuff, I can't tell which...

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    1. Re:OUtrage for everyone! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

      Don't underestimate the ability of average citizens to be both stupid and angry.

    2. Re:OUtrage for everyone! by Brett+Buck · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Either we're stupid, or we just enjoy being outraged by stupid stuff, I can't tell which...

            Can't it be both?

            It's just another example of not wanting to accept EITHER the risk, or the delay, because no one can make a fucking decision and stick with it anymore.

              Brett

  5. Precautionary Principle by meehawl · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Take one of your own well-behaved, tightly regulated stem cell out of its milieu, subject it to various biochemical stresses, and then re-introduce it to your body. You may just have transformed it into an unregulated, tumour-producing cell. Or accelerated it along a transformational path that could take a long time to become apparent.

    I'd say that precaution is warranted dealing with something like this. Especially when you have a very long-lived animal like a human, with decades of time during which manipulated stem cells could transform malignantly, versus the limited lifespan of most animal models.

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  6. Urm? by fuzzyfuzzyfungus · · Score: 5, Insightful

    The risks, while no doubt ultimately manageable, of playing with pluripotent cells are neither trivial nor theoretical. They have this nasty habit of turning into good old tumors.

    Now, if you don't like the FDA, or think that the FDA approval process needs to be modified, great. That is a perfectly legitimate position, and might even be true(the situation is complex enough that it probably varies a bit from case to case). However, if that is so, just say so. A strategy of attempting piecemeal exemptions for various powerful biological interventions is just bullshit.

    It's like the difference between being a libertarian and having an accountant in the cayman islands.

  7. Animal models... by Austerity+Empowers · · Score: 5, Funny

    'In animal models, they routinely cure diabetes.'

    That's great for models, but what about ugly people? Don't we get a cure?

    1. Re:Animal models... by lena_10326 · · Score: 4, Funny

      That's great for models, but what about ugly people? Don't we get a cure?

      You have several cures. Money, beer, and plastic surgery.

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  8. Re:drats by nizo · · Score: 4, Funny

    Never underestimate zombie Superman.

  9. Story at 11 ... by gordguide · · Score: 4, Funny

    "FTC could delay Adult Stem Cell Breakthroughs"

    In related news, the FDA has decided to intervene in the Janet Jackson Superbowl "Wardrobe Malfunction" litigation.

  10. Re:Totally offtopic by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Informative

    Those are trade terms...

    An animal model is a well characterized and well understood animal, often a very specific line of a given species, used as a model for a disease. You can't know that the results you're seeing are mappable to what would happen in a human if you haven't characterized your model yet. For example, to model a respiratory virus you need an animal that can be infected by it and exhibits similar pathology to humans. Chimps are not a good model for HIV as they don't develop AIDS, as another example.

    Animal experimentation would apply to all sorts of things that might not be considered animal models.

  11. Re:Why is this a gov decision? by Anpheus · · Score: 4, Informative

    The FDA simultaneously enforces standards of ethics and cleanliness that help prevent outbreaks of disease, which affect all of us, and outbreaks of rampant idiocy and ill-advised release of powerful and untested medications.

    Without them, we wouldn't ever see salmonella coming. We wouldn't know if any cattle stock had been infected with salmonella, we wouldn't know if the drugs we're buying do what they say they're doing.

    They still do what they were originally deigned to do: ensure that we get what we pay for, without the unwelcome side effects that cutting costs brings.

  12. Looking at the comparisons by Celeste+R · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Definitely fully tested. I remember one episode...

    I know of lots of "end of the earth stories". Science doesn't back it up completely, unless you're talking about real threats (like grey goo or a mutant airborne and massively contagious e-bola virus).

    Just because there's media hype about "what if" doesn't make it true. Yes, "fully tested" has to involve human trials at some point; but with the success we've had in curing rat diabetes and growing spare organs, I believe it has proved itself (definitely at least as an experimental therapy).

    Dealing with mutations is always a risky business. --- there are safety procedures in place for a reason.

    There are already therapies available that are much more dangerous. Mutations are a problem though? Wow, there's been too many horror movies on that subject; and that's all they continue being. Mutations mean cancer at worst, not the next fictional zombie threat.

    Take for example: bone marrow cancer. Treatment is difficult, and even -if- it is successful, it can still rear problems that will kill. This is a treatment, because people choose to try an experimental (albeit common) treatment rather than none at all.

    What I see in this is the drug companies saying "no" to alternative treatment. They like the profits they make! (after all, who wouldn't?). They are also effective lobbyists (because they have moolah to throw around) and have the most to lose from independence of various drugs.

    Is it so surprising that we're simply dealing with an antiquated business model that is stifling innovation?

    ...Oh wait, this is /. That should go without saying.

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  13. due diligence by nten · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I think the notion was that at some point there is a level of effort in testing that should count as due diligence. That any side effects found in the future after that amount of testing should be treated as unfortunate accidents and not cause for litigation. If the FDA isn't implying that this sufficient level of testing has been done by signing off, what is it implying? If it is implying that, it should be solely culpable for the subsequent side effects as the company believed in good faith it had done due diligence. Unless of course it bribed the FDA directly or indirectly, which wouldn't surprise me either. Or falsified test results, which wouldn't raise my eyebrows even a little.

    That said, if I want to do something stupid to myself, I should be able to buy "dietary supplements" made from my own stem cells and inject them wherever I please.

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