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College Threatens Students Over Email Addresses

superdave98 writes "As a sign that a CIO has way too much time on his hands, Santa Rosa Junior College is sending emails threatening lawsuits to staff and students who have the letters 'SRJC' in their private email addresses. They contend that people could be confused and think these are official email addresses. Sure, I suppose people who fall for 419 scams probably could be fooled, but not any reasonable humans. I can't believe they found a lawyer who thought this was a good idea."

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  1. Greed is Good by Drakkenmensch · · Score: 4, Insightful

    For 150 dollars an hour, a lawyer will never tell you any idea of yours is bad, even if it's suing McDonalds because your hot coffee is (gasp!) HOT, and should not have been poured all over your crotch.

    1. Re:Greed is Good by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

      The thing is, if coffee is too hot to be poor over your crotch then how the hell wouldn't it ALSO be too hot to be drank?

      And I don't care if you're a testosterone-driven moron who thinks he's a hot stud because he can drink boiling hot coffee. Normal people can't and restaurants keep making fucking boiling hot coffee, that's just insane.

    2. Re:Greed is Good by couchslug · · Score: 5, Informative

      "For 150 dollars an hour, a lawyer will never tell you any idea of yours is bad, even if it's suing McDonalds because your hot coffee is (gasp!) HOT, and should not have been poured all over your crotch."

      For free, any number of internet denizens will propagate distortions and urban legends.

      http://www.commondreams.org/views05/0122-11.htm

      "Third Degree Burns

      Here's what the talk show pundits and columnists neglected to mention about the McDonalds coffee burn case:

      79 year old Stella Liebeck suffered third degree burns on her groin and inner thighs while trying to add sugar to her coffee at a McDonalds drive through. Third degree burns are the most serious kind of burn. McDonalds knew it had a problem. There were at least 700 previous cases of scalding coffee incidents at McDonalds before Liebeck's case. McDonalds had settled many claim before but refused Liebeck's request for $20,000 compensation, forcing the case into court. Lawyers found that McDonalds makes its coffee 30-50 degrees hotter than other restaurants, about 190 degrees. Doctors testified that it only takes 2-7 seconds to cause a third degree burn at 190 degrees. McDonalds knew its coffee was exceptionally hot but testified that they had never consulted with burn specialist. The Shriner Burn Institute had previously warned McDonalds not to serve coffee above 130 degrees. And so the jury came back with a decision- $160,000 for compensatory damages. But because McDonalds was guilty of "willful, reckless, malicious or wanton conduct" punitive damages were also applied. The jury set the award at $2.7 million. The judge then reduced the fine to less than half a million. Ms. Liebeck then settled with McDonalds for a sum reported to be much less than a half million dollars. McDonald's coffee is now sold at the same temperature as most other restaurants. "

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    3. Re:Greed is Good by debrain · · Score: 5, Informative

      For 150 dollars an hour, a lawyer will never tell you any idea of yours is bad, even if it's suing McDonalds because your hot coffee is (gasp!) HOT, and should not have been poured all over your crotch.

      Lawyers have an obligation to advise their clients of the good and bad of the client's case. In addition to duties under their respective governing society and regulations, the practical reason is rather simple: Where a lawyer is negligent in failing to properly advise their client of the risks in a litigation, that lawyer could be liable to their client in negligence.

    4. Re:Greed is Good by ifdef · · Score: 5, Informative

      Why don't you read about what happened before you guess about it?

      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liebeck_v._McDonald's_Restaurants seems to be a good summary of the case. Basically, a 79-year-old woman suffered third-degree burns on six percent of her skin and lesser burns over sixteen percent. She remained in the hospital for eight days while she underwent skin grafting. Two years of treatment followed. The issue was that McDonald's required franchises to serve coffee at 180-190 F, which (it was claimed) is much hotter than coffee from other places.

      Not that I can understand why anybody would want to drink McDonald's coffee anyway -- it's HORRIBLE! But that's just my opinion.

    5. Re:Greed is Good by infaustus · · Score: 3, Informative

      http://www.consumerreports.org/cro/food/beverages/coffee-tea/coffee-taste-test-3-07/overview/0307_coffee_ov_1.htm Your are apparently in the minority. CR's taste test found McDonald's coffee was the best.

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    6. Re:Greed is Good by inviolet · · Score: 4, Insightful

      79 year old Stella Liebeck suffered third degree burns on her groin and inner thighs while trying to add sugar to her coffee at a McDonalds drive through. Third degree burns are the most serious kind of burn. McDonalds knew it had a problem. There were at least 700 previous cases of scalding coffee incidents at McDonalds before Liebeck's case. McDonalds had settled many claim before but refused Liebeck's request for $20,000 compensation, forcing the case into court. Lawyers found that McDonalds makes its coffee 30-50 degrees hotter than other restaurants, about 190 degrees.

      You know that coffee is brewed with water that is on the verge of boiling, right? Ditto for hot tea, at least if you follow worldwide British/Indian custom. So if your coffee is served fresh, as Starbucks does serve it, then it will be about 190 degrees. There would be a storm of "ZOMG my five-dollar coffee isn't fresh!!1!" complaints if they didn't.

      So I'd like to know the definition of "other restaurants" that plaintiff claims are serving cooler coffee. It is very telling that they do not cite any coffee- or restaurant-industry standard for coffee serve temperature.

      For added enlightenment, next time you brew a pot of coffee, let it sit in the carafe for a while with the coffeemaker still on to keep it warm, and then check the temperature with a cooking thermometer. Then come back and tell us whether plaintiff was justified in claiming that McDonalds' procedure was somehow out-of-the-ordinary.

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    7. Re:Greed is Good by sexconker · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Actually
      Go eat a nice hot pizza.
      Now get some of that hot cheese on your thigh.

      Easy to eat, yet it can still burn.
      AMAZING!

    8. Re:Greed is Good by futuresheep · · Score: 5, Funny

      http://www.consumerreports.org/cro/food/beverages/coffee-tea/coffee-taste-test-3-07/overview/0307_coffee_ov_1.htm Your are apparently in the minority. CR's taste test found McDonald's coffee was the best.

      I trust Consumer Reports to rate food about as much as I trust Cook's Illustrated to rate chainsaws.

    9. Re:Greed is Good by wisnoskij · · Score: 3, Informative

      I agree i have to wait for 40 minutes before i can drink any restaurants coffee.

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    10. Re:Greed is Good by N3Roaster · · Score: 3, Informative

      Actually, that brewing temperature (I'm going to assume your figure is for a serving temperature and that the extraction temperature was really a little bit higher) is based on good research into solids extraction and taste preference. For a drip preparation, brewing coffee at cooler temperatures tastes under-extracted. It is possible to compensate for this somewhat by increasing the depth of the grounds bed or using a finer particle size. Both of these increase water resistance, causing the extraction time to increase, and this also introduces defects in the flavor. (Espresso, of course, can get away with the lower extraction temperature due to the higher pressure, so a reasonable compromise would be to just serve caffe americano prepared at whatever temperature by a robot.) In other words, McD was actually brewing the coffee correctly, as the then-president of the Specialty Coffee Association of America testified at the time.

      That's not to say that there wasn't a problem here. That 2-7 seconds for third degree burns at 190 degrees is a real problem and one that can be addressed. Once coffee is served, it cools off fairly quickly. Once spilled, it cools off even faster assuming that it doesn't have the opportunity to pool. The fact is, good coffee is not safe to serve in a drive-through environment. Had she spilled the coffee in the store where there was some freedom of motion (rather than strapped into a seat in a small space), the burn would never have happened. So the choice is this: either serve lousy tasting coffee that wasn't brewed or stored correctly or stop serving coffee from the drive-through window.

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    11. Re:Greed is Good by lefiz · · Score: 5, Informative

      And she did not want to sue McDonalds for punitive damages, only to have them pay for the costs of her medical treatments. McD's refused to pay her medical bills (they offered $800), and so she was left with the choice of suing or being on the hook for the costs. Moreover, there were something like 700 previous cases of serious burns relating to McD's coffee, and McD's was aware of the safety issues. http://www.lectlaw.com/files/cur78.htm http://library.findlaw.com/1999/Nov/1/129862.html

    12. Re:Greed is Good by Lord_Frederick · · Score: 4, Informative

      The degree of a burn refers to how deep the burn is. If the burns affected the full thickness of the dermis and underlying tissue, then they would be considered third degree despite the lack of charring.

    13. Re:Greed is Good by Duradin · · Score: 3, Insightful

      No one ever mentions the fact she was holding the cup of coffee between her knees.

      Hot coffee + flimsy cup + holding with your legs = bad idea.

    14. Re:Greed is Good by SolarCanine · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Normally, when purchasing coffee "to go" from a restaurant, I'm actually looking to drink it 20-30 minutes later. Boiling hot coffee remains drinkably hot a half-hour later, which suits me just fine. And I don't care if you're a testosterone-lacking intellectual who thinks a nanny state is required to protect its members from something as simple as "hot things can burn." Smart people learn this at a pretty young age, and Darwin can and should take care of reinforcing the lesson as necessary.

    15. Re:Greed is Good by Hijacked+Public · · Score: 3, Funny

      I'd like to see the guy with the bowtie run a chainsaw.

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    16. Re:Greed is Good by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Funny

      Yes but you get that kind of damage from McDonald's coffee even when it's cold...

    17. Re:Greed is Good by jlf278 · · Score: 3, Interesting

      It may not hurt your mouth or tongue, but drinking hot beverages regularly greatly increase your risk of oesophogeal cancer. http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/health/7965380.stm

    18. Re:Greed is Good by SolarCanine · · Score: 5, Insightful

      If that's the only way they'll learn what a three-year-old can learn otherwise, then yes, that's what I'm seriously saying. Hot coffee is hot. This shouldn't be something that requires any further explanation, disclaimers, cautionary tales, or legal proceedings. Not in any sane situation, anyway. But it seems that my post was flamebait, so whatever. I guess I'm just a cranky bastard that thinks that common sense is a valuable commodity that happens to be scarce lately.

    19. Re:Greed is Good by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Bullshit! If it is too fucking hot for my leg, it's going to burn the shit out of my mouth!

      Also, the facts of the McDonald's Hot Coffee case are that McDonald's required their franchisees to keep their coffee at 180F-190F. In addition, the coffee manufacturer has stated that such a high temperature is not ideal for the coffee's taste. It was simply a matter of time before someone got seriously injured.

    20. Re:Greed is Good by khellendros1984 · · Score: 3, Funny

      And you have to wait over an hour to be able to pour it on your crotch....such a tragedy!

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    21. Re:Greed is Good by idontgno · · Score: 4, Funny

      Well, to use the current Darwin Award rules, death is not required. Inability to reproduce is. Specifically, sterilization is a viable alternative. So, given sufficient quantities of sufficiently hot coffee dumped into a crotch (which, by normal human physiology, is necessary to reproduction), non-lethal hot coffee burns may qualify.

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    22. Re:Greed is Good by Capt.DrumkenBum · · Score: 4, Funny

      I am lactose intolerant you insensitive clod.

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    23. Re:Greed is Good by Lemmy+Caution · · Score: 4, Funny

      If inability to reproduce qualifies one for the Darwin Awards, I think 90% of the Linux user-base can make it to the finals.

    24. Re:Greed is Good by plague3106 · · Score: 5, Informative

      Except that you're in the minority. McDs own research showed that 1) the majority of thier customers wanted to drink the coffee immdediately and 2) the temp. they served it at would cause 3rd degree burns and 3) didn't care. That's why they lost the lawsuit.. that the woman shouldn't have had an open cup of coffee between her legs to begin with was why the award was halved.

    25. Re:Greed is Good by whoever57 · · Score: 3, Informative

      Seriously, has concept of a kettle (meaning a jug which holds about 3 pints of water and has a heating element built in which will boil the water and cut-out when there's sufficient steam to operate a cutout switch) not made it over there?

      Such devices have recently become widely available. They were difficult to find only a few years ago.

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    26. Re:Greed is Good by Rubinstien · · Score: 3, Informative

      McDonald's coffee, besides tasting like crap, was always INSANELY hot. I once HAD IT MELT THE GLUE holding in the base of the paper cup it was served to me in. I was driving in Chicago, had left McDonald's only a few minutes before, and picked up the cup from the console cup holder for my first sip. The bottom of the cup fell out just as I was bringing the rim of the cup to my lips, and dumped the entire, scalding, contents onto my crotch. I crossed four lanes of traffic in as many seconds, screaming the entire way, so that I could get out of the hot pool of coffee puddled in my vinyl seat. This was years before the now famous coffee lawsuit. I have much sympathy, and evidently not enough greed.

      Yes, my skin peeled.

  2. Of course they did... by rodrigoandrade · · Score: 3, Insightful

    A lawyer will take any case he can make a buck on.

    1. Re:Of course they did... by sexconker · · Score: 3, Funny

      I don't know what bugs me more.
      The insistence on shit like:
      (s)he
      s/he
      he/she
      him/her
      latin@
      etc.

      Or the counter movement where authors intentionally choose the female pronoun, or alternate between the two, use words like "womyn", etc.

      Either way, I do my part by using "they/their" for some singulars ("If your friend touches you where you don't want them to, they are not your friend."), and in this case, I would have said:

      A lawyer will take any case it can make a buck on.

      Hell, I think I'll be using "it" in place of he/she/him/her/etc. from now on.

  3. hopes dashed by n3tcat · · Score: 4, Funny

    They just put the fear of god into srjc_p1mp69.

  4. Doubly Strange by hedronist · · Score: 5, Interesting

    This is more than a bit surreal since SRJC has a long history of being on the net.

    For example, Santa Rosa Junior College is one of the very few non-4-year colleges to have a .EDU domain name. In the early 90's they had two junior admins, Dane Jasper and Scott Doty, who went on to become the founders of a Mom-and-Pop Internet company that actually succeeded. It started as Sonoma Interconnect, but is now known as Sonic.net.

    It's a shame to add this squirrely episode to that history.

    1. Re:Doubly Strange by i.r.id10t · · Score: 4, Informative

      Backwards. Educause used to require that you were a 4 year accredited school, now any school can get a .edu domain

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  5. What if my initials are... by ganjadude · · Score: 5, Funny

    SRJC Sam Robert Jacob Christinson? Can I sue the college for using my initals in their offical email? Someone may confuse me with them

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  6. What utter fucktards... by fuzzyfuzzyfungus · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I'm not saying I'm surprised; because idiocy is hardly surprising; but this move shows both legal asshattery and truly incredible ignorance of the technically mediated mores that exist on the internet.

    With an email address, everybody knows that the local-part (before the @) is arbitrary and the domain corresponds, of course, to a domain. Using the local-part as an organizational identifier, except in flaky ad-hoc setups for small sub organizations(student_club@school.edu style), just isn't done. The domain is always where you look for organizational information.

    This seems to be a case where somebody(who should know better, since he is part of their tech department) is treating all parts of the email address as being equally salient. If somebody had grabbed santarosa.com or santarosacollege.com (as opposed to the school's santarosa.edu) and was using email addresses in that domain for misleading purposes, I could sympathize with the case. Trying to dictate the form of email address local-parts from other domains is just bullshit, though.

  7. Publicity by Translation+Error · · Score: 3, Funny

    I have never heard of Santa Rosa Junior College and if they hadn't gotten themselves on Slashdot, I never would have. Even if they don't get a single email address changed, they've gotten something out of this move.

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  8. Legal Eagles by Quiet_Desperation · · Score: 4, Funny

    I can't believe they found a lawyer who thought this was a good idea.

    I can't believe they only found one.

  9. No problem dude by bobdotorg · · Score: 3, Funny

    "Unless they have been given permission to use that, we are asking them not to use it," said Ken Fiori, director of computing services at the college.

    No problem dude, I'll just change my email to FU_KenFiori@gmail.com .

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    1. Re:No problem dude by Nihixul · · Score: 5, Funny

      No problem dude, I'll just change my email to FU_KenFiori@gmail.com .

      Florida University would like to have a word with you....

    2. Re:No problem dude by gnapster · · Score: 3, Informative

      Sorry, there are UF, FSU, FAU, and FIU, as well as universities of Central, North, West, and South Florida. But no FU. GP is safe wrt Floridian institutions.

      Please play again.

  10. Single Female Lawyer by camperdave · · Score: 4, Funny

    Single Female Lawyer -
    fighting For Her Clients,
    wearing Sexy Mini Skirts,
    and Being Self-Reliant.

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  11. Sure would be a shame... by Morphine007 · · Score: 5, Funny

    The two people mentioned in the article as being behind the policy are:

    MK Rudolph - mrudolph@santarosa.edu and

    K Fiori - kfiori@santarosa.edu

    The latter created the policy (director of computing services) and the former has her weight behind it (VP Academic Affairs). Just figured it'd be useful information to have. I'm in no way suggesting that all of slashdot go out and register variants of hotGritzIn_SJRC@gmail.com and youSuck_SJRC@yahoo.com or anything like that. And using hundreds of those emails to spam the everliving bejeezus out of their mailboxes would be nearly as morally questionable as suing your own students for making similar addresses. So I'd never suggest that either.

  12. Number of comments?! by x78 · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Is it me or has the number of comments of an article been taken off the beta index?!
    I for one am not happy with this!
    Going back to the original, hmph.
    To keep on topic, yeah it's a little silly :)

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  13. This happens all the time by Ohio+Calvinist · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I worked for the California Community College system. A lot of these schools are running on old exchange installations on aging hardware with tiny quotas, that tend to have poor uptimes. (My school was 60MB for faculty due to Exchange 5.5's 16GB information store limit). Many professors within the college simply told their students to mail them at prof_name.(college_initals)@gmail.com because of higher quotas for massive amounts of students sending poorly optimized attachments as part of their assignment, that was web/client accessible in a better interface than 5.5 had, and had much better uptime. As an institution we advised them to use their college-provided account so IT could view the logs and say "yes or no" this student did/did not attempt to submit their paper ontime.

    If anything, this helps students and faculty make sure they are communicating with the right "John Smith, Professor" out there.

    Every single student whom crosses the door of SRJC is making a statement that "I feel qualified to be a college-level student." Part of being a student is understanding the tools you use to get the job done. Not taking minimal effort to verify an e-mail address for validity, particularly given most students are forced to use an Online Courseware system that is at something.mycollege.edu, so they know that "this address does not match this address", is no excuse for acting foolishly.

    One of the biggest merits of going to any college is that after 18 years of hand-holding in the home and public education spheres, the college is not going to baby sit you, beg you to pay your fees on time, order you to attend lecture (though sadly some professors attempt to to artifically give merit to their poor instruction in the form of attendance-grades), or anything else for that matter. You are there because you want to learn, and almost no career has zero computer interaction, so you should learn to use the computer, just like you learned to read even though you didn't plan on being grammar or literature teacher. I am shocked and disappointed how many people flatly refuse to properly learn to use a tool that can make their job easier. I've never met anyone who "regretted" spending the necessary time to use a computer effectively.

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  14. Using the college's name by Jason+Levine · · Score: 3, Interesting

    administrators said using the college's name in e-mail addresses could potentially confuse people.

    The administrators seem to be trying to keep people from using the college's name in their private e-mail addresses. So why are they going after abbreviations? I guess I could see it if someone registered SantaRosaJuniorCollege@yahoo.com and started spamming people, but attempting to claim ownership on SRJC? That's simply ridiculous.

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  15. I call dibs on the email address!!! by nomel · · Score: 5, Funny

    Woot! I grabbed JohnDoe_SRJC@yahoo.com!

    1. Check slashdot
    2. Grab example email address from news article
    3. ???
    4. Profit!

    I'm sitting here watching the yahoo inbox, just waiting for the bucket loads of money to start pouring in...hahaha...SUCKERS!

  16. Small minds in bright places... by __aaclcg7560 · · Score: 3, Interesting

    The district board members for junior colleges that hire these lawyers tend to have small minds. The junior college in my neighborhood is rebuilding the campus, and there was supposed to be a neighborhood meeting to make everyone aware of the changes. The board decided to hold the meeting at the district office on the other side of town. I don't know if they realized that no one was going to attend or someone threaten to sue them, but the meeting is being rescheduled to be held at the junior college in the neighborhood.

  17. Logical fallacy? by BForrester · · Score: 4, Funny

    Can we strike down the assumption that in order for
    a particular substance to be agreeable to your palate then it must also be judged crotch-friendly?

    I like vinegar on my fries. I don't feel the need to test the viability of this combination by pouring dilute acid on my wang. I like hot peppers. I don't need to do quality control on these by first rubbing them on my groin. (I do it because I can.)