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How an Intern Stole NASA's Moon Rocks

schwit1 submitted a story telling the strange tale of how in 2002, rogue NASA interns stole millions of dollars in moon rocks from a building designed not to let that happen. I'd suggest taking the whole thing with a little bit of salt.

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  1. salt not required by Kartoffel · · Score: 5, Informative

    Haven't read TFA yet, but the general story is true. I worked at JSC and knew Shae.

    The samples were in a floor safe that they rolled out of the building on a dolly. The sting was set up as if a Belgian rockhound wanted to buy some of the samples, and they agreed to meet in Florida. The 3 other interns crossed state lines for the sting. Shae stayed in TX that weekend to attend scuba classes.

    1. Re:salt not required by The+Grim+Reefer2 · · Score: 5, Funny

      I'd suggest taking the whole thing with a little bit of salt.

      Isn't that what interns said... Minus the salt part.

    2. Re:salt not required by DerekLyons · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I was about to say the same thing - this is actually a pretty well known incident. Had the poster taken the minuscule effort required to click on any of the links in the article, he'd have found the news stories supporting the article.

  2. Blech by Red+Flayer · · Score: 4, Funny

    I particularly like the bit where the interns in question laid the moonrocks down and a mattress and screwed on top of them, thereby making the contamination of the spent samples even worse. Made me wonder who was on the bottom.

    Seriously, though, the thing read like a synopsis of a bad TV movie. It may or may not be true, but it's telling that the perp has a book coming out that is an 'augmented' account of the heist, that the author of the linked piece is summarizing what was told him by the perp.

    IOW, don't take it with a grain of salt. Kill it with Na fire.

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    1. Re:Blech by Kartoffel · · Score: 5, Informative

      Thad was a real type-A personality type. Very self confident and extroverted. I don't know much about how the other students got involved in the heist, but I'd imagine Thad was the ringleader.

      Shae was probably allowed in on the plan because she could have supplied the scuba gear for breathing in the nitrogen-purged storage room. There's no reason they would have needed wetsuits, though.

    2. Re:Blech by Kartoffel · · Score: 4, Informative

      Actually come to think of it... I don't think any ROOMS in 31N are purged. If anything, only the samples themselves are stored in gastight purged containers.

      The breathing gear stuff is probably completely salt-worthy. All I know is Shae was going for a scuba cert at the time, and that's why she wasn't in Florida with the other 3 when they got busted.

    3. Re:Blech by flyingsquid · · Score: 5, Funny
      particularly like the bit where the interns in question laid the moonrocks down and a mattress and screwed on top of them, thereby making the contamination of the spent samples even worse.

      In a related story, NASA announced a groundbreaking discovery today, with some startling implications. The good news is, they have discovered that the Moon supports microbial life. The bad news is, it's chlamydia.

  3. This article is hoplessly wrong pulp fiction by modemboy · · Score: 5, Informative

    Not only is it somewhat painful to read, as far as I can tell it is mostly fiction, no fact checking at all. And it also seems partially plagiarized from this article:
    http://www.latimes.com/features/printedition/magazine/la-tm-moonrocks23jun06,1,1392690.story?coll=la-home-magazine

    And that one is by an actual reporter with actual fact checking. Obviously some of it is left up to how the perpetrators described it, but it doesn't have stupid made up stuff like a nitrogen filled lab and thermal suits and such. I would guess the crime played out more like the LA Times article, rather than this embellished piece of pulp fiction

    1. Re:This article is hoplessly wrong pulp fiction by jandrese · · Score: 5, Funny

      I think they just calculated the replacement cost.

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    2. Re:This article is hoplessly wrong pulp fiction by oman_ · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Back when I was in high school my father was the chairman of the historical society in town and someone had at one time donated a pretty large moon rock to the museum.

      We looked in to selling it because the interest of the money in the bank would pay all the museums bills indefinitely.

      Turns out...

      NASA is the only place that can verify the authenticity of a moon rock. They would not guarantee that they would give it back. A moon rock is a national treasure. A national treasure can not be owned so it can't be legally sold.

      What's funny is I had no idea of the potential value of the small object we had in our house. The rock was almost the size of a small lemon.

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    3. Re:This article is hoplessly wrong pulp fiction by femtobyte · · Score: 5, Informative

      I did a summer internship with NASA a few years after this incident, and of course the interns all got a nice tour of the moonrock facility.

      As modemboy points out, the "nitrogen filled lab" and such is pure bunk. The moonrocks are kept in nitrogen-purged safes (and in a separate room with nitrogen-filled gloveboxes used for preparing samples to send out to researchers), but the room containing the safes isn't itself filled with nitrogen. There is an "air-lock," but it's the usual type of clean-room airlock, used to keep out dust between the changing room where you suit up in disposable clean-room clothes and the lab itself.

    4. Re:This article is hoplessly wrong pulp fiction by VAXcat · · Score: 4, Informative

      "NASA is the only place that can verify the authenticity of a moon rock. They would not guarantee that they would give it back. A moon rock is a national treasure. A national treasure can not be owned so it can't be legally sold." Not so - not all moon rocks came from the US Apollo missions. The USSR brought moon rocks back via automated sample return missions.

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    5. Re:This article is hoplessly wrong pulp fiction by dumuzi · · Score: 4, Informative
      I had to do a lab analyzing the estrous cycle of rats. I can assure you they do fart, and they don't seem the least bit embarrassed by their public flatulence.

      Others have studied the rats gaseous emissions directly.

      http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/845703

    6. Re:This article is hoplessly wrong pulp fiction by HTH+NE1 · · Score: 4, Informative

      IIRC there was some confusion on the issue awhile back in that some small moon rocks were sealed inside paperweights and given as gifts very early on. This caused some brouhaha when someone who found themselves in possession of one wanted it authenticated and NASA hadn't known about it.

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    7. Re:This article is hoplessly wrong pulp fiction by Mursk · · Score: 5, Funny

      Well, presumably the rooms are at least 78% or so nitrogen filled. Maybe they just rounded up?

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  4. I touched a NASA space suit covered in moon dust by JoshDM · · Score: 4, Interesting

    My father used to work for ILC-DDC, a chip manufacturer out on Long Island. Some of their chips went to use with NASA. As I recall it, years ago, we children were given a tour on a "factory open to families" day, and they had a NASA space suit on display in the hallway. Well, it turns out that (1) this suit had been on the moon, (2) this suit hadn't been cleaned properly, and (3) NASA eventually recalled the suit to have any errant moon dust sucked out of it, and never let them have the suit again. At least, that's the story I was told.

  5. Re:I'll ask the same question I always ask by Locke2005 · · Score: 4, Interesting

    My point exactly. "I just stolen several million dollars worth of moon rocks... what do I do with them now? I know! I'll sell them on eBay! They'll never think to look for them there!" Not exactly the thought processes of a genius. More like something out of a Three Stooges movie. And yes, most of the Mission Impossible stuff is bullshit, although I do believe they got an ex-employee to give them access codes.

    I once worked at a USAF AWACS station, where the regulations said I was not allowed in the radome without an escort, since my security clearance was still pending. My first day there, one of my coworkers said "Here's the keycode to the door. Behave yourself." At other jobs, I've been able to access computer accounts I was not supposed to be in because the administrators made the passwords so complicated that their subordinates simply wrote them down and stuck them in their desk drawers. The point is, anybody who has dealt with bureaucratic bullshit long enough is perfectly willing to bend the rules to help their coworkers actually do their job. These interns got help from lots of people who assumed they were just doing their job. Needless to say, none of them is going to volunteer a "Oh yeah, I helped these kids get in" after the fact.

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  6. The part about the neoprene suits by Jane+Q.+Public · · Score: 4, Insightful

    is probably completely bogus. As was clearly shown on Mythbusters, neoprene (even thicker than the mentioned 2mm) simply does not work against thermal sensors.

    Also: "... and by paying careful attention to the absorption of the powder it is possible to tell which finger came down first and so forth."

    Maybe... if you are talking about a key that was pressed twice. Otherwise, forget it.

    Yeah. About a teaspoon of salt. One grain for each embellishment.

  7. Picture of Tiffany - You know you're curious by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

    yeah yeah this isn't fark, but how often do we get cute female cat burglars to ogle at?

    http://www.baylor.edu/biology/index.php?id=32089 /would hit it

  8. Mythbusters? Bleah. by cusco · · Score: 5, Insightful
    I have yet to see Mythbusters adequately "disprove" any damn thing. Their normal method of operation is "Well urban legend says someone did something this way, but since we only have an hour show and a low budget we're going to try to do it this other way. Didn't work? Well then it couldn't have happened and it's a myth!"

    What BS. The other night they "proved" that Robin Hood couldn't have split an arrow with another arrow by using cheap factory-made lathe-turned arrows with grain running every-which-way. Since every arrow hit broke following the irregular grain near the nock they decided that NO ONE EVER could have split an arrow. I've actually seen a hand-made straight-grained arrow that had been split from nock to head, with the other arrow still embedded, so I know for a fact that their show was BS.

    Even worse was the show where they tried to debunk the story of someone mounting a RATO (Rocket Assisted Take Off) bottle to their old Chevy Impala back in the 60s (when you could buy them surplus from the Air Force). Not having access to an actual JATO bottle, and too lazy and cheap to examine the actual plans and make a replica, the bozos cobbled together some POS rocket that probably didn't have enough thrust to get itself off the ground and put it on a car instead. Not surprisingly it failed, and now thousands of people believe that the story has been debunked.

    I certainly don't object to the IDEA of their program, in fact I think it's a great idea. I just wish that they had hired someone who could actually do it RIGHT.

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  9. Re:Millions of dollars? by ComputerSlicer23 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I don't know, it's probably literally closer to "priceless", which isn't infinitely valuable, but a market can't be established, therefore a value/price cannot be determined (see the description of "Neoclassical Value" on the Wikipedia link, lots of artwork is priceless in this sense, even though it sells for a specific value).

    What you're describing is the cost, not the price or value. If I blew $100K on rebuilding a fully restored mint condition Ford Fiesta from 1994, doesn't mean that I could sell it for that, or that it represented the value. It means I blew $100K, and now had a car that is probably worth 1/10th at best. That's just a guess.

    Even if you were going to present it that way, it's not like the rocks are the only thing that came out of that money. So if you want to determine if it was "worth it", or "profitable" to go to the moon, the rocks aren't the only thing of value to come out of all that money being spent.

    Kirby