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Sun Microsystems May Have Violated Bribery Law

Afforess writes "In a new file submitted to the Securities and Exchange Commission, Sun Microsystems admitted that 'we have identified potential violations of the Foreign Corrupt Practices Act, the resolution of which could possibly have a material effect on our business.' The Foreign Corrupt Practices Act makes it 'unlawful to make a payment to a foreign official for the purpose of obtaining or retaining business for or with, or directing business to, any person.' Yet, Sun would not release further details, only that it 'took remedial action.' Oracle, the new owner of Sun Microsystems, also said that they had prior knowledge of the infraction, yet also refused to release any details."

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  1. Since most people don't RTFA by rackserverdeals · · Score: 5, Informative

    For those of you that won't RTFA, this may not be a big deal and is fairly common.

    For example, in 2007, networking provider Alcatel-Lucent agreed to pay $2.5 million to settle charges that Lucent Technologies, before it was bought by Alcatel SA in 2006, illegally paid for hundreds of trips for Chinese officials to win contracts. In a separate case, IBM Corp. agreed in 2000 to pay $300,000 to settle allegations that its Argentina subsidiary was involved in bribing officials of a government-owned bank to win a contract to upgrade the bank's computer systems.

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    1. Re:Since most people don't RTFA by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Everybody's doing it. Everybody knows everybody's doing it. There's no jail time and the fines are light, so corporations are happy to break the law and pay the money. The government doesn't actually care about foreign corruption. It's basically a tax on doing business abroad.

    2. Re:Since most people don't RTFA by JustOK · · Score: 5, Funny

      Can someone tell me what's wrong with Slashdot's front page? I want my low-bandwidth, dialup-friendly version back but despite changing my preference multiple times, I'm getting some frakked-up yellow-and-white monstrosity.

      you have to bribe someone to get what you want

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    3. Re:Since most people don't RTFA by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

      They DO care about foreign corruption. Thats money that could have been paid to US government officials.

    4. Re:Since most people don't RTFA by DriedClexler · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Can someone tell me what's wrong with Slashdot's front page? I want my low-bandwidth, dialup-friendly version back but despite changing my preference multiple times, I'm getting some frakked-up yellow-and-white monstrosity.

      Ditto. It looks like it's telling my browser to render it by some RSS settings. I see a lot of the tags like "em" "/em".

      Is it really that hard for you idiots running slashdot to leave well-enough alone? If it ain't broke, don't sodomize it beyond recognition.

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    5. Re:Since most people don't RTFA by squidguy · · Score: 2, Interesting

      There's no jail time and the fines are light
      Oh really? Check out the fine they slapped on Siemens last year. 1.6 billion USD... See http://www.secactions.com/?p=655

    6. Re:Since most people don't RTFA by INT_QRK · · Score: 2, Insightful

      In many (but not limited to) developing countries, especially those with oligarchic societies and institutions, what we in the west may assume to be "bribery" may just be another name for "respect for local authority and traditions" in conformance with local laws and customs. The company that "respects local authority and traditions," may have a chance (license, permission, contract) to do business in that country. Those who don't may complain self-righteously, but from a distance, please. Is there an ethical reward or societal good in just not doing business in that country, all other factors being equal, while your less self-righteous competitor does? This question is worth five extra credit points...

    7. Re:Since most people don't RTFA by AK+Marc · · Score: 2, Insightful

      1) Not a US company. 2) Largest ever doesn't count as "typical" use.

  2. In many countries, no bribery = no business by LatencyKills · · Score: 4, Insightful

    And it's naive to think otherwise. You want to do serious governmental business in Saudi Arabia/Egypt/Jordan? Some shiek/prince/royal family member is going to get some quid pro quo. And quite frankly it's more or less true in America as well. You think those Congressional reelection campaign coffers are going to fill themselves?

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    1. Re:In many countries, no bribery = no business by toppavak · · Score: 5, Insightful

      And that attitude, especially among instructors (I've spoken to several business school faculty espousing this view before), prevents this from ever changing. At some point one has to make a decision about what ideals are worth holding on to. Having spent a lot of time in a country where corruption at every level is rampant (India) and seeing many successful businesses run cleanly, I don't believe your equation is entirely accurate. It is a decision on our part as individuals as to whether we want to actively propagate corruption in developing countries or not. To preach ethical practices in business, engineering and science and yet consider those practices to be naive is nothing short of ludicrous.

      With the amount of harm it does to developing economies and the people that live there, doing business this way should be treated as a crime against humanity. It retards the progression of democracy and social justice abroad and creates future demand for corruption. Just because this was the way an older generation operated doesn't mean the new generations of leaders coming out of colleges now have to continue their mistakes. It all starts with the realization that one person can actually change the world- for good or for bad. The question you have to ask yourself is simple: which way do you want to change it?

    2. Re:In many countries, no bribery = no business by LatencyKills · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I agree with you completely, but if there's some mechanism to produce such change I don't see it. Just to take an example with which I'm familiar, say you're a large defense contractor and you want to sell something to Saudi Arabia. That's absolutely going to require a little something to their defense minister to even get your proposal in the door. You don't want to pay to play? Fine - Raytheon/BAE Systems/Lockheed/Kollsman/Northrop/etc etc etc are all perfectly willing to take your place. Enforcement of the rules is spotty at best. For every company that gets caught, a dozen more just did business, and the US doesn't necessarily even want to catch you. Oh, on paper they do, but in reality you're talking billions of dollars of taxable income, and if it doesn't go to a US contractor, China/Russia/India/Japan/etc etc etc are more than willing to fill the void. Unless you suddenly create a worldwide attack of conscience and morals, I'm not even certain how change can begin to happen.

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    3. Re:In many countries, no bribery = no business by toppavak · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Its definitely a big problem. It takes a certain critical mass to achieve change at the scales we need. I think inevitably its going to start with small companies and individuals, almost certainly in a set of industries where the lack of a "competitive advantage" based on deep pockets doesn't hurt as much. Just because we can be idealists doesn't mean we can't be realistic about achieving our goals as well. Public perception is a big deal and people appreciate honest, transparent efforts on the part of companies and organizations.

      Take Nyaya Health for example. They do an amazing job at maintaining full transparency. Granted, this is not a commercial organization, but the principle is similar. People will back the honest underdog that's being overrun by the corrupt multi-billion dollar company, its a feeling that the general populace (both domestically and abroad) can empathize with. Eventually, public support can reach a critical mass of its own after which the government can no longer ignore the PR that would result from not punishing the corrupt when there's enough business running clean and enough popular support behind the ideals they stand for. Defense may certainly be one of the last industries to escape the corruption (if it ever can!) but I think there are plenty of other industries that act to lead the way- software and healthcare are two big ones that could and should take point on fighting corruption. Software has the advantage of leveraging the FOSS movement and the ideals it represents. The healthcare industry should theoretically represent the most basic needs of people but often is one of the more corrupt. I think a similar movement to FOSS needs to occur in medical tech for developing countries for this to change. The traditional model for medtech breaks down as soon as you leave North America/Europe/Japan/Australia. I'm actually currently working with a scientist in Boston to try to get an open source med-tech group started while I finish my own scientific training.

      Its a complicated problem, but I think a few individuals with a little bit of ingenuity will go a long way. We've seen how small groups of people have changed the world before. In the end it takes a strong community willing to stand up for their ideals to turn the tides. Will it happen in the next 5 years? Probably not. But if we don't try now, its never going to just miraculously right itself.

      Sorry for the long-winded / ranting response.

    4. Re:In many countries, no bribery = no business by toppavak · · Score: 4, Informative

      Universal nut shellers in Uganda. I worked with an NGO to create a self-sustaining social enterprise that manufactures and sells nut shellers (at profit) to peanut growers in the country. We never gave a single bribe (we couldn't afford to even if we needed to!). Its hard, yes, but its not impossible.

    5. Re:In many countries, no bribery = no business by cenc · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Sorry, but you miss the fact that most of these economies would not function without bribery. There simply is not sufficient rewards for people to do their job.

      For example, an official that only makes a few hundred dollars a month. Are you really expecting them to give a dam when their family is starving?

      Corruption in many places is simply market forces at work, where the market does not work.

  3. par for the course by Pompatus · · Score: 4, Insightful

    There are quite a few countries who's culture is substantially different from the United States in which bribery is considered standard business practice. If you dont bribe an official in one of those countries, you dont get anything done.

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    1. Re:par for the course by value_added · · Score: 2, Informative

      There are quite a few countries who's culture is substantially different from the United States in which bribery is considered standard business practice. If you dont bribe an official in one of those countries, you dont get anything done.

      No doubt true, but what's standard business practices today may not be the same tomorrow. Banking secrecy laws in countries like Switzerland, for example, have long been considered inviolate, but that's hardly the case today, is it? Chances are good that even more changes are coming.

      As for corruption, I'd suggest that the choices made by businesses are just that: choices. You can debate their relative merits and/or provide rationalisations, but ultimately, those choices remain subject to law. The overarching issue, then, becomes one of enforcement.

      For those who aren't news junkies or C-SPAN fans, the following, taken from a randomly selected link, may offer some insight as to the direction the new administration may be headed:

      To the extent there is a shift in prosecutorial priorities by the new administration, it is likely that this shift will not be felt in 2009. This is largely because the current leaders of DOJ, SEC and FBI already have declared their intention to step up FCPA enforcement in 2009. For example, DOJ recently announced that it expects the trend of increased enforcement to increase in 2009, "given the significant number of matters that we have under investigation. The number of individual prosecutions has risen, and that is not an accident. It is our view that to have a credible deterrent effect, people have to go to jail. People have to be prosecuted where appropriate. This is a federal crime, it's not fun and games." 54/ Federal agencies such as the FBI have budgeted increased expenditures for FCPA enforcement in 2009. 55/ If there is relief in sight from the new administration, it is not readily apparent for 2009.

    2. Re:par for the course by telso · · Score: 2, Insightful
      Culture substantially different? The US only passed a law banning this in 1977, Canada in 1988, while until 1998 Germany made such bribes tax deductible! It's called schmiergelder:

      Schmiergelder was the official name designated under German tax law permitting middlemen to deduct from their incomes bribes or any other payments to foreigners to secure the sale of German products. These deductions were called necessary business expenses. Schmiergelder is translated literally as "grease money".

      The practice of paying schmiergelder was permitted until 1998 when Germany joined other European countries in a pact prohibiting the payment of grease money to foreign public officials. Germany expanded the ban in 2002 to include more than just public officials; it now prohibited paying Schmiergelder to anyone in a foreign country in a decision-making role.

      So let's not pretend this is just Third World countries and the Western World is completely ethical.

  4. I love this law by erroneus · · Score: 4, Interesting

    It's a law that is almost never followed by companies that do business overseas. And the reason they cite for doing it? Other companies are not bound by such laws and are free to engage in such practices which gives the other companies a "competitive advantage." It is practically chinese national culture that bribery occurs and is quite expected.

    But the other reason I love this law is that charges associated with it often disappear with "healthy contributions" to party and individual campaign funds.

  5. Funny story about bribery by cptnapalm · · Score: 4, Informative

    In my home state there are laws against bribery and corruption of course. One of them pertains to gifts. Included in the banned gifts are food. The rule is that you cannot accept food (usually cookies) from anyone unless you eat it in front of them.

    Now that last bit sounds odd, doesn't it. Obviously, the rules do allow you to accept a gift of food if you eat in front of them. So, in practice, this means that if you accept cookies for going the extra mile for somebody, you are CORRUPT and UNETHICAL!!! If, on the other hand, you are a politician and getting bought dinner by a lobbyist, you are a force for righteousness.

    Apparently.

    1. Re:Funny story about bribery by T+Murphy · · Score: 2, Informative

      Maybe change it so the only acceptable food is in the form of one cookie. That way people are free to show their appreciation, but it would be difficult for a lobbyist to do much since there is only so much someone is willing to do for an Oreo.

  6. Frontline Covered this Recently by CodeBuster · · Score: 4, Informative

    For those of you who are interested and have not already seen it, the Foreign Corrupt Practices act and international bribery by large corporations and wealthy individuals was covered in the "Black Money" episode on Frontline. Obviously the Sun case, coming to light more recently and being much smaller than the frauds discussed in the documentary, is not mentioned, but the Sun case is just another smaller instance of a much larger problem.

  7. There are other folks who think like you . . . by PolygamousRanchKid+ · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Transparency International: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transparency_International and http://www.transparency.org/

    It's a tough road to take, but if everybody tolerates corruption, it ain't gonna go away, and it certainly hurts more than it helps.

    Bribery stories are my favorite from folks doing business overseas. In order to avoid direct bribery, some companies hire local "consultants," who get paid an obscene fee to help land the contract. What they do with their money doesn't concern the company paying the fee; the bribe is indirect.

    My all time favorite was from a government auditor who visited Korea to check up on three local suppliers to the US military. The suppliers made dinner arrangements, and told the auditor where to meet them. When he arrived at the restaurant, there were the three suppliers, with four prostitutes seated at the table, with one empty seat.

    What's so funny? The auditor had brought his wife along to see Korea, and came with him to the restaurant. One prostitute got her pay early, and the mood at the table afterwards was uncomfortable.

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  8. Corruption == Poor Government by sirwired · · Score: 2, Informative

    This is not an instance of "cultural arrogance." It has absolutely nothing to do with the modern exportation of democracy. Instead, it is the exportation of the Rule of Law (at least, in instances where it is in our best economic and political interests.)

    Corruption by government officials has been a problem as long as there has been government. There are certainly many countries in which bribery of the bureaucracy is endemic and pragmatically accepted as a fact of life, but I know of none where it is considered harmless. I know of no government, period, that does not have a law against domestic bribery of the bureaucracy.

    Unstable and corruption-ridden foreign government makes international trade very difficult and expensive for both parties.