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Microsoft Raises $3.8B in Bond Sale

pfleming writes "Microsoft quietly, or not so quietly, raised some cheap cash in bond sales yesterday. For a company that already has a huge cash war chest and doesn't carry debt, what is the incentive to sell nearly $4 billion in bonds? From the article: 'Microsoft is sitting on $25 billion in cash, so the company doesn't need the bond proceeds "unless they have something big in mind," says Reena Aggarwal, professor of finance at Georgetown University's McDonough School of Business.'"

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  1. Yahoo by nicolas.kassis · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Obvious first idea.

    1. Re:Yahoo by tcopeland · · Score: 3, Informative

      > Yahoo

      Steve Ballmer just did a session at the Stanford Entrepreneurial Thought Leaders Seminar where he was asked about the Yahoo acquisition. He said something to the effect of "I still think it was a good idea". Who knows, maybe you're right...

    2. Re:Yahoo by eln · · Score: 5, Funny

      But they could buy Yahoo for the change in Bill Gates' couch cushions. If they wait 6 months, they could buy Yahoo from the change in Steve Ballmer's couch cushions. Maybe they're planning on buying the Justice Department outright to avoid any future "misunderstandings".

    3. Re:Yahoo by EvilToiletPaper · · Score: 5, Funny

      they could buy Yahoo from the change in Steve Ballmer's couch cushions.

      I don't think you're aware of how Ballmer treats seating furniture.

      Read Slashdot comments from Sep'05 on any MS related article for more insight into this matter.

    4. Re:Yahoo by MightyMartian · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I'm fairly certain that EU and US regulators (along with many others) would probably shoot down any attempt at gaining such a footing with Apple down. Apple is the only other meaningful player in the desktop market (albeit still something of a bit player), and the anti-competitive nature of having MS pulling even the smallest strings at Apple would be the equivalent of a naked guy holding a piece of steak between his buttocks and shouting at the guard dog, "Come 'n' get it!"

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    5. Re:Yahoo by NoStarchPlox · · Score: 3, Informative

      That would have to be one hell of a stock swap since IBM's current market cap is $137 billion.

    6. Re:Yahoo by jonbryce · · Score: 2, Informative

      Microsoft's market capitalisation is $177bn, Apples is $111bn, so there is almost as much chance of Apple buying Microsoft as there is of Microsoft buying Apple.

      Also, Apple has slightly more cash in the bank than Microsoft - $24.49bn vs $23.66bn.

    7. Re:Yahoo by jonbryce · · Score: 2, Insightful

      They are not on the list of major shareholders - http://finance.yahoo.com/q/mh?s=AAPL , they might own something, but certainly not anything significant.

    8. Re:Yahoo by fm6 · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Some relevant numbers:

      Yahoo Market Cap: $21B
      Current Microsoft cash reserves: $24B
      Last MS offer for Yahoo: $44B

      Against numbers like these, it's difficult to see how Microsoft having, or not having, an extra $3B, would make any difference. Either way, they'd have to borrow at least half of the purchase price.

      I suspect that the Microsoft CFO is just playing the usually games that CFOs play. These guys are always shifting money around. When you've got that much cash, you can't just leave it in a bank account — even minor tweaks in the way you stash it can save you (or cost you) millions.

      One possibility: they're borrowing money at a low interest rate in order to retire debts that are carrying a higher interest rate.

    9. Re:Yahoo by jason.sweet · · Score: 5, Funny

      There you go again - messing up a perfectly good theory with logic and facts. You should probably lurk for a while until you get an idea of how things work around here.

    10. Re:Yahoo by truthsearch · · Score: 2, Insightful

      The DoJ just announced they'll be paying more attention to anti-trust issues in general (apparently a reversal of a Bush mandate). So now may be a bad time for MS to scoop up the competition, even if Yahoo is currently at a bargain price. There's now a higher chance the purchase would be blocked, or later anti-trust action could be taken if they're not careful.

    11. Re:Yahoo by artemis67 · · Score: 4, Interesting

      I agree; rumors are abounding that Microsoft will release the Zune Phone this year. Apple sold almost 4.5 million iPhones in the fourth quarter last year, compared with Microsoft selling about 6 million XBox 360's... it's a segment that Microsoft will not ignore any longer.

      No doubt they will treat a Zune Phone like the original XBox... force the establishment of the brand by sinking an ungodly amount of money into the division, and hope to become profitable in succeeding generations of the device.

    12. Re:Yahoo by guyminuslife · · Score: 2, Funny

      GM.

      Or, as we will know it, "Microsoft Cars."

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    13. Re:Yahoo by guyminuslife · · Score: 3, Insightful

      That's what I'd put my ($4B) money on.

      Mobile devices threaten their desktop business in the long term. What's the one reason people (present company excluded) would ever switch away from Windows? Apps. And they've got the game market by the balls. What's are developers making for commercial phones? Apps. And games especially. See where this is going?

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    14. Re:Yahoo by darkpixel2k · · Score: 4, Funny

      The DoJ just announced they'll be paying more attention to anti-trust issues in general (apparently a reversal of a Bush mandate). So now may be a bad time for MS to scoop up the competition, even if Yahoo is currently at a bargain price. There's now a higher chance the purchase would be blocked, or later anti-trust action could be taken if they're not careful.

      The DoJ just announced they'll be paying more attention to anti-trust issues in general. So now may be a good time for MS to bribe a few government officials...

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    15. Re:Yahoo by khellendros1984 · · Score: 3, Funny

      Windows-like "openness"?? Are we using the same OS?

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    16. Re:Yahoo by fm6 · · Score: 4, Informative

      Oops. You're quite correct.

      Here's the explanation on Bloomberg:

      Microsoft... plans to help fund a $40 billion share repurchase program, as well as build data centers to help narrow the gap with Internet search leader Google Inc. Microsoft has also said it wants to amass cash as a weak economy provides opportunities to acquire small and midsize companies.

    17. Re:Yahoo by fm6 · · Score: 2, Informative

      I knew that MS didn't have any debt. But somehow my feeble brain didn't connect that with the idea that they couldn't have any outstanding bonds...

      Anyway, we're both wrong. Bloomberg is reporting that it's mostly about stock buyback, along with a little capital improvement and being prepared for any small companies they can grab at today's discount prices.

    18. Re:Yahoo by mgblst · · Score: 2, Funny

      I hope they do treat it like the first xbox, and release a modified laptop in a huge case, with a speaker and mic stapled on.

  2. The name is... by Geoffrey.landis · · Score: 5, Funny

    The name is bonds... Microsoft Bonds.

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    1. Re:The name is... by microbee · · Score: 5, Funny

      Somehow "micro" "soft" don't sit very well with "Bond".

  3. Question by egr · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Where can I buy this bond?

    1. Re:Question by Lord+Ender · · Score: 2, Interesting

      JP Morgan Chase. They probably won't talk to you unless you have many thousands to invest, though.

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    2. Re:Question by cynical+kane · · Score: 5, Informative

      No, any bond broker should carry them. E*Trade has some for offer right now. And you don't need "many thousands". You do need one thousand, though, as bonds are typically sold with a face value of $1000.

    3. Re:Question by Lord+Ender · · Score: 2, Insightful

      "J.P. Morgan and Morgan Stanley led the bond sale."

      http://www.marketwatch.com/story/microsoft-announces-first-ever-bond-offering

      Sure, you can buy pieces on the secondary market. But that's true of just about anything.

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  4. SAP by twistedemotions · · Score: 4, Insightful

    German software company SAP appears to be a possible target.

    1. Re:SAP by revlayle · · Score: 4, Funny

      The only positive of that, is MAYBE MS would kill off Business Objects once and for all (yes, I know, a pipe dream)

    2. Re:SAP by Deag · · Score: 4, Funny

      No no they are building the solar train, the numbers add up.

    3. Re:SAP by rackserverdeals · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Even IBM won't buy SAP and I think it's unlikely that MS would. Or at least I think it would be a bad idea.

      SAP doesn't look like a good buy. SAP stockholders would want a premium over it's current share price and at 48 billion bucks it doesn't look attractive for a company that only has only $16 billion in annual revenue.

      It's not a big discount like other companies, such as Sun, that really took a beating recently in the market.

      The Oracle/Sun deal might hurt SAP but with their revenue and profit it's still good to be SAP, but with their market cap, it's not good to buy SAP in my opinion.

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    4. Re:SAP by Achromatic1978 · · Score: 2, Funny

      Ye gods. And replace it with SAP? Talk about "six of one, half a dozen of the other".

  5. My theory. by Capt.DrumkenBum · · Score: 5, Funny

    8 Billion to buy Sun out from under Oracle.
    The rest for the antitrust lawsuits.

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  6. Buyout? by Xoron101 · · Score: 5, Funny

    Maybe they want to buy GM?

    1. Re:Buyout? by ausekilis · · Score: 3, Funny

      Just what we need, Microsoft Hummer.

      First they were big, resource-intensive, and used by people oblivious to what's around them. Now they'll blue-screen at the drop of a dime or pop up a dialog for you to confirm you really meant to use the brake pedal.

    2. Re:Buyout? by NatasRevol · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Give them 4x their current holdings, I bet most would sell.

      4x$1B == $4B

      See the connection?

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    3. Re:Buyout? by corbettw · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Darwin approves of this merger.

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    4. Re:Buyout? by Locutus · · Score: 5, Funny

      so they can finally build that perfect Microsoft Car... As the story goes, it would work like this:

      1. For no reason at all, your car would crash twice a day.

      2. Every time they repainted the lines on the road, you'd have to buy a new car.

      3. Ocasionally, when executing a maneuver such as making a left-turn would cause the car to shut down and refuse to start, and you would have to reinstall the engine. ...well, you should know the rest of the gig.

      LoB

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  7. Perhaps they want to show debt for some reason? by erroneus · · Score: 3, Insightful

    While it may be true that they just want to buy something big (like politicians, judges, executive-branch officers) what if they merely wanted to show that they had X amount in debt for some other reason like taxes or some such thing?

    1. Re:Perhaps they want to show debt for some reason? by jd · · Score: 2, Interesting

      There needs to be a "-1 sad but +1 true" mod option.

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  8. Incentive by DoofusOfDeath · · Score: 5, Interesting

    It may be that they're hedging their bets against a possible dry spell in their business. Better to get the cash now, while their bond rating is good and they can get a low interest rate, than trying to issue bonds when they're not looking so hot.

    1. Re:Incentive by cabjf · · Score: 2, Insightful

      So they wait until after Vista and in the middle of the recession? Is this a bet that Windows 7 somehow might not deliver like they want or need it to? I think they're looking to do something with the money, not sit on it for a rainy day.

  9. Simple by overshoot · · Score: 4, Interesting
    Right now, it's money for nothing and the stock market is way down. Buy stocks with cheap money, and a year from now the ROI is great.

    Of course, they may also be starting their business model conversion, a la Control Data Corporation. The software monopoly may not last forever, after all, and this is a cheap way to hedge their bets.

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    1. Re:Simple by Darth_brooks · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Pretty much. I think in terms of the markets, everyone is slowly coming to the conclusion that we're not going to be moving to the "gold bar, shotgun shell, and hard liquor" currency standard any time soon. Now everyone's looking to turn a few bucks.

      Besides, with so much cash on hand Microsoft bonds are just ungodly attractive. Especially after the past few years of "these 15,000 crappy mortgages bundled together are a totally sound investment, we swear!" or "Of course GM and Chrysler are going to make good on these bonds. The fact that Vinnie the loanshark thinks the rates are exorbitant means nothing. These are solid American institutions!"

      Seriously, even if the cash on hand at MS has been dropping for a while they're still an attractive buy. In this market, a company with 25 billion cash on hand that wants to raise another five or six billion is like throwing a drunk Brad Pitt to Oprah's studio audience.

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  10. Refunds by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Funny

    The Bonds will fund refunds for Vista, and Windows 7 from consumers who want to downgrade to XP, or upgrade to Ubuntu.

  11. Moon base by Reality+Master+201 · · Score: 5, Funny

    They're moving off planet to avoid problems with anti-trust regulation. Also, chairs thrown from the moon will have much greater impact on earth based targets.

  12. Their cash pile is dropping by mangu · · Score: 4, Insightful

    $25 billion seems like a lot, but it used to be more than that.

    The important thing to note here is the trend, not the current value.

    1. Re:Their cash pile is dropping by pfleming · · Score: 4, Informative

      And that article states they purposefully reduced cash by buying back outstanding stock and paying dividends - they didn't lose it all...

  13. Re:That's just fiscally stupid. by Geoffrey.landis · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Given ALL the problems we see with corporations that carry debt, why on earth Microsoft would want to piss away a giant cash reserve AND borrow money...

    Because debt is really cheap right now.

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  14. What "Cash"? by AK+Marc · · Score: 4, Insightful

    No company sits on cash. They don't put it under a mattress. They invest it. If they are making 5% more in investing than the bonds cost, then why not borrow to invest? I've seen other huge companies borrow to invest, and there are whole classes of scam-sounding TV commercials about get rich quick with nothing down that are exactly that.

    Other than that, there is no real reason to raise capital, unless they had an accountant that made them bid for cash against the investment opportunity and some $4 billion project decided to just borrow externally rather than get charged against a higher rate for taking internal money. But that's internal mumbo jumbo that just goes back to the initial point above, where it's being borrowed because the cost of bonds is lower than using the warchest. There exists nothing that could tap the entire cash reserve in a reasonably short enough time to justify bonds at this point unless they were buying Bolivia or something.

  15. They have a AAA rating by Actually,+I+do+RTFA · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Microsoft has a AAA rating. At this point in time, people are desperate for a safe place to park their money. Interest rates are low. Simply by holding onto it in cash now, they're betting they can make back the interest plus some later. And if deflation occurs, woo-hoo!

    It'd be foolish not to borrow money given how cheap it is now, and how it's not likely to last at that level.

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  16. Its not about acquisition by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

    Microsoft is becoming a mature company and they are operating like one. The will use this money to repurchase their own stock while it is at a discount. They will then keep the dividends on the stock for the company. This will continue until the stock price gets high again. They will then resell the stock for a profit and resources when they need it.

    Yes, I am a trader.

  17. It is not uncommon to do this.. by Chyeld · · Score: 4, Interesting

    At least, the companies I've all worked for have all done business in this manner:

    Have a fairly large cash reserve which is your 'emergency' fund. When you need to aquire a company or other such big ticket item, borrow. Even if you have the cash, investors consider how you are leveraging your credit when looking at whether to buy your stock and being under leveraged is just as bad as being over leveraged (cause you are letting money that could work for you just sit idle, stunting your earnings).

  18. Re:That's just fiscally stupid. by FooAtWFU · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Actually, Microsoft can probably get a pretty good deal on debt, considering how safe they are and how risky everyone else looks. This is a way to exploit an advantage they have right now, and they can wait for a chance to use it in the future. They must think that the interest on a bond must be cheaper than waiting (or waiting-and-spending-their-own-cash. since cash is a handy buffer and a hedge against risk in These Turbulent Economic Times (tm) and possibly worth it.)

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  19. Perhaps by Dyinobal · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Perhaps they plan to buy part of the wireless spectrum out from under the noses of google.

  20. For acquisitions? Doubtful by PPH · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Because of the recent changes in antitrust enforcement policy, I don't think they are planning to do too many acquisitions.

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  21. It's called the cost of capital by alen · · Score: 3, Interesting

    and raising money via debt is the cheapest way to run a company. every project has a cost of capital usually calculated by the direct monetary cost, estimated returns, etc.

    debt with it's low interest rates is the cheapest

    retained earnings or cash in the bank is more expensive because investors expect growing earnings

    selling stock is the most expensive due to expected returns

    a lot of companies like GE have borrowed at short term rates and simply rerolled the debt every time it matured paying low rates. nice until 2008 and GE's rates shot up to almost 10%.

  22. Incorrect assessment. by downix · · Score: 4, Informative

    The article claims MSFT is sitting on $25 million in cash. This is frankly false. What MSFT is sitting on is $25 million in "Cash and Short Term Savings." In short, a combination of Cash and Stock prices, which are not being adjusted as the companies values go up and down, and do not need to be adjusted to actual street value at the present time. What they do have is $8 billion in cash on hand, down from $12 billion a year prior (as of latest SEC filing in March). If I'd lost 1/3rd of my cash in less than a year, I'd be doing a bond right now as well.

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    1. Re:Incorrect assessment. by Bazouel · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I think you should replace some M with B in your comment ;)

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  23. Money is cheap. by feepness · · Score: 2, Interesting

    If I could borrow $4B at the rates MSFT is getting I'd run out and get it too. Then they invest the money later (remember they are already investing $25B) and end up with a positive return.

    This is just accountants shuffling paper. Nothing to see here.

  24. Steve Ballmer's Chair Budget by ErikTheRed · · Score: 2, Funny

    I'm investing my life savings in Seattle-based office furniture retailers.

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  25. Re:It's obvious by sentientbeing · · Score: 2, Funny

    Thats a ridiculous idea.

    He wouldnt sell well in international markets.

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  26. Advertising compaign? Or...? by yurik · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I can see a few alternatives:

    * Advertising
        "Windows better than everything..." advertising campaign might be one. Massive consumer bombardment with "Windows 7" ads similar to what they did with Windows 95.

    * Hardware
        Microsoft might follow Apple and Oracle, and start making their own hardware. Massively parallel chips geared towards both the vector and regular computations would be one idea.

    Alternatively, their own servers (totally not their market segment, plus they will aggravate their relationship with Dell and others, so this is less likely.

    * M & A...
        Buying Yahoo? Or better yet - Novel? That would be an interesting development. Novel has very little influence compared to their former glory, yet some of their technology (Moonlight?) might be valuable to MS. So instead of discrediting Mono project, MS might simply jump on it and start offering various open source solutions ... I know I'm daydreaming...

  27. Re:That's just fiscally stupid. by jayhawk88 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I'm guessing that Microsoft has about 4 dozen guys that know so much about finance, they would literally make you slit your wrists should you ever be matched up against them in a test of financial knowledge. Maybe, just maybe, they know what they're doing more than some random dude Slashdotting from work.

  28. I have 3 words for you. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

    Duke. Nukem. Forever.

  29. Re:That's just fiscally stupid. by FooAtWFU · · Score: 4, Insightful

    You know what else is cheap right now? Microsoft stock. Compared to last year, anyway (it's down a third)... and possibly compared to next year? They could invest in themselves: buy back company stock now while debt is N%, possibly leaving the (remaining) shareholders with a more-than-N-% return several years down the line when their stock rises due to other reasons.

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  30. I am more concerned about... by Lead+Butthead · · Score: 2, Funny

    Microsoft Bondage.

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  31. This is just corporate finance by Stuntmonkey · · Score: 4, Insightful

    The why of this is fairly straightforward from a financial standpoint. Companies can raise money from two sources: Equity and debt. The cost of debt is obvious (the interest rate). The cost of equity is less obvious but very real: Investors demand a particular total rate of return on the money they invest in a stock, either in the form of dividend payments or retained earnings (appreciation in the value of the stock). If the total rate of return from your stock is less than what the market demands (based on its perception of how risky you are), then your stock price will fall until the desired rate of return is met. Typical long-term total return from the stock market is 9-10%, and for a tech company most investors will want more because of the perceived risk.

    Anyway, the point is that when interest rates are low, it's a lot cheaper to get money from debt markets than from equity markets. So the smart CFO will borrow money and use it to buy back (and retire) stock. If you're a shareholder you like this in net, because although the company now has debt to pay back (a liability which decreases the value of your shares), the positive impact on value from having fewer shares outstanding outweighs it. The only downside to this strategy is that interest on debt must be paid back on a defined schedule -- bond holders aren't willing to defer their payoff like equity investors are (and consequently bond investors make lower returns on average). GM is an object lesson in getting squeezed this way. Many tech companies avoid long-term debt as a result; they don't like the ongoing obligation. If anything this move by Microsoft signals to the market that they've become a stable business that is confident in its long-term ability to generate cash.

  32. Re:Oh please, those can be bought for peanuts by The+End+Of+Days · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Just so you know, big businesses are owned by "ordinary citizens."

  33. Re:That's just fiscally stupid. by Red+Flayer · · Score: 5, Funny

    Given ALL the problems we see with corporations that carry debt, why on earth Microsoft would want to piss away a giant cash reserve AND borrow money given an extremely rough competitive landscape seems to be the worst decision made in the history of the company.

    Actually, now is a great time to issue bonds. Interest rates are extremely low (particularly for well-rated bonds which MS bonds assuredly will be) so if they can expect even a modest return on the bonds, they'll do well.

    My gut tells me that this is a hedge against inflation, not a cash-raising effort for some diabolical plan.

    On the other hand, this may be part of Gatus's effort to collaborate with Joba to create the One True OS with Global Web Search in order to stop Googol the Destroyer.

    When last we saw our heroes they had embarked on their quest to stop Googol the Destroyer and his infernal plan to invoke the End of Days via the Rite of a Million Targeted Ads, but the rogue druid Stallmanx was hampering their efforts by biasing the common sorceror against them.

    "Joba," the Oracle at Redwood Shores proclaimed, "You must harness the power of all the sorcerors of the land to stop Googol. Only by having them all contribute to the One True yada-yada can you stop Googol. I have spoken!"

    And so Joba consulted with Gatus. "Gatus, how can we get all the other sorcerors to contribute? They don't like us, that bearded wretch Stallmanx has turned them all against us."

    Gatus thought and thought, but in the end he resorted to his base nature... "I will buy the sorcerors we need! I'm short of cash though, I need another 5 billion. Maybe I could issue some bonds.".

    Intrigued, Joba responded. "Yes, you can buy the greedy ones. I can use my powers of seduction and envy to make them all want to be like me. Yes, I will subvert the Ministers of Fashion to convert the low self-esteem rabble to our cause."

    And so Gatus and Joba began to plan.

    Meanwhile, the crack team of evil underlords at Google were busy with their database of potential ways for the world to be saved, and developing their counter-strategies. The acolytes of Googol the Destroyer were busily releasing the Webcrawling Spiders of Damnation upon the world, to catch information to sacrifice to their terrible leader, who devoured data with great appetite and gobsmacking satisfaction.

    But Stallmanx is quiet... what is he working on in his secret laboratory? What nefarious ritual is he preparing to thwart our heroes? Will Joba and Gatus be able to overcome his resistance? Will we ever find out what wonders lie beneath the surface of Stallmanx's Beard of Druidic Prowess? Can Googol the Destroyer be thwarted?

    Tune in to next week's episode of Google the Destroyer!

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  34. The whispers are saying, "VMware". by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Interesting
    "VMware" will announce its first layoffs in June. Microsoft is now hovering like a vulture, waiting to scoop up "VMware".

    Microsoft does not want to spend its cash hoard of $25 billion when the interest rate on bonds is essentially at zero -- relative to inflation.

  35. The truth: It's Apple by gnasher719 · · Score: 4, Funny

    Apple made Microsoft a present: One iPod for every Microsoft employee. $3.8 bn is the money that Microsoft needs now to fill these iPods with music :-)

  36. Re:MOD PARENT UP by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Funny

    Yes I do hate Jesus, that son of a bitch hasn't shown up for work for 2000 years now..

  37. Darl said... by sherpajohn · · Score: 2, Funny

    that's how much its gonna cost to bail out SCO.

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  38. Re:That's just fiscally stupid. by Ungrounded+Lightning · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Given ALL the problems we see with corporations that carry debt, why on earth Microsoft would want to piss away a giant cash reserve AND borrow money ...?

    Perhaps they're expecting significant inflation, or even hyperinflation, of dollars (as is everybody with the least clue about the theories of the Austrian school of economics.)

    Interest rates are massively depressed by the "printing press money" currently pouring out of Washington. The expectation that the money will devalue drastically over the next couple quarters to couple years (especially now that China has stopped buying US bonds). Meanwhile the artificially depressed (compared to borrowing only savings) interest rates continue the diversion of "stuff" from where it can build infrastructure to make a future profit and into either projects that can't be finished or won't have customers when they're done or immediate consumption. This turns a recession into a depression. It's exactly what happened to create the Great Depression, but the government is doing it more this time around and with no safety net from a gold standard - so the US could end up more like Weimar Germany than the US of the '30s.

    If you believe that, the logical thing to do is to grab some of the dollars at the low interest rate before the inflation gets figured into their price and use them to buy assets that won't inflate or disintegrate in a depression. Pick off undervalued resources - commodities, potentially profitable companies, etc. Then when the inflation hits, cash things like your gold reserves and pay off the notes in inflated dollars.

    To give you an idea of what hyperinflation is like: In the first year and a half after the Treaty of Versaille's reparation section took effect, the money inflated so much that, were it to happen here, a $200,000 mortgage could be paid off completely for the price of a slice of toast. (Over 9 years it inflated by a trillion-to-one, before they instituted a new money that was more solidly backed.)

    = = =

    Then again:
      - Maybe they see an acquisition target and need a bit more cash.
      - Maybe they ARE, or expect to become, an acquisition target (due to the cash reserves and an expectation of a stock price drop) and are working on looking less attractive. B-)

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  39. Re:That's just fiscally stupid. by lymond01 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I'm guessing that Microsoft has about 4 dozen guys that know so much about finance, they know what they're doing more than some random dude Slashdotting from work.

    Unlike Microsoft's marketing department...

  40. Re:That's just fiscally stupid. by Achromatic1978 · · Score: 4, Informative

    Microsoft is currently working on a $40B stock buy back, having recently completed ANOTHER $40B stock buy back. That's the amusing thing about the people who say that Apple is getting bigger than MS, based purely on cash in hand. Yes, MSFT "only" has $25B cash. That's after buying back $80B of stock.

  41. Re:That's just fiscally stupid. by FooRat · · Score: 2, Interesting

    True, but to be fair, you could also have said that about most the big corps that have collapsed over the last year or two before they went belly-up.

  42. It's just an intilial investment.... by lordofthechia · · Score: 4, Funny

    MS is just getting enough cash to run a round of 2 million "Laptop Hunters" commercials.

    "We told everybody in the state of New Mexico, you find a laptop for under $2000, you keep it."

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  43. Re:That's just fiscally stupid. by Foredecker · · Score: 3, Insightful

    MSFT can make more money investing its existing cash. Its the same kind of trade off an individual may make: Do I invest my money? Or pay down my mortgage? if you mortgage rate is very low, then it makes more sense to invest your cash.

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  44. It's obvious by SnarfQuest · · Score: 2, Funny

    They are going to buy SCO.

    Once the IBM lawsuit is over, they'll be getting thaat 4 bilion from the settlement, and they'll also be getting that $650 from every Linux user, so they'll be rolling in cash.

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  45. Re:That's just fiscally stupid. by PitaBred · · Score: 4, Insightful

    No matter how smart an individual man is, you get them into groups and they can collectively do a lot of stupid things. I mean, Microsoft also though that Microsoft Bob was a good idea.

  46. Telecommunications by pandrijeczko · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I'm betting we'll see a Microsoft acquisition of a telecoms company, probably the currently, very injured Nortel.

    I'm in the telecoms space myself (I won't name which company on here so please don't ask me) and we've seen a lot of push by Microsoft with Office Communicator - which also happens to have been designed with proprietary VoIP codecs that allow Nortel connectivity but lock every other VoIP system provider out.

    Cisco is obviously very big in the telecoms space now but from a technology and feature perspective, they are still very much behind some of the "traditional" telecoms companies - so there are a number of potential buyers for Nortel who have a huge amount of experience in the telecoms space.

    Microsoft is very much the "new kid on the block" when it comes to telephony so acquiring Nortel would give them a big push in that field.

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  47. Effectiveness of share repurchases by schmiddy · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Assuming share repurchasing is really the intent here, and that's not a bad guess, let me offer a contrarian view to your rosy perspective to MSFT's move.

    By borrowing dollars in the bond market to fund a share buyback, MSFT's board is effectively using borrowed money to place a wager that the market is currently undervaluing MSFT's stock. By choosing to throw their extra cash, along with borrowed dollars, at this share buyback scheme, MSFT is betting that they can predict the future better than the market.

    What would be really great is if someone had done a study of the effect of share buybacks undertaken by S&P 500 companies, to test whether they work at all. Oh wait, S&P itself has. If you're a MSFT shareholder, ask yourself whether MSFT should be using their extra cash to pay dividends instead of embarking on harebrained schemes like this. Actually, I take that back -- you'd probably prefer they spend money buying back their own shares and paying bond interest rather than flushing it down the Zune toilet.

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  48. Re:That's just fiscally stupid. by jollyreaper · · Score: 3, Insightful

    I'm guessing that Microsoft has about 4 dozen guys that know so much about finance, they would literally make you slit your wrists should you ever be matched up against them in a test of financial knowledge. Maybe, just maybe, they know what they're doing more than some random dude Slashdotting from work.

    You could have said the same thing about Enron ten years ago. :)

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  49. Re:-1 wrong by downix · · Score: 2, Informative

    I'm in agreement that it is wrong, but that is what it says in the SEC filings for Microsoft. They have $18 million as of March 31st in "Short Term Investments", which can and does include stock, treasury bills, and short term cd's. Microsoft's listings of Short Term Investments also includes securities held as collateral, several billion worth. So, we are looking at an aged company, it is no longer operating on rapid growth, but is instead locking down in preparation for a recession and possible product rollout over the next 6 months. It is a watershed day for Microsoft, it has finally grown up.

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  50. Replying to my self by Capt.DrumkenBum · · Score: 2, Funny

    I had another idea.
    Maybe Microsoft is finally going to buy a vacuum cleaner company, so they can put out a product that doesn't suck.

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  51. Obviouser by denzacar · · Score: 4, Funny

    Hookers and blackjack.

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  52. Just so you know... by copponex · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Just so you know, big business corporations are run by ordinary people like the old monarchies were run by ordinary people. There is no difference between kings and CEOs, archdukes and VPs, and the boardroom and the royal court, except that passing of the crown isn't automatically done from father to son. The King appoints people, based on connections instead of merit. They all vote themselves raises, work their serfs as hard as they can, and every once in a while a new fiefdom is formed that turns into pretty much the same structure. It's more just than a straight monarchy, but it's really not that different.

    I hope that we shall crush in its birth the aristocracy of our monied corporations, which dare already to challenge our government to a trial of strength, and bid defiance to the laws of our country.
    -Thomas Jefferson, Bedwetting Liberal

    The same thing has been true since the beginning of time. When people pass on wealth to their descendants, you end up with a bunch of rich, clueless, greedy idiots running the show, who never serve but send people to war, who never starve but lobby for the destruction of welfare, and who never work but demand the end of Social Security.

    Inevitably, the disparity of wealth and the skewed use of a nations resources to attend to the "needs" of these Hapsburg inbreds leads to a revolution, and then whole process is repeated. Corporations just allow us to pretend there isn't a monarchy. The fact that they are run by people doesn't prove anything.

  53. Re:It's obvious by 3vi1 · · Score: 2, Funny

    Not just difficult, it would be a miracle.

  54. Re:That's just fiscally stupid. by twostix · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Companies did this right before the big crash in 1933. Markets appeared to be rallying and capital became available again so companies got a hold of as much as they could before it all went to hell.

    And went to hell it did.

    People who think that in the current atmosphere companies are looking to embark on dangerous and expensive new acquisitions or projects rather than trying to simply get into a position to protect themselves for the next few years appear to have no idea of how unsteady things are in the various economies right now.

    Read a damned bit people! You're supposed to be intellectuals!

  55. Re:MS doesn't need VMware by CAIMLAS · · Score: 5, Interesting

    No, they don't "need" VMware themselves. They have a product which "fits" that niche - "that niche" being Windows desktop and server virtualization products (and only for MS's more expensive OS versions).

    But if you consider the facts of VMware being cross-platform for both host and client OS, supporting a myriad more client operating systems than MS does, and the fact that VMware is working on emulation applications for mobile devices, well: the picture changes somewhat.

    VMware is only competition in the very small world of Windows on Windows emulation. You have a significant diminished return on your hardware when your virtual hardware is sitting on top of a Microsoft OS: you need a lot more hardware.

    Not only that, but VMware is heavily used in Linux by both companies and individuals. They offer the Only mature set of virtualization tools for OS X and Linux. Yes, Linux has KVM and Xen, and there's also Virtualbox - but Linux kernel virtualization lacks a cohesive, 'available' interface for management, and Virtualbox is easily several years behind even VMware workstation in terms of features, stability, and general solidness.

    If MS were to buy VMware, they'd offer it as a move towards expanding their virtualization services to other OSes - to 'infuse' MS tech into VMware products to make them better. Then, the Windows versions of VMware products would slowly become much, much more "windowsy", while the Linux and Mac versions stagnate in features and usability - while useless or half-broken features are added, making the package as a whole less usable. Eventually, they'll be canceled outright.

    That would be a very, very bad thing; after all, we IT folks are trying to move towards a more fully virtualized software/hardware environment: it makes things easier for us. Microsoft, on the other hand, has spent its entire existence making new hardware slow and glitchy with new OS releases. They want to maintain and perpetuate the status quo, which is a world of MS domination in every realm of a network's architecture.

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