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The Hidden Secrets of Online Quizzes

LegionKK points out a story on PC World, sending along this excerpt: "Ultimately, deciding whether you should take an online quiz comes down to a question of trust: Are you comfortable putting your information — personal or financial — into the owner's hands? Remember, even if you don't directly input data, it can be passed along. Such is the case with Facebook, where just opening an application automatically grants its developer access to your entire profile. And don't assume that the developer isn't going to use the information within. [...] The ads can follow you long after you click away, too. Just look at RealAge, a detailed quiz that assigns you a 'biological age' based on your family history and health habits. The site, a recent investigation revealed, takes your most sensitive answers — those about sexual difficulties, say, or signs of depression — and sells them to drug companies looking to market medications."

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  1. Real Age doesn't "sell" your details. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Real Age tells advertisers "would you like us send an email to someone who has lifestyle X, Y, or Z and who wants to receive emails about it" and then sends the promotional information on behalf of the advertiser.

    1. Re:Real Age doesn't "sell" your details. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Funny

      How nice of them to offer this service for free, completely without compensation for their efforts.

    2. Re:Real Age doesn't "sell" your details. by oneirophrenos · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Personally I don't care if company A sells my information to company B to use in advertising, or if company A just uses my personal information to advertise on behalf of company B. It's still assholes using my information to try to make money. And flood my inbox doing it.

      Another good reason not to be on Facebook.

    3. Re:Real Age doesn't "sell" your details. by Dishevel · · Score: 5, Insightful
      They are only assholes to idiots. Do we really need someone to tell us that if I type a bunch of personal info into an idiot application. That comes from God knows where. I can be automatically assured that the information will be used for nothing other than producing a number to tell me how old I am acting?

      If I truly believe that shouldn't the resulting number be around 4?

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    4. Re:Real Age doesn't "sell" your details. by Torvaun · · Score: 3, Informative

      The point is that Real Age is maintaining control of your information. Advertisers aren't learning anything about you. I'm sure they're getting paid for passing the ads along, though.

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    5. Re:Real Age doesn't "sell" your details. by Bigbutt · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Since I use unique e-mails for most everything I do on the 'net, I know when this happens. I've used realage a couple of times and have not received any ads or e-mails to the realage e-mail address.

      The method works as I started getting lots of porn advertising to one of my unique addresses. I sent them an e-mail asking them where they got the address and asking them to stop. They didn't so I filter the address.

      Same with the occasional forum spam. If I forget to hide my e-mail address (done it once), I start getting spam to that address. I filter the address, changed the e-mail and flipped on "hide e-mail". No further spams from that address.

      [John]

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    6. Re:Real Age doesn't "sell" your details. by hobo+sapiens · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I created a Facebook profile just to see what all the hype was about. I was amazed at how many people sent me quizzes and so forth. It really is a pointless waste of time. Just for fun, I took one just to see...and when it asked for my phone number the mission was aborted.

      The people who sent me quizzes are smart people, too. I don't know what it is about finding your IQ, or which Star Wars character you are, or whatever. It obviously gives people some kind of fulfillment that makes it worth surrendering so much personal info. I don't get it.

      I guess facebook has to make money somehow, but the quizzes seem more slimy than just using the regular old ads we are all used to.

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    7. Re:Real Age doesn't "sell" your details. by Dragonslicer · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Another good reason not to be on Facebook.

      You are aware that these things aren't mandatory parts of Facebook, right? It's not all that difficult to just ignore them.

    8. Re:Real Age doesn't "sell" your details. by Runaway1956 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      You're right, JackieBrown, and for the most part, I'm lazy enough to rely on the spam filters.

      But, Bigbutt is a bit smarter than either of us. Using unique email addies enables him to IDENTIFY where the trash is coming from, and to do something about it. Contacting a forum admin, or confronting MySpace or Facebook, or whatever.

      You and me? Because we're lazy, we don't really KNOW where we slipped up, or who is using our personal info, so there's not much we can do - aside from using spam filters. We certainly can't go back and delete accounts and/or personal info in places that we kinda THOUGHT was confidential.

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    9. Re:Real Age doesn't "sell" your details. by vux984 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I don't know what it is about finding your IQ, or which Star Wars character you are, or whatever. It obviously gives people some kind of fulfillment that makes it worth surrendering so much personal info. I don't get it.

      Its because they don't view it as =SUBMITTING= personal info. They view it as a completely local phenomena... like taking a quiz in a magazine. But with the bonus that it tallies up the result for you and clears the form afterward.

      They never connect with the fact that the answers are recorded and stored and attached to their online profile... even if you tell them outright. It just doesn't penetrate.

    10. Re:Real Age doesn't "sell" your details. by dgatwood · · Score: 2, Interesting

      No, most of the tests are user-generated things created with one of a couple of "quiz generator" applications. The IQ test, AFAIK, is not a Facebook app, though its ads and stylemake it look like one. It's a scam to get people to give them their cell phone numbers.

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    11. Re:Real Age doesn't "sell" your details. by shogun · · Score: 3, Informative

      You might want to give the greasmonkey script Facebook Purity a go, it hides all those useless quizes.

    12. Re:Real Age doesn't "sell" your details. by chengiz · · Score: 5, Funny

      I just sold the fact that dgatwood has anal retention issues to Ex-lax.

    13. Re:Real Age doesn't "sell" your details. by ivucica · · Score: 2, Interesting

      In that case, it's a case of horrible UI design.

      Allowing APPLICATION-X access will let it pull your profile information, photos, your friends' info, and other content that it requires to work.

      So, where do I disable access to my profile for APPLICATION-X, but not for all other apps? How do I anonymously give it a test drive? How deeply do I have to dig to disallow all apps the access to my data? When I find it, again, how do I disallow access for APPLICATION-X?

      This is how it should be done:

      Allowing APPLICATIONX access will let it pull your:

      • [x] profile information,
      • [ ] photos,
      • [ ] your friends' info,
      • [ ] and other content

        that it requires to work.

      Was it that hard, Facebook?

      Also, I just noticed. "Your friends' info". Since my friends can see my entire profile ... does that mean an app can see my entire profile just because one of my friend launched it? Note, I didn't launch it. My friend did. How deeply does the access for an application go?

      Perhaps I should once again deactivate my Facebook account. These things are definitely unclear for the end user and until access to private data can be more easily controlled for Facebook Platform applications, it'll stay that way. And rummaging through settings, finding privacy settings, and having them set globally is not my idea of fun. I do want OTHERAPP-Y to access my data. I just don't want APPLICATION-X to access my data...

  2. Facebook by hachete · · Score: 3, Funny

    Are these connected to the Facebook quizzes? a lot of these are infuriatingly ill-spelt.

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    1. Re:Facebook by T+Murphy · · Score: 5, Funny

      That is on purpose to filter out those who will be deterred by advertisements with creative spellings (i.e. v1@gr@). The advertising companies are very concerned about not sending unwanted messages to anyone.

  3. After taking enough of these quizes. . . by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Funny

    After taking enough of these quizes. . .

    . . .the spammers better know enough that I don't need their male enhancement .

    1. Re:After taking enough of these quizes. . . by bwalling · · Score: 5, Funny

      After taking enough of these quizes. . .

      . . .the spammers better know enough that I don't need their male enhancement .

      You're overcompensating to the point that it's obvious you have a problem.

    2. Re:After taking enough of these quizes. . . by stillnotelf · · Score: 3, Funny

      You don't need male enhancement? Did the quizzes show you were female?

  4. Stupid article by ledow · · Score: 5, Insightful

    It's not hard. If you give information, ANY INFORMATION, to anyone for anything you have to check *what* they are going to do with it. This means reading their T&C's, following up all that brings up etc. Or, you can just NOT give out personal information that you don't want spread around.

    In the one instance, this means that when you sign up for a website with username, email or password requested, you should *always* check what's going to happen to that information (e.g. using your email for marketing). On the other hand, when you are logged into Facebook and scary warnings pop up about sharing your information... you should think twice before you agree and/or make sure that you NEVER use that account to post anything personal that you wouldn't want shared.

    This has never been any different. I've filled in paper surveys which distribute the same personal information to God-knows-who-but-probably-only-the-people-listed-in-the-T&C's.

    If you're that worried, don't fill in sexual quizzes on Facebook, or do it under a different identity. To be more honest, given the current state of that site, I'd be more worried that after filling in that kind of quiz, it would blast the results or even my answers to my listed friends and family even if it's just by posting them to my own page. That's a million times worse than having a drug company see a "TRUE" pop up in their advertising database against my Facebook ID. I can ignore the ads...

    1. Re:Stupid article by RR · · Score: 3, Interesting

      It's not hard. If you give information, ANY INFORMATION, to anyone for anything you have to check *what* they are going to do with it. This means reading their T&C's, following up all that brings up etc. Or, you can just NOT give out personal information that you don't want spread around.

      The problem with this approach is that Facebook just grants access to ALL INFORMATION when you accept an app. Whether the program is one of these silly quizzes or actually does something useful, you have to grant them the same level of access.

      Doing the quiz using a fake profile is no good, either. For most of my circle of acquaintances, the quizzes and games are played for the social aspect. Otherwise, do you think you have a personal need to know your alchemical element or Disney princess or whatever? If you’re not careful, your fake profile could become as important as your real profile.

      The articles are really obvious, but they’re important for being an authoritative source that I could point to, so I could explain my position to my friends.

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  5. CowboyNeal by Toe,+The · · Score: 4, Funny

    For some reason, online quizzes always seem to ask me about my predilections for some Cowboy guy...

    1. Re:CowboyNeal by EvilBudMan · · Score: 2, Funny

      Yeah, and now I'm getting Cowboy spam. Like wanting me to buy cheap land out west where you can raise your own Viagra.

  6. I am terrified by Joe+the+Lesser · · Score: 5, Funny

    that it will be known that if I were an X-Man, I would be Storm.

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  7. I never understood.. by DavidChristopher · · Score: 4, Interesting

    ... the need for people to take these quizzes - especially on Facebook - What's your favorite cheese? Which celebrity are you? Does he like you? How Sexy Is Your Name? What Does Your Eye Colour Mean?Some of them are rather clever (RealAge) and yet also evil (RealAge). Okay, maybe not 'kill puppies' evil, but all of these are datamining personal information from the poor suckers that need a webpage to tell them if they're happy or that brown eyes means that they're mysterious. I've been warning folks about this kind of thing for years, to no avail. - Not all apps are trojan horses, but why be a market research tool?

    It would be interesting to see an audit of companies like zynga ( http://www.zynga.com/ - zynga is a purveyor of web based games like Vampires, Texas Holdem, Scramble or YoVille on social networking sites such as facebook and myspace) - I'm certain that part of their revenue comes from "market research support". This is the new spam, and it's tricking the gullible into being it's corporate marketing test group.

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    1. Re:I never understood.. by robably · · Score: 4, Funny

      Yeah, I swear if there was a quiz called "Are you the type of person who takes quizzes? Find out!!!", six people in my office would take it.

      And be genuinely surprised by the answer.

    2. Re:I never understood.. by Anonymous+Psychopath · · Score: 4, Informative

      Firefox + Greasemonkey + FB Purity = no more quizzes showing up. The removal of the most annoying part of Facebook definitely enhances the service.

      http://steeev.freehostia.com/wp/2009/03/19/facebook_purity_cleans_up_the_facebook_homepage/

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    3. Re:I never understood.. by MadKeithV · · Score: 4, Funny

      MC / MCSE is about more than just VB. There's C++ too. Where friends have access to your privates.

  8. [Block this Application] by interactive_civilian · · Score: 4, Interesting

    If you use Facebook, then this option should be your best friend. Use it with impunity. I use this for every Application invitation I receive, and the amount has dropped dramatically as I cull the available option.

    Because, no, I don't want to join your vampire army, zombie army, mob, poker game, I don't care if you are interested in me or now, and I really don't care what kind of sandwich, beer, flower, country, actor, power tool, car, coffee, breakfast cereal, of language I am. And, no, I don't want every lame-ass developer to have access to any and all information I put up on Facebook.

    I just wish you could block people's newsfeed posts on a per application basis, rather than only per user.

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    1. Re:[Block this Application] by MikeDX · · Score: 5, Informative

      You can block the application, just click "HIDE" then the drop down shows "hide (user)" and "hide (application". The second form the list is what you want. I use it all the time!

    2. Re:[Block this Application] by fluffernutter · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Er, why not just stop using Facebook, as I have? Facebook is a total mess. You've pretty much denounced all that Facebook has come to be about.

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    3. Re:[Block this Application] by Alan+Shutko · · Score: 2, Interesting

      For a while now, you can block applications on your news feed, by going to the hide menu next to the post and selecting "Hide [This Stupid App]." You can't hide it from the iPhone App, or from the list on _their_ profile page, but it's better than nothing.

      Unfortunately, almost every quiz shows up as a new app.

    4. Re:[Block this Application] by mx119 · · Score: 2, Funny

      I really don't care what kind of sandwich, beer, flower, country, actor, power tool, car, coffee, breakfast cereal, of language I am.

      I was following this rule, then it asked what kind of Jedi I was. I could not resist, so I assume one of the application sith's was using a mind trick on me.

    5. Re:[Block this Application] by Jane_Dozey · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Some of us have friends who are not quite so technologically savvy and these friends use facebook as their main mode of communication. They organise events, send messages and use it to circulate news. I tried getting along without it but it's just not practical when everyone else you know uses it for so many things.

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    6. Re:[Block this Application] by Nesman64 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Blocking the applications one at a time is akin to blocking spam, one "From:" at a time.

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  9. No kidding by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    I joined Facebook last month and was surprised to see how much control was given to the 'apps' by default.

    One of the first notices I got was something like "Your friends X and Y have taken this IQ Test - can you beat their score?" Wanting to be a good sport I started the quiz - only to notice plenty of fine print granting the program access to my personal information/friends list, etc.

    Needless to say, there was no longer any need to take the quiz, as the intelligence of my friends is now suspect.

    1. Re:No kidding by Fractal+Dice · · Score: 3, Insightful

      I joined Facebook last month and was surprised to see how much control was given to the 'apps' by default.

      The question you need to ask when signing up for a site is "what's their business model?" Facebook obviously isn't getting its money from its users, so that means the users have to be the product being sold.

  10. I'm still waiting for the... by rodney+dill · · Score: 4, Funny

    Which Feminine Hygiene Product Are You? quiz....

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    1. Re:I'm still waiting for the... by rackserverdeals · · Score: 5, Funny

      Which Feminine Hygiene Product Are You? quiz....

      I was working on a site called "Is Your Credit Card Number Hot or Not" but this news might taint my target market to think that I'm using the site for the wrong reasons. Oh well, good thing I didn't spend too much time on the companion sites "Your SSN Can Predict Your Future" and "How Your Mother's Maiden Name Affects Impotence"

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    2. Re:I'm still waiting for the... by rodney+dill · · Score: 5, Funny

      --or--

      What your passwords say about you...

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  11. Of course.... by rodney+dill · · Score: 4, Funny

    The google ad at the top is RealAge Quiz when I looked at the article.

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    1. Re:Of course.... by wjousts · · Score: 2, Funny

      I noticed that too. Oh the irony of Google ads.

  12. The old bait and switch by CopaceticOpus · · Score: 4, Informative

    Many online quizzes trick people by not requiring any personal information at the start. Only after a person has spent half an hour considering their responses does the site require an email address or even payment to see the results. Since a person is reluctant to throw away the time they've invested, they are more likely to give in, although they never would have agreed to the terms at the start.

    I had this happen to me last year, when trying to take a Myers-Briggs style personality test to see if my scores had changed in the last decade. They gave me only the most basic results, and expected payment for the full results. Now I will never take an online quiz again unless they guarantee to give full results without requiring payment, personal details, "completing one of these offers", etc.

  13. Link goes to page 2 of the article by g_adams27 · · Score: 4, Informative

    The link in the story goes to page two of the article. Here's Page 1 instead.

  14. Finally a reason by itsvishal · · Score: 2

    To sit back and reject all the quiz requests that I've been collecting since signing up. I'd always told my friends that I'd do them later. :) Poor things, waiting so eagerly to find out which English word I represent ("Banana").

  15. Personal versus aggregate by fermion · · Score: 2, Insightful
    In one sense, this is part of the costs of using these sites. For facebook, which is largely used by younger people, articles such as this has some value as younger people are not as sophisticated when dealing with scams such as this and need to be educated. This and the fact that facebook does pose a danger as user put many personal details, and these details can be connected with the real user.

    OTOH real age is directed at adults. The only link is an email address, which users can get from yahoo and anonymize if they wish. The question, to me, is then whether real age serves a legitimate entertainment purpose for which users pay through their use by looking at ads and generating data, and if such data is aggregate. It is like people who put movies and pictures on free web sites and then complain that they cannot be deleted.

    Most of us have little probem with shopping at stores where we use a card for a discount in exchange for our consent to collect and sell our personal buying habits(inordinate amount of crisco?). It seems to me that facebook goes beyond this, but many other sites do not.

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  16. So many other functions... by interactive_civilian · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Er, why not just stop using Facebook, as I have? Facebook is a total mess. You've pretty much denounced all that Facebook has come to be about.

    Because I use Facebook for many other things: keeping up to date on friends and family around the world, keeping up to date on local events like concerts, good DJs, parties, other gatherings, etc., knowing automatically when and where my favorite bands will be touring, seeing photos of friends and family, keeping in touch with my former students, and generally wasting time in other ways. All in one convenient place, rather than spread out across email addresses, mailing lists, multiple websites, etc.

    There is a lot more to FaceBook than all of the annoying applications, and I don't not use any applications. There are a few that I use and like, however, a.) I wasn't invited to them, I found them when looking for a certain functionality, and therefore felt that their use outweighed any issues with accessing my info, and b.) I didn't invite any of my friends to them, because I know how annoying that is.

    Some of us actually do find FaceBook to be useful.

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    1. Re:So many other functions... by JasterBobaMereel · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Well said .... ...and the old bugbear of "Facebook will steal your personal info" is solved in a similar manner - if you don't tell facebook it cannot tell anyone else

      Why put your phone number on Facebook - everyone who needs it has it already, or can ask me for it, *all* my friends and family do not need to know it and neither does Facebook ....

      My Facebook profile has just enough for people to tell it's me, and no more.

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  17. Facebook applications = data mining by matt_king · · Score: 4, Insightful

    There is *no* technical reason why adding a facebook widget requires access to your personal profile. Facebook devs could have easily set it up so this doesn't occur. It is the most shady part about facebook, and I am surprised there isn't more of an uproar about it.

  18. That's false advertising--made up data by Joe+the+Lesser · · Score: 4, Informative

    Your friends have not taken the IQ quiz. What they have done is just taken your friends list and made up scores for them.

    I know this because I saw the ad on my wife's page and it said I got a score on a test I had never taken.

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  19. Oh Noes! by bennomatic · · Score: 2, Insightful

    On the FB "Five People I'd Like to Punch in the Face" quiz, I listed GWB, Cheney, Rumsfeld, Wolfowitz and Rice. If I get waterboarded because of that, my only regret will be that it didn't allow six so I could put in Rove.

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  20. brought to you by, Real Age by JoelisHere · · Score: 3, Funny

    This story brought to you by, Real Age. I find it funny that the Google ad served up for this story was no other than a Real Age ad.

  21. Facebook quizzes by speedtux · · Score: 2, Informative

    Facebook quizzes are indeed highly deceptive and a serious invasion of privacy; the best thing is to kill them with a Greasemonkey script (or not use Facebook at all).