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NY Bill Proposes Fat Tax On Games, DVDs, Junk Food

eldavojohn writes "GamePolitics is writing about a proposal to tax things that make your kids fat. The logic from its author: 'Almost all experts agree that the primary reasons [for the obesity epidemic] are increased consumption of larger quantities of high calorie foods, snacks and sugar sweetened beverages... and lack of physical activity as vigorous play is replaced by sedentary activities such as watching more television, movies and videos and playing video games. This bill would raise revenues from modest surcharges on the very food products and sedentary activities that are linked to the lifestyle changes involved in the explosion of childhood obesity in the last 20-30 years.' Not as explicit as Japan's fat tax but we're getting there."

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  1. Money Grab by FredFredrickson · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I applaud the effort- it's a worthy cause..

    But it's not going to make anybody skinny. Just make hordes of cash under a cause that everyone would support. This is a money grab.

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    1. Re:Money Grab by diskofish · · Score: 5, Insightful

      It isn't a worthy cause. They are just looking for another way to squeeze even more out of us. NY already has some of the highest taxes in the country. I think by calling it a fat tax they hope to make it seem less egregious. What they need to do is make serious budget cuts. Cut back on the state government. Unfortunately, the special interests groups are going to keep fighting for their piece of the budget when someone wants to cut it.

    2. Re:Money Grab by snl2587 · · Score: 5, Funny

      And I say, let them eat cake.

    3. Re:Money Grab by digitalunity · · Score: 4, Informative

      I don't applaud the effort.

      Let's tax loan officers instead because their industry causes great financial harm to the country.

      Don't agree? Maybe that's because neither of these makes a lot of sense.

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    4. Re:Money Grab by digitalunity · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Minnesotans still pays more per person and I'd bet we get a lot more from our money than you do.

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    5. Re:Money Grab by someone1234 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I play instead of eating so i'm skinny.
      So why would they tax me.
      They should tax only fat people, damnit.

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    6. Re:Money Grab by SatanicPuppy · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Those "additional costs" are an article of faith, and not the proven thing most people seem to assume.

      When studies have been done, it's turned out that people who live unhealthy lifestyles generally cost a society less overall because they tend to actually die of their health problems. The tofu-eaters, on the other hand, live longer, and accrue more costs.

      Paying lung cancer care for a smoker who lives 12 months after his diagnosis is cheap compared to paying medicare, social security, and eventual hospital costs for someone who lives much longer.

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    7. Re:Money Grab by SatanicPuppy · · Score: 5, Funny

      Hey, what kind of bandwidth do you get in your militia bunker? Mine sucks, but it's probably because I shot the cable guy because he looked like CIA.

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    8. Re:Money Grab by Merls+the+Sneaky · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Cheap food is made with cheap crap, therefore is consumed by the poor (the worlds most populous group). They all buy it because it is cheaper than eating healthy. When you're struggling to make ends meet the last thing you're thinking is "is this healthy?", you're probably thinking more along the lines of "will this feed my kids for the next week?"

    9. Re:Money Grab by Captain+Centropyge · · Score: 5, Insightful

      I agree, this is NOT a worthy cause. Who are they to say who's fat? And if I'm not fat, who are they to say I have to pay because other people are fat, lazy, and unmotivated to help themselves? Some people don't give a shit that they're fat. If it's genetic or something, insurance will cover it. But don't make me pay more taxes. This isn't going to do jack crap to make people thinner. And if they're going to make anyone pay, they should make fat people pay the fat tax, since they are the ones that need the motivation to lose weight.

      Once again, the government thinking they know what's best for us... morons.

      And one more thing... a very important thing. This has NOTHING to do with getting people off their lazy asses and losing weight. It's just another way for the government to tax us. More money for them to piss away on stupid programs that do nothing and political agendas. You want more money..? Cut programs that are failing. There are plenty of them.

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    10. Re:Money Grab by cromar · · Score: 5, Interesting

      I think this is a fallacy, but maybe the prices where I live are quite different. Here, a bag of whole carrots is about $1.20, while a bag of Doritos or other chips is 99 cents. By both weight and density of nutrition, the carrots are hugely cheaper than Doritos. Or say, chicken here is often around $3 or $4 a pound, again both by weight and nutrition density a far better deal than what you would get for 3 or 4 bags of chips. Are veges really super expensive where you live compared to say chips and soda, or is it that people are forgetting how to cook and not stepping up to the plate (har) when it comes to their children's health?

    11. Re:Money Grab by Captain+Centropyge · · Score: 4, Insightful

      It's not a money grab - I would totally support this.

      I'm tired of my taxes paying the health care bills of these fat bastards. They eat crap, get overweight, next thing they are in for knee surgeries and lifelong diabetes management.

      Well, how about this then. Make FAT PEOPLE pay the fat tax. Why should I pay for someone else's laziness and bad eating habits?

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    12. Re:Money Grab by nedlohs · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Surely that's not the comparison.

      The lean meat cuts are significantly more expensive than the 30% fat mince. Pasta is cheaper than vegetables. Soda is cheaper than juice.

    13. Re:Money Grab by pluther · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Not entirely true.

      While it's true that it's easier to get good quality ingredients and healthier pre-packaged foods if you have the money for it, what causes obesity isn't so much the lower quality of food available for the money, but the choices people make on what to spend their money on.

      For instance, yes, a hamburger in a real restaurant is better, healthier, and more expensive than a hamburger at McDonald's. But you can buy raw hamburger and cook it at home, and make it tastier, healthier, and far cheaper than you can get at McDonald's.

      The boxed Macaroni and Cheese you get at Whole Foods is indeed better for you than Kraft, but costs three times as much. Less than half the price of Kraft, though, is buying the ingredients and making it yourself. Better tasting, cheaper, and less fattening.

      Vegetables at your average farmers market cost about half of what they do in a grocery store, and are fresher and better tasting.

      I could go on. Yes, the rich will always have more options than the poor. But with a little bit of research, effort, and practice, people can eat far healthier for even less money than the average American is doing now.

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    14. Re:Money Grab by tmosley · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Think about how many calories are in a bag of carrots versus a bag of doritos. Measured per calorie, vegetables are MUCH more expensive.

      Of course, most of the food I eat is cooked from scratch, and we grow our own vegetables, so eating healthy is fairly cheap, but it takes a LOT of time, time that most 2-worker households don't have.

    15. Re:Money Grab by rock_climbing_guy · · Score: 4, Informative

      For those of you in the northeast, I recommend shopping at "Wegman's" if Whole Foods is too high for you. I've lived all over the country and I've never seen a place with such a great selection of unprocess, raw, whole foods for such a reasonable cost.

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    16. Re:Money Grab by mydn · · Score: 5, Funny

      At least I have 2 Senators.

    17. Re:Money Grab by cayenne8 · · Score: 5, Interesting
      Hmm...no one seems to bitch that much when they raise the taxes on smokes and booze. They justifiy the 'sin' taxes, especially on cigarettes...because of the health risks, and hope it is an incentive to quit.

      This tax, especially on foods and drinks that can kill you if not used in extreme moderation (apparently they aren't) is for the same reasons, no?

      So, look, if you're gonna bitch about these (and I'm sure new creative behavior modification taxes in the future), then complain in general about using any tax to try to modify behavior. They should not use the threat of tax to promote good or curb 'bad' behaviors if you are an adult.

      What do you bet that in a future in the US, if you have a national medical system, with computerized national records, that can easily be tied to other systems out there that collect info on you (like with grocery store purchases? Drug stores? Liquor stores?) that you are charged and taxed based on your health risk behaviors? Don't think they'll do it?

      Did you think they'd ever even consider taxing you a 'sin' tax for buying a soda pop??? Me neither...

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    18. Re:Money Grab by crmarvin42 · · Score: 5, Insightful
      I totally agree with you.

      They justifiy the 'sin' taxes, especially on cigarettes...because of the health risks, and hope it is an incentive to quit.

      Am I the only one that notices that 'sin' taxes designed, ostensibly, as a deterent are counter productive. For example:

      1. Tax Cigaretts to pay for Medicare/Medcaid
      2. People cut back on cigarette purchases
      3. Revinue goes down from 'sin' taxes
      4. Budget shortfalls lead to further increases in 'sin' taxes
      5. Rinse and repeat until consuption rate drops to the point where 'sin' taxes are incapable of generating sufficent revenue to feed the Governments need for more spending.
      6. Find new 'sin' (in this case obesity).
      7. Rinse and repeat all over again.

      The problem with the 'sin' taxes, or the 'fat' tax is that it's used more to generate money and prevent spending cuts, than to actually improve anyones health. If the government does end up decreasing the undesirable consumption (tobacco, alcohol, gasoline, sweets, video games, movies, etc.), they end up running out of money to fund their pet projects. If these kinds of taxes were actually designed to do what they claim, then there would be mechanisms included to decrease funding of the relevant programs as consumption goes down.

      It's all Nanny State BS, wrapped up in the guise of the Public Good. I'm going to become a parent in August, and I'll do what my parents did. Once our children get to the age where this kind of sedentary activity is a concern, I'll kick them outside when it's nice, and not let them back into the house until meal time. I'll keep high calorie foods as a treat of last resort, and limit TV, video games, etc. to an hour or two a night.

      If you feel like you need the government to make sweets and video games more expensive to prevent you from giving them to your kids in excessive ammounts, please do the rest of us a favor. DON'T BREED. If you already have, please drop your kids off at the nearest adoption agency and go get yourself a tubal ligation/vasectomy. YOU are the parent. Act like it. Tell you child "NO", and then stick to your guns. Let them throw temper tantrums, they'll cry themselves out eventually. I know that I always did. If you dont' have the patience, then take them home and whip their ass. That worked just as well in my experience.

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    19. Re:Money Grab by Shakrai · · Score: 4, Insightful

      No. If certain fast food is that bad for the kids, make it illegal to market or sell it to minors.

      Fast food isn't bad or good for the kids. Fast food consumed without moderation is the problem. A quarter pounder with cheese (500 calories), large fries (500 calories) and large soda (300 calories) adds up to 1,300 calories.

      That's quite a lot for a single meal but not really a big deal in the grand scheme of things, provided that you adjust your caloric intake accordingly. There's no reason to charge me more for fast food simply because the rest of the country doesn't know what moderation means or how to exercise it.

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  2. Totally bogus... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    People with office jobs should have to pay this tax. They sit on their ass all day. Why should a construction worker, a whorehouse picker, or any other manual labour have to support office workers' sedentary lifestyle?

    1. Re:Totally bogus... by Minwee · · Score: 4, Funny

      a whorehouse picker

      They prefer the term "Concierge".

  3. tax break for celery by stine2469 · · Score: 4, Funny

    Do i get a tax break for buying celery? 

    1. Re:tax break for celery by zmollusc · · Score: 4, Funny

      No. Because celery is pretty neutral. Tax breaks will be available for products that actively help make you thinner, such as crystal meth etc

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    2. Re:tax break for celery by pwfffff · · Score: 5, Funny

      That's why you smother it in peanut butter, which comes from the ground.

      DOUBLE HEALTHY!

  4. Will the money be spent fighting fat? by drinkypoo · · Score: 4, Funny

    What's next, Wii subsidies?

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  5. How about by MikeRT · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Anyone who is morbidly obese and doesn't have a diagnosed thyroid problem gets no Medicare or Medicaid? How right wing of me! I should be kind and compassionate by paying taxes to support the health care of people who know their habits are destroying them.

    1. Re:How about by Manchot · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Believe it or not, the British NHS recently did an analysis and determined that smokers and the obese cost the system less money than healthy people. The reason being that these people tended to die early, before the complications and cost associated with old age set in.

  6. Also a tax on Health care premiums by eht · · Score: 5, Informative

    Got a letter from my company's health insurance yesterday.

    "Health care premiums will increase as a direct result of the State Legislature approving the Governor's proposed increases in taxes, fees and assessments on your health benefits on February 4, as part of his Deficit Reduction Plan."

    So they're taxing both ends.

  7. Re:ass-backwards by KiltedKnight · · Score: 5, Insightful

    That, and what about games designed around doing a lot of work, motion, etc, such as Wii Fit and Dance Dance Revolution (DDR)? People have been able to use these games as a way to make working out fun. Does that mean you'll get a tax rebate on these games and the controllers necessary for them?

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  8. While we are at it... by kheti · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Let's tax magazines and books.

  9. How short sighted by east+coast · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I ride my stationary bike while I watch DVDs. Should I get a tax credit because I bought exercise equipment to offset a tax that assumes too much?

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  10. backwards by Merls+the+Sneaky · · Score: 5, Insightful

    How about lowing (or even removing) taxesd on things that are likely to help keep you fit. Sporting equip, health foods, etc.

    Oh thats right the greedy fucks don't get any money from that.

  11. I still say they should get rid of HFC Syrup by SirGeek · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I mean, there HAVE been studies that show the obesity levels began rising at the same time that High Fructose Corn Syrup started to infiltrate all of our foods.

    I mean do they REALLY need to add HFCS to Tomato Sauces, Soups, etc. ?

    The best thing lately has been the return to sugar as a sweetener. Pepsi Throwback is one great example (its much less sweet than regular pepsi - and I'm a Coke drinker primarily).

    1. Re:I still say they should get rid of HFC Syrup by rcuhljr · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Why is there no '-1 Correlation is not Causation'?

    2. Re:I still say they should get rid of HFC Syrup by Zordak · · Score: 5, Insightful

      That's like saying "the crumbs on the floor are not ants." It's a factually true statement, but it's hardly a useful one. It would be more useful to say that correlation does not necessarily imply causation. But correlation very often does mean something. The fact that correlation does not necessarily imply causation does not mean that correlation somehow implies non-causation. At the very least, correlation implies "maybe there's something here we should look into a little more closely."

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  12. Better Idea by lobiusmoop · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Tax your gasoline to a similar degree as in Europe. That would encourage less car journeys, more walking/cycling and act as a buffer for when the oil prices start increasing again so your gas prices won't double practically overnight again.

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    1. Re:Better Idea by castironpigeon · · Score: 5, Insightful

      The only thing that would discourage the use of cars in the US is populating the country as densely as Europe and slapping down some mass transit lines all over it.

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  13. I fully support this Fat tax by JumperCable · · Score: 5, Insightful

    The government has gone so far out to control our lives with taxes on things people disapprove of it isn't funny.

    It will only get better once the government has gone so far out of whack that it micromanages every aspect of our lives. Only then will there be enough pushback

  14. The time will come... by yogibaer · · Score: 4, Funny

    when you will have to go underground to get a decent rat-burger (with fries) and a cold beer...

  15. Welcome to a tax on everything by Shivetya · · Score: 5, Insightful

    People want free health care, people want free this, that, and the other thing.

    and they will find enough people who will feel it is OK to tax X because said people don't like X. The problem is that group will get whacked by people who don't like Y.

    A VAT by any other name.

    The stuff has to be paid for. The fastest way to keep people dependent on the government and keep people poor is to make it easy to be dependent and poor.

    I know people who would cheer those gamers being taxed, I have vegan friends who would have a parade for fatties to pay more tax...

    it never ends... too many people take enjoyment by having others punished. Most get bent when it occurs because of "religious" reasons but honestly does it matter when it comes down to it?

    Democracies always have problems when people finally figure out they can vote themselves other peoples money, its worse when elected officials realize it works to keep them in office. Its even worse when a sitting President uses the bully pulpit to stomp on contract law and intimidate lawful holders of guaranteed debt to give it up.

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  16. How about taxing corn instead of sugar? by kyz · · Score: 5, Insightful

    The problem that's unique to the US is that government corn subsidies makes corn cheaper than anything else. So manufacturers use high fructose corn syrup instead of sugar as sweetener.

    HFCS is not only a sugar substitute, it also gets put into things that wouldn't otherwise be sweetened if you had to pay the full cost of sugar to sweeten it.

    How about the US government stop subsidising corn?

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  17. Absurd - Every Bit Of It. by blcamp · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I'm not a nutritionist, nor play one on TV, but I can make the argument that one can of Coke every day does *not* make a person overweight, while eating too much broccoli *will*.

    The point: this is not about nutrition or health, but rather, about the government finding *any excuse it can* to extract more and more money from the pockets of it's citizenry... while at the same time imposing more and more of it's will on them.

    A day will come... sooner than the busybody pointy-head academics, power hungry Congressional thugs, and greedy special-interest lobbyists think... when those of us peasants who continuously get ravaged by out of control lawmakers, have finally had enough... and we begin reaching for our pitchforks.

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  18. Tax marijuana instead by Xelios · · Score: 4, Funny

    1) Legalize marijuana
    2) Regulate and tax it
    3) PROFIT!!!

    There's not even a ??? step to worry about with this one.

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