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Philip K. Dick's "Flow My Tears" To Be Filmed

bowman9991 writes "Philip K. Dick's 1974 novel Flow My Tears, The Policeman Said is being adapted for the big screen. A tale of altered reality, drug use, and the meaning of identity, the novel tells the story of TV celebrity Jason Taverner, who wakes up one morning to find that his very existence has been wiped from everyone's memories. Halcyon, the company behind the upcoming Terminator Salvation movie, decided the novel would be the first adaptation under a rights agreement with Philip K. Dick's estate. Hollywood has certainly taken a shine to Dick's work: Blade Runner, Total Recall, Minority Report, A Scanner Darkly, Impostor, Screamers and Next have all been based on his short stories or novels. Ubik is in development too. In some cases, as with Ridley Scott's sci-fi classic Blade Runner, the adaptations are loose to say the least."

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  1. More Information on Philip K. Dick Movies by eldavojohn · · Score: 5, Informative

    Hollywood has certainly taken a shine to Dick's work: Blade Runner, Total Recall, Minority Report, A Scanner Darkly, Impostor, Screamers and Next have all been based on his short stories or novels.

    Don't forget Paycheck and Confessions d'un Barjo ("Confessions of a Crap Artist"). As a longtime Dick fan it humors me to see his works start to explode into movies post-2000. Adding to the truth that an artist is never appreciated until he/she is dead.

    The same producer (John Alan Simon) that made the purchase of "Flow My Tears" also purchased the rights to "VALIS" & "Radio Free Albemuth." These last two books are strangely related to The Man in the High Castle (kinda sequel-ish) and he may be thinking of merging the two stories into one movie?

    It's also worth mentioning that "Time Out of Joint" rights have been purchased by Warner Bros.

    Unfortunately for me, these movies are not really my cup of tea. Total Recall was pretty good when I was 12 ... never going to rewatch that again though. I didn't even find Blade Runner that great and honestly haven't bothered to watch Minority Report, Next or Paycheck. I got Scanner Darkly but just because it was more independent than the others. I just have an opposite opinion from the get-all-excited-it's-gonna-be-great folks I guess.

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    1. Re:More Information on Philip K. Dick Movies by Spazztastic · · Score: 5, Funny

      I didn't even find Blade Runner that great and honestly haven't bothered to watch Minority Report, Next or Paycheck.

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    2. Re:More Information on Philip K. Dick Movies by pete-classic · · Score: 2, Interesting

      You probably saw the theatrical version of Blade Runner. Give one of the director's cuts a look. The lack of studio-mandated voice-over certainly makes the film more moody and atmospheric.

      Minority Report was a decent movie, but wasn't based on the short-story beyond the kernel of the idea.

      Next and Paycheck were both pretty craptastic.

      -Peter

    3. Re:More Information on Philip K. Dick Movies by Incredible+Elmo · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Total Recall is still relatively good when watching it when you're older. Not many people I know who saw this movie recognized that at the end, you still don't know if it is the virtual vacation you are watching and if he needs to be lobotomized after this, or not; everything that happens in the story is exactly what he wanted from his vacation. With that in mind, the red pill scene is pretty interesting, where the rekall team tries to give him a way out without damaging his brain, but he chooses to remain in his dreams instead.

      The good thing of that movie is that it is filmed such that you don't have to think about it and enjoy it as an above average action film, but you _can_, and it makes it a bit more interesting.

      I think that there is a hint of PKD's depth in that film if you bother to look for it. I didn't really notice this in Paycheck, for instance.

    4. Re:More Information on Philip K. Dick Movies by h4rm0ny · · Score: 2, Informative

       

      Give me a break. It leaves frustratingly long periods of blank looks while the actors sit there and stare at each other during the periods that formerly held the dialog.

      Ohhhhhh! That's what was going on. I got the recentish Blade Runner: Final Cut on Blu-Ray. I liked it, I thought it was good though the female characters looked ridiculously made up. But I didn't get the reason for some of the really long pauses. The interview between Deckard and his police superior, where they're looking at the pictures of the replicants, has whole stretches where the superior is just gawping at Harrison Ford. I thought afterward that it might be a hint toward... well I don't want to spoil it for anyone who hasn't seen it. The same thing the origami unicorn is a hint to.

      But I guess it was just a lot of missing dialogue.

      I think Minority Report was maybe better. Not as visually impressive or philosophical, but a clever plot and some neat ideas.

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    5. Re:More Information on Philip K. Dick Movies by vidarh · · Score: 2, Insightful
      You have to watch those movies under the assumption that they are not as much "adaptations" as they are "inspired by".

      I loved reading Minority Report and Paycheck, and I liked the movies too, but they only really have the overall "in your face" part of the story/idea in common with each other - PKD's subtext and deeper stuff largely gets ignored (which makes sense - it'd be a nightmare to try to make something faithful to PKD's vision without making it unwatchable). They look similar if you read a blurb about them, but when you actually read them / watch them their character is very different.

      Especially with the stuff being adapted from older PKD short stories that's probably resulting in better movies anyway. There's too little material in many of them to make a full length movie without changing the stories, and as many other writers of the era he had an obsession with nuclear war and various technological hangups that are now really dated. He also wasn't a particularly good writer early on - his ideas were fantastic, but it took him a while to start expressing them well.

      By the time he wrote Flow My Tears..., though, his voice was well developed and it could be turned into something really interesting without changing the story all that much.

    6. Re:More Information on Philip K. Dick Movies by wwphx · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I'd have to agree with you about Bladerunner. I don't know how many times I've seen it, saw the super deluxe director's cut last year. The thing that grabs me about the movie, though, is the visuals. Scott did such an amazing job with the visuals that I'm blown away every time that I see it, and since he was able to show some of the early footage to Dick before he passed, that's double-plus good.

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    7. Re:More Information on Philip K. Dick Movies by Blakey+Rat · · Score: 2, Interesting

      That's what I use to justify people not liking 2001: A Space Odyssey. "Oh, well, I guess he's just too immature to get it. Maybe in a few years..." I'll never accept that someone can simply dislike the film, damnit.

    8. Re:More Information on Philip K. Dick Movies by pete-classic · · Score: 2, Insightful

      That's not, in fact, what was going on. The voice-over wasn't conceived until after the film was shot.

      Maybe we can assume that more breathing room was left in the scenes in the theatrical cut to allow for the after-the-fact voice-over, but I think Ridley Scott is an adequately skilled and conscientious director not to leave all that air in the scenes when he re-cut (or in the first cut, before the voice-over) if it wasn't for a purpose beyond the voice-over.

      Blade Runner certainly wasn't paced the same way Minority Report was. I think that Blade Runner is the better film. But that's just my opinion. I thought that Benjamin Button would have been twice as good if forty more minutes of it had ended up on the floor. It's all very subjective.

      -Peter

    9. Re:More Information on Philip K. Dick Movies by Anenome · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I saw Blade Runner when I was young, with voiceovers. I actually prefer it that way. Nowadays it's nearly impossible to find the non-removed voiceover version from my childhood. There's nothing wrong with people liking different versions if you ask me. Personally, I prefer having more info rather than less, and the interior monologue worked for me. Similarly, I would hate to see a version of Dune with the voiceovers removed (thank god it doesn't exist). Dune used the VO's in a different way, as actual 1st person thought, whispered, beautifully done and I wish cinema would do more with it.

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  2. It's probably for the best. by gnarlyhotep · · Score: 4, Insightful

    In some cases, as with Ridley Scott's sci-fi classic Blade Runner, the adaptations are loose to say the least.

    Given the nature of most of Dick's work, a direct 1:1 film adaptation of his writing would be at best nonsensical. Adapting the theme of the work, and leaving leeway with the details is generally the best approach.

    Hell, even with other author's works it's the best approach. They are completely different media after all, and require completely different approaches to storytelling.

    1. Re:It's probably for the best. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I dunno, I thought A Scanner Darkly turned out pretty damn well(casting of Keanu and Winona not withstanding) and was the most direct translation of a PKD book to date in my estimation.

    2. Re:It's probably for the best. by gowen · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I remember reading "We Can Remember It For You Wholesale" after having seen Total Recall and ... well, I love PKD, and Total Recall is way more entertaining than WCRIFYW. "Flow My Tears..." is amongst my favourites, and probably among the more cinematic, but like Three Stigmata of Palmer Eldritch, there's are all the druggy psychedelic passages that may not translate well.

      Of his classics, probably only Man In The High Castle and Radio Free Albemuth [the coherent Ubik] would be filmable. Lots of the schlock would be filmable, crap like Vulcan's Hammer would be pure B-movie).

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    3. Re:It's probably for the best. by goombah99 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Blade runner I suspect was really a merger of the plot line of "do androids dream of electic sheep" with the thematic asian dominated backdrop of the man in the high castle.

      I regard blade runner as one of the few movies that is substantially better than the book ("androids dream" ) it is based on.

      Most of Philip Dicks' work seems to me to be wonderfully inspired plots and concepts that get at the nature of perception but executed with cardboard characters and loads of quirky descriptive artifacts. I note that for it's period, sci-fi in general tended to lack real characterization and larded in lots of gee-whiz artifcats. PKD endures because of those timeless themes and questions. Hence they make great sources for movies cause after you distill all the dated parts of his work, the stories really are pretty short and snappy.

      Also one other comment: could there be a better production company name than Halcyon given that the drug names that promotes the dream state.

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    4. Re:It's probably for the best. by Mister+Whirly · · Score: 3, Insightful

      I have the same opinion. I hate Keanu and Ryder but love Robert Downey Jr, and thought the stuff between him and Woody Harrelson was priceless. They gave a much needed comic aspect to the pretty dark material. Overall I thought the film was done well, and stayed relatively faithful to the story - especially considering some of the other "adaptations" of his work on film.

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    5. Re:It's probably for the best. by northernboy · · Score: 2, Insightful

      There are two rules for making a good movie.

      1. Find a good story.
      2. Tell it well.

      Philip K Dick is my favorite science fiction author. Do Androids Dream of Electric Sheep (um, the source for the Blade Runner screenplay) is among his very best books. And I thought Blade Runner was amazing, even though they had to leave out far more of the book than they left in.

      In an aside to the audience on her Miles of Aisles live album, Joni Mitchell says to the audience, "Nobody ever said to Picasso, 'Paint A Starry Night again, man!' ..." Different instantiations of a good story are different. Try to keep an open mind.

    6. Re:It's probably for the best. by MrHanky · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Well, the main difference between Blade Runner and Do Androids Dream of Electric Sheep is the theme: one is mainly about man (or android) revolting against God (or death) in a godless universe, the other is about the authenticity of emotions and empathy in a modern society of drugs & media. The story is basically the same, though (apart from the film's more spectacular ending, of course).

    7. Re:It's probably for the best. by Zontar_Thing_From_Ve · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Hell, even with other author's works it's the best approach. They are completely different media after all, and require completely different approaches to storytelling.

      I think this is a very good comment. A currently popular Sci Fi author is scheduled to have the first (to my knowledge) film made from one of his books in the next year or two. This author is not universally liked, so I'm not naming him so as to avoid starting an endless thread on his works. Anyway, he said that once you agree to sell the rights to a movie from something you wrote, you give up all rights to how the movie comes out. Maybe you get lucky and it turns out like Harry Potter or Lord Of The Rings. Or maybe you end up like Isaac Asimov and arguably none of the movies based on your books are very good. But you agree, as an author, once you take the money that control is gone from you to Hollywood. If you can't live with the chance that it might not turn out like you want, he said you shouldn't sell the rights.

      Solaris by Stanislaw Lem is a great example. The late great Andrei Tarkovksy directed a film based on this in the early 1970s in the USSR. Many people, including me, consider this film to be a classic, but Lem hated it. Tarkovsky changed a lot of things from the book (I think for the better) and Lem was bitter about it for all of his life. The 2002 film starring George Clooney was a big failure and many hate it, but Lem himself loved it because he considered it to be true to his original story. Go figure.

    8. Re:It's probably for the best. by DeepHurtn! · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I think the critique of Dick's characterization is off the mark; that just wasn't what he was *doing*. Dick wasn't writing a 19th century psychological novel; if you want that, go read someone Russian. But to attack Dick for his lack of characterization would be like doing so to Kafka or Pynchon. They're just not playing that genre.

    9. Re:It's probably for the best. by vidarh · · Score: 2, Interesting
      Describing "Sheep" as "bizarre" is pretty funny, considering it's overall one of PKD novels that are most "mainstream". I don't agree with you that Blade Runner eliminated "unnecessary detail" - it fundamentally altered the story. Doesn't mean it's a bad movie, just not the same story.

      I want to see a "Do Androids Dream of Electric Sheep" movie. You could make one with most of the mainstream audience not even realizing it had anything to do with Blade Runner.

      And if you take PKD books literally, you don't end up with something "paced very slowly" - in most cases you'd end up with something that to most viewers would be impossible to follow because of the often non-linear story lines and large number of inter-vowen ideas. If anything, "sheep" is one of the simple ones.

    10. Re:It's probably for the best. by mobby_6kl · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I'm not a big fan of Keanu either, but his "Whoa, I don't know what the fuck is going on" talent works perfectly for the completely confused/high/mental Bob Arctor.

  3. Catchier title? by jd2112 · · Score: 2, Insightful

    How about "Nowhere Man - The Motion Picture"

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  4. You know it'll happen... by hal2814 · · Score: 4, Funny

    I'm just waiting for the average moviegoer to start complaining about how these upcoming Dick movies ripped off ideas from films like the Matrix, Truman Show, The Net, etc.

  5. Adaptations are loose by Aladrin · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I think it's important to note why the adaptations are loose: PK Dick wrote short stories. Very, very good stories, but short. The main idea in the story is told in few words, but well.

    A movie also has an obligation to fill 90 minutes of screen time, at least. Some of the actual concepts can be described in under a minute. The rest of the time in the short story or movie is spent exploring the concept.

    PK Dick is definitely one of my top 5 favorite authors.

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    1. Re:Adaptations are loose by cblack · · Score: 4, Funny

      You forgot the pink laser beams.

    2. Re:Adaptations are loose by h4rm0ny · · Score: 2, Interesting

      and that our world is being projected onto our consciousness by benevolent aliens/gods has got to be at least a little bit crazy.

      href="http://www.newscientist.com/article/mg20126911.300-our-world-may-be-a-giant-hologram.html?full=true.

      I just find it amusing how odd beliefs can line up with the latest scientific theories.

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  6. Great, call me when it's done by orkybash · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Adaptations of Philip K Dick books are notorious for being put in development hell. Scanner Darkly, IIRC, went through several attempted treatments before we got the rotoscoped version. And there's been attempts off and on to bring us Ubik on the big screen, though the last I heard of that was a few years ago and it was just being written.

    ...not to say that I'm not still cautiously excited!

  7. Re:Is anyone else tired of PKD's drivel? by plover · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Do you really think Neal Stephenson's books would do well on the big screen? Part of me would expect the movie to be about six hours long, with the entire plot wrapped up in a hasty, four-minute expository lump at the end. I can almost hear the cameraman whispering to the director "I've only got 100 feet of film left, can you get this done?"

    Another part of me thinks it would be completely awesome to see Snow Crash on the big screen. But my brain has already filled in what I think the metaverse looks like, what the rat-things look like, smart spokes, all those ultra-cool ideas; and then I think of what other filmmakers have shat out trying to portray cool sci-fi toys. The wrong director could easily destroy a great story.

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  8. TANSTAAFL by camperdave · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Personally, I'd like to see The Moon is a Harsh Mistress done up as a film.

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  9. Re:Is anyone else tired of PKD's drivel? by cblack · · Score: 2, Insightful

    PKD lover says: screw you. But seriously, have you read more than one of his books or few short stories? Your description of "drivel" seems a very limited view of his works. So many common themes that are beyond just "which reality is real" (which he does very well). Pervasive surveillance/advertising. The meaning of living an authentic life. Effects of modern societies/cultures on lower "cog in the machine" type individuals. Ordinary people fighting struggling whether to accept or fight against large organizations/systems. Mental illness. Alternate history. War. Love/Obsession. Religion.
    Belittling his whole body of work as "stoner ramblings" is pretty indefensible in my opinion.

  10. Re:Alfred Bester by Remus+Shepherd · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Phillip K. Dick's works were weird and surreal.

    Alfred Bester's works were weird and hyper-real. You couldn't get away with hazy camerawork and plot elements that were forgivably nonsensical in a Bester film. You'd need to show how people can jaunt, you'd need to show small-craft space combat, and you'd need to show that glowing guy who shorts out robots near him. In other words, you can paper over many of the images in Dick's work, but with Bester you'd have to show them. And that would cost money. Demolished Man would cost $200 million to produce, and Hollywood isn't desperate enough (yet) to take a chance like that.

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  11. Re:A tortilla, meat, beans, cheese. by cblack · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Most fiction and certainly most Sci-Fi can be considered about "altered reality" where something or someone that is not true/doesn't exist in our reality is described in a book. That is what makes it fiction.
    As for drug use and meaning of identity, I'd say most of his books DON'T have drug use as a major theme. Meaning of identity is fairly common though. Still, you come off as a hater. The idea of someone being tricked into helping a war effort he doesn't know exists is a pretty cool plot idea and he has many others.

  12. Impostor, mysteriously ignored. by Criceratops · · Score: 2, Interesting

    The movie "Impostor" really never even gets mentioned, and it was pretty damned faithful to the original story. Dunno why certain movies, that are no less bad than the rest of Hollywood's ... um... output... get passed over in the Public Attention Lottery. (i.e. the film version of Vonnegut's "Breakfast of Champions"... all-star cast, fun performances, pretty close to original novel, and no press / attention whatsoever)

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  13. Really want to see a biopic by lawpoop · · Score: 2, Informative

    I like some of the movie adaptations of his work, but to me, his real life outshadows all the ideas presented in his work.

    Check out Robert Crumb's The Religious Experience of Phillip K. Dick . Basically Dick began to have visions of a past life in ancient Rome as a crypto-Christian. These visions literally saved his son's life when he rushed him to the hospital. Turned out the boy had a hernia and would have been dead in hours. Other most interesting events, too.

    I heard a few years ago there was supposed to be such a film with Paul Giamatti as Dick, but you know how these things go. I think it might be merged with V.A.L.I.S.

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