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Open Source's Battle In Africa

eldavojohn writes "The BBC has more details about something we last discussed in 2008 — the showdown of open source versus proprietary software in Africa. When discussing the issue of cost, the piece quotes Microsoft's chairman on the scene, Dr. Cheikh Modibo Diarra, who alludes that open source continually costs you money by saying 'You buy Microsoft software, and you buy it once and for all, the cost that we tell you is the total cost for ownership.' On the other end of the story is Ken Banks from Kiwanja.net who has spent 15 years developing open source applications in Africa. His logic is that 'Today we're seeing growing open-source programmer, developer communities in South Africa, Ghana, Kenya, Nigeria and other African countries. Clearly, if you have this informal programming sector coming up, access to source code is almost critical if they are going to be able to take advantage of these new tools that are emerging.' Well, the battle rages on, hopefully the emerging African developers and users pick the tool(s) that suit their needs the best."

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  1. Developers in Africa? by K.+S.+Kyosuke · · Score: 5, Funny

    Come on, everybody knows that there are no developers in Africa. It must be Nigerian scam!

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  2. Oh great by elrous0 · · Score: 4, Funny

    Oh yeah, that's exactly what they need in Nigeria--more programming skills.

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  3. Sure! by GMFTatsujin · · Score: 5, Insightful

    "'You buy Microsoft software, and you buy it once and for all, the cost that we tell you is the total cost for ownership.'"

    And then Microsoft stops supporting the product, changes the formats the products uses, and makes prior formats erratic or impossible to implement. It's a good thing you'll enjoy your purchase of brand new software, because you'll be doing it again and again and again.

    Or, you can go the Open Source route, which is continually and freely developed, usually for free-as-in-beer, and respects its own history. And if development stops, it's usually because some better Open Source project forked off or replaced it.

    Better as in "it performs a better job," not better as in "we'd better release a new version to keep our market share."

    1. Re:Sure! by fuzzyfuzzyfungus · · Score: 5, Insightful

      As somebody who currently keeps the paychecks coming by being there when the software that my employer "bought once and for all" breaks in various horrible ways; I can tell you that "the cost that we tell you" is very much not the "total cost of ownership".

    2. Re:Sure! by digsbo · · Score: 5, Insightful
      Also consider the cost of test systems! Oh, how I bemoan the lack of test systems when license fees prevent me from having a production-like system.

      I never anticipated the death-by-a-thousand-papercuts mode of inoperation I would experience when moving from a linux to an MS shop. Really, you can't even legally run the OS on a VM without appropriate licensing. When you run commercial/proprietary, you run costly.

  4. You buy it once? by bryan1945 · · Score: 5, Informative

    "'You buy Microsoft software, and you buy it once and for all, the cost that we tell you is the total cost for ownership.' "

    Yeah, like phasing out support for older OS's. And putting in new formats for the next Office iteration. I had to buy the new Office for home because those who upgraded never remember to downgrade. Not to mention that if you don't have a service contract you pay $X (I forget the number) per service call. I'm sure there are more instances of how "buy once, this is TCO" is wrong, but I'm not up to date on MS's current procedures.

    What's the cost of OSS? Learning curve? Like Office 2007 didn't cause most people fits when it was released? I don't use Linux, so I'm no fanboy, but that statement was just ridiculous.

    (Oh, and I graduate with my MIS degree tonight! Sorry, just happy.)

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  5. Cost of ownership? by Bellegante · · Score: 4, Funny

    The total cost of a windows box, the entire cost of ownership, is the up front cost of the MS software? Really?

    Jesus, I've been a fool for using Linux on my personal systems. Why, considering all the man hours I've put into it, I would have saved virtually hundreds of dollars by paying for a quality Microsoft product!

    I'm going to run out right away and buy a new operating system! Looking forward to never having to configure anything, and having a bug free system that does everything I want!

    (Mods - Joke. Really.)

    1. Re:Cost of ownership? by BlackSnake112 · · Score: 4, Funny

      So you are getting a mac then?

    2. Re:Cost of ownership? by value_added · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Why, considering all the man hours I've put into it, I would have saved virtually hundreds of dollars by paying for a quality Microsoft product!

      I can virtually gurantee that all those man hours you've put it in will yield benefits for years to come, many of which may not readily apparent. Unix Text Processing, for example, was first published in 1987. If you had read that book way back then, or read it for the first time last week, you can put the knowledge to good use on your new Ubuntu system.

      By contrast, a seasoned Windows admin is typically someone who's amassed a stale collection of trivia consisting of GUI shortcuts, registry edits, familiarity with utilities provided by someone other than Microsoft to accomplish ordinary things, a mental list of workarounds for things that never seem to work right, and memories of DOS that just won't go away. If he's really good, he'll be able to cite KB numbers.

    3. Re:Cost of ownership? by Tikkun · · Score: 4, Insightful

      By contrast, a seasoned Windows admin is typically someone who's amassed a stale collection of trivia consisting of GUI shortcuts, registry edits, familiarity with utilities provided by someone other than Microsoft to accomplish ordinary things, a mental list of workarounds for things that never seem to work right, and memories of DOS that just won't go away. If he's really good, he'll be able to cite KB numbers.

      In my experience, solving Windows problems involves a lot of bottle shaking. Solving problems on Unix-like platforms typically rewards logical thinking and expecting that the computer will do what you tell it to do (the trick is learning how to be specific).

    4. Re:Cost of ownership? by Anonymous+Struct · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Second that. I always felt like Unix tools were generally like lego blocks. Once you learn how they go together, you can build pretty much anything you need. Ten years from now, all the lego blocks you've accumulated still work with your new lego blocks, and you can keep using them over and over. By contrast, Windows tools are generally like die cast toys. That matchbox car is pretty awesome at being a little metal car, but if you want an airplane, you just have to save up your allowance and go buy one (well, unless it happens to be the kind of matchbox car where the doors open - then you can pretend they're wings if you have a good imagination).

      Windows is all about giving you a fish, and Unix is all about teaching you to fish.

  6. That's amazing by Minwee · · Score: 4, Insightful

    'You buy Microsoft software, and you buy it once and for all, the cost that we tell you is the total cost for ownership.'

    Wow. So all that money that we're spending hiring administrators, paying for software support and beating applications with a crowbar until they run properly is _completely unnecessary!_ I have been such a fool for all of these years. All I needed to do was pay the sticker price for a copy of Windows Server and that would have been enough for everything!

    *cough cough cough* *mumble* *cough cough*

  7. Difficult sell in the developing world by damburger · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Trying to promote Linux in places like Africa that are still working on their IT industries could be perceived as paternalistic. The sad, sad fact is that the majority of the western world uses MS Windows, and that if you try and say that despite this, African users should embrace Linux - it can come across as if you are fobbing them off with something second rate. You aren't, of course, but that isn't how the Microsoft Ministry of Truth is going to spin it.

    The best way to promote Linux in developing markets is to promote it in developed markets. Countries that want to build their IT industry will, logically, look to how its done in countries with successful IT industries. Any increase in the Linux user base in the United States or Europe will be mirrored by an increase in much of the rest of the world.

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  8. The sad truth is ... by Coeurderoy · · Score: 4, Interesting

    That only the government and the largest enterprises are buying software, all the rest is pirated.
    So "Free/Open Source" software is at exactly the same price as "Closed Source" software.

    And there is a sick fascination with "the rich people" although they became rich by ripping you off.
    And the main supperiority of "Closed Source software" is that it gives more opportunity for "back door handlings"...

    And of course the "donor organisations" are much better at recommending "nice donor nation originated products" than local "service"...

    And thus the blood of africa is still flowing out to the occidental world...

  9. Re:Total Cost of Ownership by Red+Flayer · · Score: 4, Informative

    This just proves he's been listening to Microsoft too long. He's using Microsoft's favorite buzzword without even thinking whether his statement makes sense. The purchase price is not the total cost of ownership. Not even Microsoft is claiming that.

    Dude, please read TFA/S a little more closely.

    Microsoft is claiming that. The person who said those words? Microsoft. A very high-ranking official in Microsoft's African operations.

    He hasn't spent too long listening to Microsoft... he's spent too long being Microsoft.

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  10. Hey, be nice to Dr. Cheikh Modibo Diarra by e9th · · Score: 5, Funny

    He was kind enough to set me up, via email, with a very lucrative business deal where I stand to make huge profits.
    Of course, my upfront costs keep mounting, but he assured me when he asked for my account numbers that the funds will shortly be directly deposited to my bank.

  11. Contact Canonical by tjwhaynes · · Score: 4, Informative

    The big advantage of Microsoft is that you can buy it on a disk.

    The big advantage of Ubuntu is that Canonical will send you, free of charge, an entire Operating System, complete with application stacks, on a DVD if you ask.

    Cheers,
    Toby Haynes

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  12. I deal with Microsoft in Africa by WML+MUNSON · · Score: 5, Informative

    LOLOLOLOLOL

    I'm a manager at a /major/ East-African health-care organization based in Uganda.

    Years ago (before I arrived) someone had a highly customized Microsoft Navision system put in for our HMS/ERP system.

    If we want to modify anything more in-depth than what color a button is we have to call up a Microsoft Licensed Consultant who has a key-file on a USB stick that allows them access to the inner-workings of the system -- and pay them hourly.

    This system is the beating fucking heart of our organization and we can't even make something a required field or modify the validation of an entry without calling these circus clowns up.

    The default license allows access by 36 simultaneous users. Guess how much Microsoft Nairobi forces us to pay per-user when we want to add more? try EIGHT HUNDRED FUCKING DOLLARS PER SEAT -- AFTER DISCOUNT.

    Want to store more information than we currently do? BUY MORE DATABASE TABLES.

    Dr. Cheikh Modibo Diarra either has no idea what he's talking about or is an outright fucking liar, because Microsoft has nothing anywhere near a business model that works for Africa.

    We can't wait to get off their system.