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Calling BS On the BSA Global Piracy Report

An anonymous reader writes "The Business Software Alliance released their annual global piracy report earlier this week. In addition to the usual claims of software piracy (PDF) and the grudging acknowledgment of open source software, Michael Geist noted that the report ultimately undermined one of the BSA's core arguments — that countries which enact DMCA-style legislation experience significantly reduced piracy rates. Questions have also been raised over the BSA's methodology, as has happened in the past."

138 comments

  1. attack is the best defense by swinferno · · Score: 2, Interesting

    did some1 already sue the BSA once?

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  2. Why are they so grudging with admissions? by 91degrees · · Score: 5, Insightful

    If a report said, for example, that people prefer digital distribution over physical media, or vice versa, they'd simply make sure that their distribution model was optimised for the market. They wouldn't continue to commit resources to the distribution method that doesn't work.

    Logically they should look at this report, realise that DMCA like legislation doesn't work and divert resources elsewhere. Why do I think they're not going to do this?

    1. Re:Why are they so grudging with admissions? by cbrocious · · Score: 5, Interesting

      When you're in a position of power for a long time and an alternative comes along, what do you do? You assert control in any way you possibly can. Not that that's a good thing, but that's the way it goes.

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  3. Had to laugh at ... by delphi125 · · Score: 3, Funny

    "... and lower than all but three Asian countries (Japan, Australia, and New Zealand)"

    I read the fine article, but not the whole report. Wondering where this came from!

    1. Re:Had to laugh at ... by mpe · · Score: 2, Funny

      "... and lower than all but three Asian countries (Japan, Australia, and New Zealand)"

      If their ability to understand geography is any guide then at best they might get things right a third of the time!

    2. Re:Had to laugh at ... by FooAtWFU · · Score: 3, Informative

      Businesses commonly make territory designations (for sales or distribution purposes) that do things like lump "Australia" in with "Asia". It often makes a lot more sense to base things off of "physical proximity" or "economic interconnectedness" (or maybe even "cultural similarity", though that's not the case here) than basing everything off of plate tectonics.

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    3. Re:Had to laugh at ... by PPH · · Score: 4, Funny

      or maybe even "cultural similarity", though that's not the case here

      Correct. For cultural similarity, you'd lump Australia with the United States. Two colonies to witch the British exported their criminals and other undesirables.

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    4. Re:Had to laugh at ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And now... Bend over, Brits!

    5. Re:Had to laugh at ... by Gorgoth · · Score: 1

      The proper term for the Area is Asia Pacific they just ignored the Pacific region

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    6. Re:Had to laugh at ... by CDS · · Score: 5, Funny

      Yeah, but Australia got their criminals and the US got their religious nuts. Australia got the better deal!

    7. Re:Had to laugh at ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

      Yeah, but Australia got their criminals and the US got their religious nuts. Australia got the better deal!

      Which is why Australia is a World Superpower!

    8. Re:Had to laugh at ... by Akzo · · Score: 1

      You may have heard of the terms Australasia or Asia Pacific. Australia and New Zealand are commonly known as Asian countries due to the relative closeness.

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    9. Re:Had to laugh at ... by AnfieldSierra · · Score: 1

      Have you been to Howick or Pakuranga recently ?

    10. Re:Had to laugh at ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

      Dude, when life's this good, why should we bother trying to control the rest of the world?

      They can have their frozen siberian tundras and their "tornado alley" and their oil.

      We'll (grudgingly) put up with our great climate, fantastic beaches, and abundance of bikini-clad women.

    11. Re:Had to laugh at ... by thexile · · Score: 1

      Two colonies to witch the British exported their criminals and other undesirables.

      Yah, kind of like bewitched.

  4. My business was raided by the BSA by sakdoctor · · Score: 4, Funny

    I used a megaphone to yell "HA, WE USE LINUX!"
    Then I back-flipped onto a motorbike and sprayed them with sand.

    Actually that might have been a dream.

    1. Re:My business was raided by the BSA by MagnusE · · Score: 5, Funny

      I have a pirated version of a linux distribution and other FOSS, I share the torrent only with you: http://www.slackware.com/torrents/slackware-12.2-install-dvd.torrent

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    2. Re:My business was raided by the BSA by tepples · · Score: 2, Funny

      I have a pirated version of a linux distribution and other FOSS

      Is there another torrent so I can pirate the source code too?

    3. Re:My business was raided by the BSA by LordNimon · · Score: 1

      You can actually pirate the source code by violating the GPL.

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    4. Re:My business was raided by the BSA by Thinboy00 · · Score: 0, Flamebait

      Shut up! If you can't think of something witty, don't say anything at all.

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    5. Re:My business was raided by the BSA by TheTurtlesMoves · · Score: 1

      Slackware for the win!

      Could never get the hang of that oooo-booon-tooo.

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    6. Re:My business was raided by the BSA by SharpFang · · Score: 1

      No! That's why it's pirated!

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    7. Re:My business was raided by the BSA by Nocturna81 · · Score: 1

      Pot -> Kettle (Black)

  5. BSA Ads on Slashdot by inKubus · · Score: 1

    Looks like Slashdot isn't above taking money from the BSA. In the bar above I see "Anti-Piracy Organization" - Rewards Offered up to $1 Million! It was a Google ad so I clicked on it, which hopefully costs them a few bucks.

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    1. Re:BSA Ads on Slashdot by ani23 · · Score: 1

      Well its definitely not influencing the stories on slashdot so that s a good thing. also very mature of u to click on google ads so they lose money.

    2. Re:BSA Ads on Slashdot by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It was a Google ad so I clicked on it, which hopefully costs them a few bucks.

      Why would you do that? Don't you know that if people keep doing it, nobody will make computer programs anymore...!?

    3. Re:BSA Ads on Slashdot by cskrat · · Score: 1

      Maybe I should turn ads back on to get a laugh or two. Out of curiosity, was it just a karma threshold that I crossed to get the option to turn ads off or is it some sort of seniority thing?

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    4. Re:BSA Ads on Slashdot by vlm · · Score: 1

      Maybe I should turn ads back on to get a laugh or two. Out of curiosity, was it just a karma threshold that I crossed to get the option to turn ads off or is it some sort of seniority thing?

      Maybe if you have adblock on for too many years, they figure you'll never see them anyway, so why waste the bandwidth trying to?

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    5. Re:BSA Ads on Slashdot by jez9999 · · Score: 1

      I've never used AdBlock on principle, and I got the 'disable ads' checkbox for 'making a great contribution to the community'. Go figure.

    6. Re:BSA Ads on Slashdot by Omestes · · Score: 0, Offtopic

      also very mature of u to click on google ads so they lose money.

      Very mature of you to avoid having to reach for that inconvenient "shift" key, and saving all that effort of typing "y", and "o". Really "y", "o", and "u" are all withing FOUR characters of each other, the fingers almost stumble upon them like some miraculous accident. I can understand eschewing that pesky "shift" key though, you mustered the effort to hit it once, and once should always be enough. Overuse of anything can lead to problems, the "shift" key, I am sure, is no exception.

      When questioning maturity, always take pains to make sure you at least appear more mature than those who you are criticizing.

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    7. Re:BSA Ads on Slashdot by cskrat · · Score: 1

      I've never used adblock or similar. I just get that little checkbox on the /. frontpage allowing me to turn ads off.

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    8. Re:BSA Ads on Slashdot by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You do realize, maturity is highly over rated? You'll understand when all the hair slides off your head, down your back, and your belly hangs over your belt hiding your anatomical parts that you aren't interested enough to look for anymore...... and it gets even worse after that!

  6. Another pro-piracy article on Slashdot by bonch · · Score: 0, Troll

    Don't you guys get tired of being a stereotype? We get it--you don't believe piracy is bad, and any group that speaks out against piracy is wrong. You don't care about artist rights, blah blah blah. Do we really need a "piracy is great" rallying article every single day?

    1. Re:Another pro-piracy article on Slashdot by tsm_sf · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Don't you guys get tired of being wrong all the time? We get it-you don't believe facts carry much weight, and any group of people that points this out must have ulterior motives. You don't care about personal freedom, blah blah blah. Do we really need a "consume and conform" response to every article every single day?


      You see what I did there?

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    2. Re:Another pro-piracy article on Slashdot by osu-neko · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Supporting organizations and laws that take away the rights from both artists and consumers does not make you "pro-artist", it just makes you gullible if you think it does.

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    3. Re:Another pro-piracy article on Slashdot by Runaway1956 · · Score: 5, Insightful

      You don't "get it". Artist's rights are one thing - what the *iaa's are doing is quite another thing. If the various enforcement gestapos could be controlled, and set on a CONSTRUCTIVE PATH, then we might actually be able to address what an artist's rights might be. Today, copyright and patent laws are being abused, twisted into unrecognizable abortions, and the PEOPLE'S RIGHTS are being trampled.

      You're an artist? Great. How much money has your "label" made, and how much have you made from your art? Is the ratio something like 1000/1, or 10,000/1, or maybe even more?

      The mafiaa people don't give jack shit about you, any more than they care about the customers. You are an asset, nothing more, and nothing less, and you are as expendable as an office chair.

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    4. Re:Another pro-piracy article on Slashdot by Z00L00K · · Score: 4, Insightful

      There is a lot of hot air in claims from the BSA about losing so and so much money.

      The reality would be that much of the software that's in use illegally is by people that wouldn't have purchased it in the first case. So if it was completely impossible to pirate the software then it wouldn't be purchased at all.

      What BSA members wants is a certain level of "leak" to make people get the taste for the software.

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    5. Re:Another pro-piracy article on Slashdot by Zero__Kelvin · · Score: 3, Funny

      "You are an asset, nothing more, and nothing less, and you are as expendable as an office chair."

      I Guess that makes Suge Knight the Steve Ballmer of the Rap world ;-)

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    6. Re:Another pro-piracy article on Slashdot by erroneus · · Score: 2, Insightful

      It has never been the artists who collect on anything except for their live performances. From the moment they sign their contracts, they are "in debt" to the music publishers for marketing and advertising service fees. All the money made in selling records, tapes, CDs and MP3s is collected by the labels. The artists barely and rarely get any of that money.

      If ever there was an "ulterior motive" it is the RIAA claiming "artists" when they should be claiming their employers... the labels... the publishers!

      As for software piracy claims? I'm okay with their reporting the truth. If they aren't reporting the truth, I have a problem with it. And the DMCA and laws like it were supposed to help and it hasn't. Instead, it only harms individual consumers.

    7. Re:Another pro-piracy article on Slashdot by dontmakemethink · · Score: 2, Insightful

      The sad thing is that the music of independent artists is also being pirated, though to a lesser degree. They have no means of recompense whatsoever, in fact attempts to deter piracy are so prohibitively unpopular that the MAFIAA has a monopoly on effective countermeasures.

      Come to think of it, probably the best thing the MAFIAA could do would be an ad campaign that tells true stories of *indie* artists whose careers have been compromised by piracy. Then people might realize how many brilliant artists still have day jobs as a direct result of piracy.

      "Here's Johnny on tour, rocking a crowd of 1500. Here he is again, busing dishes at Boston Pizza. Here's a customer, leaving a fat tip for the cute waitress while he fires up Johnny's songs he downloaded illegally to his iPod."

      As a touring musician and sound tech, I see that exact scenario playing out *all the time*. We accept that piracy laws are unenforceable, yet still do what we do because it's our passion. However the justifications for piracy are a little tough to bear. It's incomprehensible to us that people should be offended by the notion of paying for every song and/or movie in their collection.

      Think if that happened to your industry. You'd quit and do something else, right? Do you want all your favorite musicians/actors/directors to quit? They're going to retire eventually, who will take their place? All the good upstarts are too busy busing dishes to practice.

      In four days I'm leaving on a tour where I'll be playing 25 shows in 24 days, lugging my gear myself, sleeping in a lot of shitholes, averaging 300 miles of driving per day. I dare anyone to whine about being held accountable for piracy when I get back.

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    8. Re:Another pro-piracy article on Slashdot by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Think if that happened to your industry. You'd quit and do something else, right?

      Actually i'm in the software industry and it happens alot (tho not as completely as music), i've moved on to a business model that is service based (software services) before the bottom totally falls out and release much of my software for free as open source projects.

      I'm happier than I was before and make the same (actually a little more) money.

      Just because you're clinging to a failing business model in an industry with a devastating monopoly (records studios) preventing indies from getting anywhere serious doesn't mean I should feel sorry for you or even care.

      Maybe if enough of you started joining places like Magnatune things could change for the better.

    9. Re:Another pro-piracy article on Slashdot by Thinboy00 · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Downloads are not profitable. They have never been profitable. The internet exists to link people and computers together. It is not designed to make money, and it is not going to contort itself into some bizarre shape involving DRM and other nonsense just because you want some cash. If you need the money, make it on concert swag and CDs (yes, people actually do still buy those, if you sell them!) like people used to. You don't need the internet to make money. The only reason you have for using the internet is buzzword-compliance. I'm sorry that you're unable to make money on the internet, but pre-internet indie bands were facing much tougher challenges (more expensive equipment, no internet to sell their mp3s on, etc.) and still did fine.

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    10. Re:Another pro-piracy article on Slashdot by siloko · · Score: 1

      There is a lot of hot air in claims from the BSA about losing so and so much money.

      The simple fact is usage of digital information will eventually be the driver behind new laws. How, when and where we use information can no longer be controlled by various corporate entities. It may take a little while for legislation to catch up, but catch up it will. Until that time hot air will continue to be expended on both sides whilst the rest of us are busy copying, sharing, promoting . . .

    11. Re:Another pro-piracy article on Slashdot by Falconhell · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Whilst I gave up touring in a similar gig myself a few years ago, it was always the case that conditions are pretty bad on tour.

      Instead of moaning about that why not get another line of work if you dislike the conditions under which you work-thats what I did. I now play mainly for enjoyment, but I still play-face it the music scene is one in which you get involved for the pleasure not the money. If you think you will make a fortune you are probably deluded.

      Nearly all the acts I worked and played with made all of their money from live playing. Its a tough life but if you love it you are prepared to accept the downside. In all my time I never bitched about copyright!

    12. Re:Another pro-piracy article on Slashdot by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Informative

      Ehhh, don't feel to lonely. I used to work construction. I also used to drive a truck. Canadians and Mexicans both are taking over the trucking industry, the Mexicans took over the construction en masse. I couldn't BUY a job in either field today. Know what? There are no laws to protect me, or the tens of thousands of other people like me. I LIKE working with my hands, making wood, concrete, and iron take shape. That's a thing of the past. With the economy in the shape it's in, even the Mexicans aren't finding any work at subsistence wages.

      Remind me to feel sorry for the guy who washes dishes 3 or 4 days a week, then plays with a band on the weekends.

    13. Re:Another pro-piracy article on Slashdot by dontmakemethink · · Score: 1

      Instead of moaning about that why not get another line of work if you dislike the conditions under which you work

      I covered that in the parent post:
      "Think if that happened to your industry. You'd quit and do something else, right? Do you want all your favorite musicians/actors/directors to quit? They're going to retire eventually, who will take their place? All the good upstarts are too busy busing dishes to practice."

      To that I will add that an artist worth downloading is worth supporting. No support, no more art.

      In all my time I never bitched about copyright!

      How many albums did you record? How much did they cost to produce?

      Or did you play mostly covers? No doubt you never complained about copyright!

      We're touring our sixth album which cost over $10k to produce and press 1000 copies (relatively cheap but we like it raw). We do quite well considering our sound isn't mainstream, but if we were to lose even 20% of our sales to piracy, we would only record an occasional single to keep our name out there. The numbers on mainstream piracy are well over 40%.

      Not to mention, who takes the theft of work they take pride in sitting down? I sure don't.

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    14. Re:Another pro-piracy article on Slashdot by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

      Um, its not theft. its copyright infringement. Totally different and barely comparable in spite of what the music and movie studios would like you to think.

      If you wre lucky enough to have 40% piracy then you would be selling an order of magnitude more records (that whole popularity thing). You would be doing alot better than you are now. Sure losing 40% sucks, but its 40% of a much bigger pie.

      Another problem in today's day and age is that the global population and the ability to interact with them has reached the point where there is a heavy saturation of "artists" as compared with the ability to "consume" the artists product. There are hundreds of thousands (if not millions) of "amateur artists" out there vying for what is in essence not alot of the populations time.

      Global distribution technologies means a single mega artist can fill one of a few dozen slots in the average persons time spread across the global population. Get a few dozen mega artists and there really isn't any time for the newer independent talent. This is part of the secret of the studios. They spend all their time filling those slots and souting for the next thing to fill them. All they have to do, is find someone, cross market them with an existing artist in one of those slots. If they can stand on their own they get a slot and someone gets bumped, if they can't they get thrown back to the wolves with a pile of debt.

    15. Re:Another pro-piracy article on Slashdot by Saeed+al-Sahaf · · Score: 1

      Now, this isn't meant to be flamebait, it's an honest question:

      Isn't the BSA really just a front for Microsoft? Isn't most (virtually all) of their business cracking down on pirated installs of Server 2000, Office, and SQL Server?

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    16. Re:Another pro-piracy article on Slashdot by SharpFang · · Score: 1

      >>Downloads are not profitable. They have never been profitable.

      Considering the enormous flop iTunes were, I guess you are right.

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    17. Re:Another pro-piracy article on Slashdot by TheVelvetFlamebait · · Score: 1

      Notice that the GP didn't support said organisations. He was against piracy, which is a problem independent of said organisations, and which does deprive artists of their rights.

      It's a frighteningly common conflation here on slashdot. How would you respond if I told you that if you're against the BSA, you just want all software for yourself for free? Exactly.

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    18. Re:Another pro-piracy article on Slashdot by TheVelvetFlamebait · · Score: 1

      The reality would be that much of the software that's in use illegally is by people that wouldn't have purchased it in the first case. So if it was completely impossible to pirate the software then it wouldn't be purchased at all.

      It's part of the same reality that people use this to falsely justify their downloads, and deflate the value that they perceived they pirated. It seems sensible to err on the side of caution here.

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    19. Re:Another pro-piracy article on Slashdot by pfleming · · Score: 4, Insightful

      However the justifications for piracy are a little tough to bear. It's incomprehensible to us that people should be offended by the notion of paying for every song and/or movie in their collection.

      I'm offended by having to buy four copies to play in four different places. If I buy a CD - and I do - I want to be able to listen to it at home, in my car and on my MP3 player. I only download for free those tracks that are offered for free by the artist/vendor. Amazon.com has free tracks from time to time. So does Janis Ian. So do other MP3 sites. Stop pretending that I'm hurting you because you only sold be a CD and couldn't get me to buy all the different formats you can think up.

    20. Re:Another pro-piracy article on Slashdot by Archades54 · · Score: 1

      problem is, not all that download the music can truely afford to. However since they do, if it's any good it'll get airtime with friends, family and potentially get you more people to the next gig. What i see all the time is people who'd never buy music but will download it and get a liking for it, end up wanting to see them live and would pay for that. Guess it's like a preview system so to say, but if you're music is 5bucks n album I think i know plenty of people that'd gladly hand it over if the music is good.

      In this day n age I'd be glad to be receiving any money, funds are tight and seems to be millions of bands to choose from. The real money-maker for bands should be the touring, but if it's not that feasable than either the band hasn't got enough coverage (piracy can actually help here, or releasing 1 or 2 good songs for free even) or the band just isn't as good as they think. Sometimes people expect to be raking it in just for making a song, even if the song is total shit.

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    21. Re:Another pro-piracy article on Slashdot by Archades54 · · Score: 1

      20% sales lost to piracy though isn't anything to go by, a person can download a million songs and have barely enough cash to get internet access let alone buy those songs. It's nice to think each piece of pirated work would bring you in cash but in the real world it cannot work. A potential customer is still not a customer until the cash is in hand, maybe ask yourselves why they are turning to pirate the stuff vs buying, is it they want it for free? (never will be a customer, or not at this point) They think it costs too much?(Possibly lower costs, or offer singles for sale instead of an album with 2songs good, the rest boring people to tears).

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    22. Re:Another pro-piracy article on Slashdot by Falconhell · · Score: 1

      Perhaps if you concentrated and made a quality product that is not "cheap an raw" you might get somewhere, though that might be protecting you from being pirated, no point in stealing rubbish.

      10K wouldnt even pay a half decent producer.

      If you want top play original music, you should accept right from the start that you are doing it for pleasure only. The chances of making a decent living are extremely remote, especially when you set yourself up to fail by being as you put it "not mainstream".

      When I was still recording originals (Most of my playing time was in original bands, we did 3 albums in total)the whole band accepted that right from the start.

      Reality is the music industry has been a giant garbage recycling industry since the mid 80's

      Art for arts sake you see.

      If you dont like the facts get a real job.

  7. Monkeys on a typewriter by Zankarst · · Score: 0

    "Sweden has a low piracy rate but remains an area of concern because it is considered a safe haven for P2P Internet piracy sites. [...] It is estimated that more than 20 percent of these top sites are hosted in Sweden. One of them, the BitTorrent hub called "PirateBay," is one of the most trafficked Web sites in the world."

    They can't even spell thepiratebay correctly.

    "Factors helping to lower piracy - Technical advances: Digital rights management, embodied in programs like Microsoftâ(TM)s Windows Genuine Advantage, will lower piracy by encouraging customer self-audits and by offering services not available to users of non-legal software."
    I had to laugh at that.

    1. Re:Monkeys on a typewriter by blackest_k · · Score: 1

      Windows Genuine Advantage sure worked for me, I've been running Linux for years now.

      I prefer not to allow spy-ware on my systems, why should I? The vast majority of PC systems come with windows pre-installed, microsoft already got paid sale done. There can be no justification for treating their customers as criminals. In the USA if the Police were performing random warrant-less searches any thing found would be inadmissible in a court of law, so why should a software company be allowed to do what is illegal for the police to do?

      In my country if a security guard was to stop a shopper and search their bag and find no evidence of stolen goods the shopper could then choose to sue the security company for defamation of character usually resulting in a cash award of 10-20 thousand euro. Surely Microsoft are pretty much doing the same thing.

             

  8. hanging by Joebert · · Score: 2, Funny

    How did they bring piracy under control before, didn't they use hanging ?

    Maybe that's what we have to do again.

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    1. Re:hanging by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Hm, I thought they brought piracy under control when the countries stopped paying them to raid ships of the other countries which they don't like.

    2. Re:hanging by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Under control?

      Clearly you're not following the recent stories about pirates on the high seas.

    3. Re:hanging by witherstaff · · Score: 1

      No, they used Seal Snipers.

    4. Re:hanging by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      How did they bring piracy under control before, didn't they use hanging ?

      Or if you're feeling a little more extreme, read 'Noir' by K.W. Jetter - pirates had their bodies stripped down to minimal cortical areas and spinal column tissue and then turned into perpetually-conscious audio cables, which were given to the copyright holders...

      Good book though.

  9. huh? by eugene2k · · Score: 5, Insightful

    >Questions have also been raised over the BSA's methodology

    BSA has a methodology?

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    1. Re:huh? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Interesting

      > BSA has a methodology?

      Yup. "Sue no matter what."

      They break in to your place of business, having convinced federal marshals that you would destroy all the evidence on your computers if they didn't. Then they take all your computers, based on whatever tip they got from an ex-employee or other anonymous source and had a judge sign off on while you weren't there (hearing held ex parte). They run their own infringement finding software that attempts to scan your network and seize all the computers they can, shutting you down whether you were guilty or not.

      Finally, they sue you unless you can provided dated purchase orders for each and every computer and piece of software. Yes, every. And no, the little "Genuine Windows" sticker on the PCs won't save you. It doesn't count.

      After this, you get dragged into court and urge you to settle for $bignum while getting really expensive site license agreements that protect you so long as you pay them way more than all your software is actually worth. This has never happened to me personally, but I refer you to the case of Ernie Ball.

    2. Re:huh? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      But I run CP/M on all my machines! Beat that BSA!

  10. BSA Methodology: Make it up as you go along... by Jens+Bergqvist · · Score: 5, Informative

    Earlier in the week BSA representatives here in Sweden all but admitted that the figures for Sweden were made up.
    http://www.idg.se/2.1085/1.229795/bsa-hoftade-sverigesiffror (sorry, link in Swedish only)
    They used a combination of general estimates and figures for other countries. No Swedish businesses were involved in the study at all...

    1. Re:BSA Methodology: Make it up as you go along... by StikyPad · · Score: 1
  11. DMCA reduces piracy rates by rs232 · · Score: 3, Interesting

    "the report ultimately undermined one of the BSA's core arguments -- that countries which enact DMCA-style legislation experience significantly reduced piracy rates"

    The fallacy being that the crooks will comply with the law, as .. beign crooks, they are prone to break it. Same with ID-cards, being pushed by the consumer sector to reduce Credit-Card fraud. All it will do is boost the trade in fake IDs ..

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    1. Re:DMCA reduces piracy rates by T+Murphy · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Same with ID-cards, being pushed by the consumer sector to reduce Credit-Card fraud. All it will do is boost the trade in fake IDs ..

      If someone picks up your credit card and doesn't need an ID, they can start charging as soon as they walk into a store. It takes time to get a fake ID together, time in which you can discover your credit card is missing, and call it in.

    2. Re:DMCA reduces piracy rates by BobMcD · · Score: 1

      That depends purely on the advances in fake ID methodology and technology.

      It is still merely an arms race. The honest man wants to save costs, because it is his money. The criminal is willing to invest in a fake ID printing machine that will fit in his car, primarily because he purchased it with stolen funds...

  12. Oh No! Zimbabwe is pirating! by Stevecrox · · Score: 4, Interesting

    The study found seven countries with piracy rates of 90 percent or higher: Georgia, Bangladesh, Armenia, Zimbabwe, Sri Landa, Azerbaijan and Moldova.

    Why is the BSA even surveying countries which recently had a major war, are having battles with rebels or are suffering hyper inflation to the point their economy is broken? Is a surprise that people pirate in such conditions? Shouldn't there be some acceptance that in a country where physical property is hard to come by/keep that people ignore intangible property?

    Roughly speaking the firm takes an estimate of the amount of computers shipped to individual companies, takes a further estimate of what software should be on those machines, and compares that, not to exact software sales, but to interviews with software vendors.

    I don't see how such data gathering methods can give a legitimate support either, I don't think such sloppy researching would pass any scientific rigour, combine that with a test group of 6000 out of a supposed 6 billion and you8 don't have anything actually useful to go by. Its like setting up a small niche website and then estimating world web browser usage based on adding up the monthly percentages of visits from each browser.

    1. Re:Oh No! Zimbabwe is pirating! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Troll

      Why Not? Al Gore used this same argument to "Prove" global warming. Take 300 years of weather data and extrapolate it over a six billion year period. Surely the BSA can use the same faulty logic

    2. Re:Oh No! Zimbabwe is pirating! by cskrat · · Score: 1

      That and Zimbabwe has a per-capita income of about $200 USD per year. By the time someone there saves up for Vista, the Duke Nukem trademarks will have entered the public domain and DNF will go gold as an open source project.

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    3. Re:Oh No! Zimbabwe is pirating! by turbidostato · · Score: 2, Funny

      "Why is the BSA even surveying countries which recently had a major war, are having battles with rebels or are suffering hyper inflation to the point their economy is broken?"

      BSA is about piracy, isn't it? Well, I'd say high seas and recent war scenarios are the most suitable for pirates, don't you think so? Arrrrh!

    4. Re:Oh No! Zimbabwe is pirating! by HeronBlademaster · · Score: 1

      Incidentally, my wife watched that movie yesterday (it somehow ended up at the top of our Netflix queue).

      There is one particular graph (generated from Antarctic ice cores) that covers tens of thousands of years, and shows temperature and CO2 content during that time. There is an obvious and definite cycle on that graph, as he points out.

      Anyway, "tens of thousands of years" is a little more than 300 years...

      Given that, I still think his conclusions aren't supported by the data.

    5. Re:Oh No! Zimbabwe is pirating! by http · · Score: 1

      It seems less scientific than a slashdot poll.

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    6. Re:Oh No! Zimbabwe is pirating! by mpe · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Why is the BSA even surveying countries which recently had a major war, are having battles with rebels or are suffering hyper inflation to the point their economy is broken? Is a surprise that people pirate in such conditions? Shouldn't there be some acceptance that in a country where physical property is hard to come by/keep that people ignore intangible property?

      That "physical property" including computers to run any software on as well as the electricity necessary to operate them. Maybe the BSA dosn't survey these countries at all they just make up some numbers...

    7. Re:Oh No! Zimbabwe is pirating! by daveime · · Score: 1

      As the Earth is around 4.5 billion years old, your 10,000 years is still only 0.0002%

      It's still hardly representative.

    8. Re:Oh No! Zimbabwe is pirating! by SharpFang · · Score: 1

      I wonder how many legal outlets do they have in these countries.
      Like, how far would you have to travel to purchase a legal copy of Windows?

      Also, how many average salaries one such copy is?

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    9. Re:Oh No! Zimbabwe is pirating! by hplus · · Score: 1
      Look very carefully at this next phrase:

      Tens of thousands of years.

    10. Re:Oh No! Zimbabwe is pirating! by daveime · · Score: 1

      Look very carefully at *this* ...

      10,000 years === 0.0002%

      Even using the extreme case of 9 x "tens of thousands of years", that's still only 0.0018%. My point stands. Next ?

    11. Re:Oh No! Zimbabwe is pirating! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Look very carefully at *this* ...

      10,000 years === 0.0002%

      Even using the extreme case of 9 x "tens of thousands of years", that's still only 0.0018%. My point stands. Next ?

      And your point is that since we can't know for sure, we should just ignore the current trends that will begin to wreak havoc in many parts of the world over the next several decades, last for who knows how long, and ultimately affect all of us? Good plan!

    12. Re:Oh No! Zimbabwe is pirating! by Tuoqui · · Score: 1

      Roughly speaking the firm takes an estimate of the amount of computers shipped to individual companies, takes a further estimate of what software should be on those machines, and compares that, not to exact software sales, but to interviews with software vendors.

      I think this is total bullshit method for determining piracy rates. This means that if you sold a computer if they sold it with Linux on it, Microsoft would only have to say that one of every machine needs Windows on it (because every system needs an OS) and BAM inflated piracy numbers. Just like Adobe says about 1 in 10 computers should have Photoshop, but if they're all equipped with GIMP.

      After all how likely do you think it is that someone like Microsoft is going to acknowledge Apple's marketshare... Or Linux's? Not bloody likely. Which means its pointless to believe these numbers in teh first place

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  13. You sir, are a capitalist swine bear pig !! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    and I mean that in a nice sort of way, as best /. is willing to allow

  14. And the BSA still doesn't get it. by cskrat · · Score: 5, Insightful

    A pirated copy is not necessarily a lost sale. If you look at the highest rate list compared to the lowest rate list for countries you'll see that the countries with the highest rates of piracy generally have the lowest per capita GDP. This shows a link between ability to pay for software and actually paying for it.

    To put a face on this, the recent college grad with a job at 7-11 and $50k in student loan debt is going to need tools to make the money needed to buy tools.

    Another factor is the fact that the BSA still counts an install of Adobe's $2500 Master Suite on Mom's computer as being a lost sale. Trust me when I say that Mom only has that because she thought it was neat to paste pictures of her and Dad standing on top of the Eiffel tower. She does not use it commercially and therefore cannot justify spending $2500 on an idle amusement. If Adobe managed to make a DRM scheme that couldn't be cracked they still wouldn't get a sale from her. Instead she'd just go back to scissors and rubber cement.

    In fact according to the BSA PDF.

    Consumers generally install more software on their
    computers, both new and old, than businesses. Hence,
    while consumers account for 45 percent of PCs shipped,
    they account for 55 percent of PC software deployed.

    This fits well with the idea that consumers are installing professional software that is never used commercially.

    Cost and ability to pay are the biggest factors of piracy. The BSA needs to segregate their report into two sections for consumer piracy and commercial piracy. Consumer piracy is less likely to be a lost sale than commercial piracy.

    Furthermore, companies whose professional software packages may have consumer appeal might want to try performing a trial where they make the latest version of their software package available for free as a beta or time limited trial with semi-anonymous usage tracking to figure out exactly what patterns distinguish a professional user from someone just screwing around. This would allow the company to use this data to offer a mostly functional 'Home' version for dirt cheap that has just the right features disabled to make sure that professional users won't ever touch it. A home user of Photoshop, for example, will probably never work with 100MB images whereas a professional designing a poster or magazine spread will. Careful analysis and planning will allow these companies to actually make a few extra sales off of lower budget consumers without cutting into their customer base for professional users.

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    1. Re:And the BSA still doesn't get it. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      A pirated copy is not necessarily a lost sale.

      I think there's a good chance that a pirated copy is a lost sale, though not necessarily of the pirated software. I mean, even if Photoshop suddenly became impossible to pirate (I assume it isn't already), people would still need to manipulate images. They'd just have to use some cheaper - or free - alternative.

    2. Re:And the BSA still doesn't get it. by mark-t · · Score: 4, Insightful

      To put a face on this, the recent college grad with a job at 7-11 and $50k in student loan debt is going to need tools to make the money needed to buy tools.

      My 18 year old griped at me a few weeks ago because I wouldn't let him install a pirated version of photoshop on a computer that is on our home LAN. He presented almost this exact same argument. I still don't buy it. If he needs tools to learn, he can pick them up at an academic discount while he is still a student and gain experience with them that way. After he graduates, he doesn't need to own the software himself as a business professional unless he's going to only do freelancing.... which, I am compelled to point out, is a poor business plan if one is intending to repay a $50K student loan.

    3. Re:And the BSA still doesn't get it. by cskrat · · Score: 1

      Not counting FOSS offerings, many of the cheaper alternatives are of such low quality that they're not worth installing at any price. I'm talking about application crashes, unnecessary drivers that won't install on x64 operating systems, hijacking system functions like auto-insert detection, etc. And some software such as Windows just simply doesn't have cheap alternatives that will function appropriately for consumers. And before you say that Linux is a viable alternative to Windows, I want you to drive to Wal-Mart, Target and Best Buy and tell me how many software boxes there mention Linux on the back.

      This is why I wrote the last paragraph in my above post. People that can't afford a Cadillac will usually either buy a Chevy or ride the bus, they won't risk life and limb in a Tata or Yugo. Unfortunately, software vendors seem to not understand how to strip a Caddy down to a Chevy. The stripped down versions are missing the left headlight, the windows are made of plastic tarp and the passenger door is welded shut.

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    4. Re:And the BSA still doesn't get it. by cskrat · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Your situation is slightly different from what I was talking about (and had to go through myself) where the student is no longer living at home and has to be able to budget rent, utilities, food, transportation, tuition, books and tools on a part-time income while only qualifying for enough financial aid to pay for most of their tuition. I have faith that since your son is still living at home and that you are claiming him as a dependent in lieu of charging him rent he was able to afford the $449 to $999 (after educational discount) to pick up a CS4 suite package that contains the software he needs.

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    5. Re:And the BSA still doesn't get it. by kramerd · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Hang on one second...what the hell is a college grad with 50k in debt doing working at a 7-11?

      Secondly, why would "mom" download a $2500 adobe master suite when the features she gets from her free copy of photoshop that was installed for her on her windows box from Dell (thus driving up the profits for the manufacturer) provide all the picture amusement she wants?

      Now for a long rant. To ignore the rant, read outside the brackets.

      [Begin Rant]

      If adobe thought they could make more money by lowering their price on proprietary software, they would. In reality, nothing else comes close to the value provided by their $2500 software packaage, and those who can afford it, buy it. Those who can't afford it, probably don't need it. There isnt a situation where a legitimate user of the software for commerical purposes would have a client that would ask them to work without appropriate tools.

      If you find yourself in the position where a client wants you to complete work that requires software that you dont have, you either get the client to pay for it, pony up the money yourself because multiple clients will need you to use it, or you turn them down for the position.

      A home user of photoshop will at some point work with 100MB images. They certainly don't today, but 3-5 MB images are common. A 10 Megapixel point and shoot camera sells for under $200 today. A quick craigslist search in my area (atlanta) shows a Sony 60 GB internal hard drive camcorder available for sale for under $500. Its even easier to use than the one my mother does.

      The line between professional and home user is shrinking every day, and quite honestly, the difference doesn't matter to the vast majority of users. Breaking software into professional and home makes less sense over time. The difference between consumer piracy and commercial piracy is that the consumer has more assets at stake when caught and the commericial is more likely to be caught.

      I don't know where the concept of a lost sale comes from, but it isnt from piracy. Consumers either purchase things or they dont. It is the purpose of the business to produce things that consumers want to buy. Not to produce things that consumers want to use. With software, the only thing you are really selling is the promise to continue to sell and back up that product. A copy of software has no intrinsic value.

      [Hey look, a car analogy!] A car, in contrast, has intrinsic value. It serves a purpose, of transportation of people, goods, and creation of ability for service involving the transportation of people and goods. Over time, the value of a car decreases, as newer models are produced that complete the same function with less upkeep, higher safety features, and improved functions. Software, quite similiarly, gets updated, gets improved, and becomes more functional and useful over time. If I tweak my car, and make it faster, or more fuel efficient, or safer, or upgrade it from automatic to manual for better handling, or paint it a ridiculous color that matches your favorite sports team, I can sell it for more than I bought it. If I buy software, and I tweak it to perform better, or improve the skin, or actually work with my alternate operating system, I can't resell it. This makes sense. There is no value added when I tweak software, because infinite copies can be made at no marginal cost.

      When you buy software, you are buying the next upgrade. You are paying salary, and R&D, and education for future software engineers, and updates, and upgrades, and maybe even a small/large profit to create incentive for the software creators to keep creating. With professional software, this is a business. If you create software as a hobby, you aren't going to be better than a business. By definition, there is no guarantee that future software or upgrades or improvements or service will be provided, and businesses need these things to remain competitive.

      [End Rant]

      Getting slightly on topic, I don't believe that DRM beneficial to businesses. Its a c

    6. Re:And the BSA still doesn't get it. by cskrat · · Score: 1

      Addendum:

      Some companies are very accepting of student usage. Autodesk (i.e. AutoCAD) offers their software for free for personal or educational use. Microsoft offers Express Edition versions of their Visual Studio applications for free for personal or educational use. VMWare offers their products for free to educational institutions, though students do still need to purchase a license for use on their personal systems.

      As a note on the MS Express Edition products. Yes they are stripped down versions of the full professional versions but someone who uses VS C# Express can still learn the language well enough to not make an ass of themselves when they go out to interview. Someone who bought Photoshop Elements because they couldn't afford the academic price for just Photoshop ($299) isn't going to be able to say the same.

      Adobe products are a poor example of academic discounts because the academic price for their products is still steep even if it does look good compared to the insane retail price. And while it's all well and good that when your son lands a job as a graphic artist (or whatever he's going for) his company might pay for his tools, he still needs to be able to pass an interview process where he'll be competing with other people that do have this software installed at home (legitimately or otherwise).

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    7. Re:And the BSA still doesn't get it. by ljw1004 · · Score: 1

      Adobe already produce a home version of Photoshop. It's called "Photoshop Elements" and comes bundled free with many digital cameras and scanners. And still has more features than most home users seem able to use.

    8. Re:And the BSA still doesn't get it. by TheTurtlesMoves · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Why is that Adobes or another software firms problem? In fact why is that anyones problem accepts his/hers? You want free software for the poor now? Perhaps you should suggested this too your local social welfare representative along with free rent and free cars.

      If you can't afford an apartment, stay at home or with family. If you can't afford a sports car, don't buy one. Its not the car manufactures fault. If you can't afford a 16 core 65Gb ram number crunching monster server, don't buy one, its not IBMs problem. If you can't afford the tuition fees for the university, don't go, its not the university problem. If you can't afford the software, well you get the point.. (I hope).

      You are not entitled stuff just because you want it, or even because you "need" it. And need is a big stretch.

      I think you misunderstand what the free in free market means.

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    9. Re:And the BSA still doesn't get it. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You seem to have a grave misapprehension about the society you're living in if you feel the necessity of a university education is a big stretch...

    10. Re:And the BSA still doesn't get it. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      > Hang on one second...what the hell is a college grad with 50k in debt doing working at a 7-11?

      Trying to pay it off, even in this terrible economy? They don't call it wage slavery for nothing. And there really aren't many jobs out there right now...

      How do I know? I was the sysadmin for a factory. Then they decided that I had too much free time. Now I do factory work all night (unless a computer breaks down) while searching for a new job...

  15. In other news... by Celc · · Score: 5, Funny
    • BSA is killing at least 9 babies every day.

    • 5 our of 10 RIAA employees snort crack.

    • MPAA responsible for 80% of Global Warming.

    In line with the BSA methodology this has all been confirmed through the use of chicken intestines, tea leaves and and an unhealthy amount of LSD.

    1. Re:In other news... by shogun · · Score: 1

      MPAA products are used by %99.95* of the people who are responsible for climate change.
      * (the remainder are both deaf and blind)

    2. Re:In other news... by almechist · · Score: 2, Informative

      • 5 out of 10 RIAA employees snort crack.

      You do know that crack, being insoluble, can't be snorted? Of course you did! How silly of me, delivering a product by the most inefficient means possible is an riaa specialty. I have to say, it's good to see they live their personal lives by the same rules they want to foist off on the rest of us.

    3. Re:In other news... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You wouldn't steal a handbag.

      You wouldn't steal a car.

      You wouldn't steal a baby.

      You wouldn't shoot a policeman, and then steal his helmet.
      You wouldn't go to the toilet in his helmet.
      And then send it to the policemans grieving widow.
      And then steal it again!

      Downloading films is stealing. If you do it you will face the consequences.

    4. Re:In other news... by dkf · · Score: 1

      • 5 out of 10 RIAA employees snort crack.

      You do know that crack, being insoluble, can't be snorted?

      I won't tell them they've been snorting (and paying top prices for) icing sugar cut with talc, baking powder and dandruff if you won't...

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    5. Re:In other news... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yeh, right sure I will, just hasnt happened in the last 10 years eh? Crawl back under your rock asshole.

    6. Re:In other news... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You can turn in your "IT Crowd Geek Card" at the door, asshole

    7. Re:In other news... by SharpFang · · Score: 1

      Always remember to use a clean needle when you inject marijuana!

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    8. Re:In other news... by Jason+Levine · · Score: 1

      No, no, no.... You're doing it wrong. You need to link the BSA, MPAA, and RIAA to child pornography and terrorism. Then politicians will outlaw these organizations and angry mobs will gather pitchforks and torches while marching to the organizations' respective headquarters. Don't make the link just yet though. I still need time to set up Jason's Pitchfork and Torch Emporium. ;-)

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  16. Arguing with the BSA by Mr.+Underbridge · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Michael Geist noted that the report ultimately undermined one of the BSA's core arguments -- that countries which enact DMCA-style legislation experience significantly reduced piracy rates.

    Yeah, but you can't fight these guys with logic. All they'll say to that is "See? The problem is so bad in those countries we need *even stronger laws*!

    Logic and evidence is pointless when the statistics and facts in this situation are so highly open to interpretation. That makes it problem solvable only by lobbying, not facts. Those of us who are against their draconian measures need to become as politically influential as they are - something that seems unlikely right now.

    1. Re:Arguing with the BSA by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      being politically infuential is too much work.
      Work i don't want to do.

    2. Re:Arguing with the BSA by HeronBlademaster · · Score: 3, Interesting

      I have noticed that with few exceptions, the people who would make good politicians - that is, the people who actually know things about relevant issues - are drawn to professions that would actually earn real money. For example, how many computer programmers do you know who have run for office?

      Almost any programmer worth his salt is going to be earning a lot more money programming than he could in public office - it's irrelevant whether his knowledge would be directly applicable to laws that would be passed during his term.

      If we want smart people in office examining our laws, we need to pay them what they're worth.

    3. Re:Arguing with the BSA by Mr.+Underbridge · · Score: 1

      the people who would make good politicians - that is, the people who actually know things about relevant issues - are drawn to professions that would actually earn real money.

      Completely agree. And consider those who actually can make money at a "real" profession but choose to slog their way up the political ladder - what kind of narcissistic SOB does it take to do that?

    4. Re:Arguing with the BSA by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I think public servants should not be driven by money, and the other benefits are actually pretty nice.

    5. Re:Arguing with the BSA by TheTurtlesMoves · · Score: 1

      The best person to have power is someone who does not want it. Unfortunately these people are not on the candidate list.

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  17. It is a shame because BSA has by Presto+Vivace · · Score: 4, Insightful

    legitimate interests to protect. They are just going about it in a way that delegitimizes themselves and makes heroes out of thieves. It doesn't have to be that way.

    1. Re:It is a shame because BSA has by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      please mod up

  18. Limited demo by tepples · · Score: 1

    What BSA members wants is a certain level of "leak" to make people get the taste for the software.

    Many BSA members already publish a time-limited demo of their products and/or a feature-limited "lite" version (e.g. Photoshop Elements).

  19. Sure ain't gonna buy it after going through all by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Sure ain't gonna buy it after going through all that trouble to steal it, now am I, hm? So you are right, I wouldn't buy it CUZ I CAN STEALZ IT!! It's my right, after all. It's what the Internet is all about. Am I right people or am I right? Are you with me or are you agin' me? Are you PRO-FREE or are you PRO-UNFREE!!

    1. Re:Sure ain't gonna buy it after going through all by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Your retarded hissyfit is doing nothing to further your cause or bring any awareness to any issues that might possibly be supportive of your point of view.

  20. Thepirat eBay by tepples · · Score: 2, Funny

    They can't even spell thepiratebay correctly.

    I wonder if eBay has threatened Thepirat eBay.

  21. Gulf War II by tepples · · Score: 1

    Why is the BSA even surveying countries which recently had a major war

    Probably because many of the BSA's biggest members, such as Microsoft, are headquartered in a country that is still fighting a major war.

    Its like setting up a small niche website and then estimating world web browser usage based on adding up the monthly percentages of visits from each browser.

    Yet Slashdot users so often brag about declines in Windows Internet Explorer's share at w3schools.

    1. Re:Gulf War II by Darkness404 · · Score: 1

      Probably because many of the BSA's biggest members, such as Microsoft, are headquartered in a country that is still fighting a major war.

      Major war? The wars in Iraq and Afghanistan have cost the life of ~6000 US men and women in the armed forces. Sure, thats a lot. But when compared to many battles of WWII thats a small amount, the invasion of Normandy alone took the lives of 1/6th that number, and that was slightly longer than a month. These wars have been dragging on for over 5 years.

      Yet Slashdot users so often brag about declines in Windows Internet Explorer's share at w3schools.

      Um, perhaps thats because W3schools is quite heavily IE-centric? Including many niche tutorials over things only supported by IE (such as a series on VBScript).

      A niche website would be one focused on one single thing, such as a site based solely on tweaking Ubuntu or compiling Gentoo. W3schools has a wide demographic or one more focused on MS.

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    2. Re:Gulf War II by Tubal-Cain · · Score: 1

      Major war? The wars in Iraq and Afghanistan have cost the life of ~6000 US men and women in the armed forces.

      Wikipedia says 4,296 (4,614 total coalition, excluding Iraqi police forces).

      Sure, thats a lot. But when compared to many battles of WWII thats a small amount, the invasion of Normandy alone took the lives of 1/6th that number, and that was slightly longer than a month. These wars have been dragging on for over 5 years.

      Individual American Civil War battles cost more lives than all of Iraq. Both sides in the Battle of Gettysburg lost nearly 4 times as many (using your 6,000 figure).

  22. Sure its BS by nurb432 · · Score: 1

    But few people will ever hear the truth so the lie will be perpetuated, and laws will continue to be passed, and more restrictions will be put into place.

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  23. Methodology ? by gearloos · · Score: 2, Insightful

    "Questions have also been raised over the BSA's methodology," If I remember right the best "methodology" BSA had was to get disgruntled employees to turn the company in for the satisfaction of watching the boss squirm. Only problem was, once accused, you were guilty until proven innocent; I.E. the burden of proof rests on the defendant. Great business model. BSA asshats ftw

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    "Computers are a lot like Air Conditioners" "They both work great until you start opening Windows"
    1. Re:Methodology ? by Tuoqui · · Score: 1

      Actually you're innocent until proven guilty. Just because the BSA makes an accusation does not mean you are obligated to help them prove their case. It is just in a civil case the bar for guilt is lower. If it is a criminal case the bar is 99% or beyond a reasonable doubt. In a Civil Case its like 50%+1, or preponderance of the evidence, basically whichever side makes a better argument.

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  24. If you're poor you're probably a pirate by AxeTheMax · · Score: 1

    One of their key 'facts' that the BSA uses to demonstrate that pirating is endemic in poor countries (in the executive summary of the report) -

    "While emerging economies account for 45 percent of the global PC hardware market, they account for less than 20 percent of the PC software market."

    So, if a poorer person wants a computer only to be able to browse the internet and handle email, that means he's a pirate. Because richer people routinely also pay for MS Office for letters, and MS Money for banking, etc., that automatically means that the poorer person is also using the same software, only not paying for it.

  25. All FOSS Users and non-upgraders are Pirates! by AlgorithMan · · Score: 4, Insightful
    "All FOSS Users and non-upgraders are Pirates!" - Thats basically what the BullShit Alliance says... Their Calculation goes like this:

    piracy = software necessity per PC (estimate) * number of PCs - sold software
    (see: Wikipedia)

    as you can see, they just have to raise their estimates of "how much software a PC needs" to skyrocket the piracy... also they don't consider people using older versions of software, so all in all their piracy report means nothing more than "we would have wanted to sell THIS much more software!"

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    The MAFIAA is a bunch of mindless jerks who will be the first up against the wall when the revolution comes
    1. Re:All FOSS Users and non-upgraders are Pirates! by BobMcD · · Score: 1

      Well, in a world where 'installed software' = 'potential sale', this is pretty close to true. By not upgrading to Vista, like you know you should, you're stealing the opportunity of that sale from Microsoft, from their point of view.

      They don't have anything to prove to you; they're the dominant force in the market. You're the one who's out of line, and they're trying to figure out why...

      'Pirate' just becomes the label they grab first. 'Non-customer' would be a more neutral term, but I think to the BSA this is basically the same thing. They're measuring opportunity.

      Not that I'm defending them. I feel that bellyaching about opportunity missed is very un-American. But still, I think I can see it from their, admittedly distorted, point of view.

  26. Broken Software Association spin Doctors by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The Broken Software Association (BSA), have always spun their own stories to feed their corporate masters. These are the hench men of the gang bosses of the software world. They are much like the brown-shirts of another jackbooted era. They still like kicking doors in, and making people suffer though. Its their job. They acknowledge that there is another way, they just don't really like it (no fun in that), and if their gang bosses get all crazy with 'oh, the software patent is reeeallly ours, get 'em', then their jack boots will try to stomp first and ask questions later. You don't have to be a brainless thug to work for them, it just helps a whole lot.

  27. I didn't buy anything this year by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    and that makes me a pirate...

  28. This is TERRIBLE news for the FOSS community by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

    I think people are missing the REALLY bad news from this data- that even in countries without a software market (high piracy), free options like Linux STILL fail to compete.

    It's the death of a talking point. They aren't "forced" to use Windows, since they aren't buying new computers. They can use anything... yet they would rather STEAL Windows than legitimately use a free Linux.

    If Linux were somehow a viable option if only it weren't for that evil old Microsoft forcing everyone to use it... then why isn't Linux thriving in markets without a Microsoft presence?

    1. Re:This is TERRIBLE news for the FOSS community by totally+bogus+dude · · Score: 1

      Firstly, how do you know they're not using Linux or something other than Windows? I mean, I assume they're not like you're doing, but we don't know. The BSAs methodology is basically to estimate the number of PCs and then look at sales figures in the region and assume that there should be corresponding software sales. Since Linux isn't sold, if Linux usage was 99% there'd still be a massive disparity between the number of PCs and the number of OS sales. Very little piracy, though.

      Additionally you argue the point as if "stealing" Windows is somehow harder than using Linux for free. In reality, pirated copies of Windows would be as easy to obtain as copies of a Linux distribution. If Windows has already achieved a significant marketshare (e.g. by Microsoft choosing to ignore the piracy because they'd rather people pirate Windows than use an alternative OS) then it would probably be easier to obtain a pirated copy of Windows than a legitimate copy of Linux. High marketshare tends to self-reinforce, since most people want whatever most other people are using.

  29. BSA Rebates? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

    So, if the BSA comes into my company and finds that we have $10,000 in paid licenses that we aren't using, will they give us a check?

    We've been switching everything to Linux and other FOSS the last year just because keeping up with licenses isn't worth it.

  30. Re:Another pro-freedom article on Slashdot by bit01 · · Score: 1

    Don't you guys get tired of being a stereotype? We get it--you don't believe piracy is bad, and any group that speaks out against piracy is wrong. You don't care about artist rights, blah blah blah. Do we really need a "piracy is great" rallying article every single day?

    Yes. You're lucky more people aren't doing it. Just a tiny response to the tsunami of propaganda that parasitic middlemen propagate.

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    Marketing talk is not just cheap, it has negative value. Free speech can be compromised just as much by too much noise as too little signal.

  31. I beg to differ... by helpacoder · · Score: 4, Insightful

    The internet exists to link people and computers together. It is not designed to make money,

    Tell that to eBay, PayPal, Amazon, Google, and iTunes. If these online companies were not making money and showing a constant stream of profit, they would not still be on the internet to this day.

    eBay, PayPal, and Amazon, make money as 'middlemen' to the physical enconomy comprising largely of the buying and selling of 3-dimensional objects. Should 'replicator technology' seen in STAR TREK become a reality, they will become unecessary and will fall by the wayside of history.

    Google makes money as an ad agency that happens to own and operate a wildly popular internet search engine and a complete copy of the non-binary portion of USENET via Google Groups. Once somebody comes up with a search engine that is consistently better than Google and mirrors Google Groups in its entirety, they too will fall by the wayside of history as well.

    iTunes makes money by selling 'digital downloads' of pieces of popular culture (primarily music). They are proof that it is possible to make money online selling non 3-dimensional objects. Once their entire catalogue of downloads is available for free online elsewhere on the internet, they too will fall by the wayside of history as well.

    As the parent poster said, the internet exists to link people and computers together--it also exists to exchange information in the form of computer files. The media cartels realize the internet can distribute (their) content cheaper and faster (and illegally) than they can which will eventually make them fall by the wayside of history as well. There response to this looming threat in the past shows that they are desparate and will do ANYTHING to continue to exist. This is simply self-preservation in action.

    1. Re:I beg to differ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Interestingly enough, all of the music on iTunes was available for free elsewhere on the internet before iTunes even existed, if only in pirated form.

  32. By Neruos by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The simplest answer(path) is often the correct answer(path).

    Global Software Piracy (GSP) as we know it, has been on full force for about 20 years now. I have yet had any clear evidence that this has harmed the social structure or failed an economy business (that wasn't doomed to start with) to date.

    GSP hasn't stopped, slowed or derailed businesses like Microsoft, Time Warner, IBM, Cisco, Intel, ATI, Sun, Sony, MGM, Paramount, New Line, BMG Records, BlockBuster, Netflix, etc, etc. All of these companies, if they want to admit to it or not, have benefit 100% from GSP. GSP is a marketing force you can not buy or own. It is the ultimate make or break for your product.

    When your government who is controlled by the companies who are so clearly trying to hang on to the captialism rope as long as possible, don't want it gone. They will do anything to hold on and prevent the free information to the masses.

  33. We need a PERFECT DRM scheme by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You know, I think what we need is a perfect, un-breakable DRM scheme that anyone can freely implement to protect their "precious" software.

    Guess what would happen: The market share and quality of open source software and alternative artists would EXPLODE to never-before seen heights. And all the stupid corporations bitching about lost profits would finally be forced to face the truth, which is that people will never again pay as much for software and music as they did before they were all interconnected.

    So maybe, for the sake of the open source and anti-copyright movement, we should work on just that: A DRM scheme which cannot be broken, so that the idiot vendors can lock themselves out into oblivion if so they wish.

    1. Re:We need a PERFECT DRM scheme by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And most importantly, an un-breakable DRM scheme should counter any calls for more stringent copyrights: Instead of bitching about lost sales and being petty and asking for damage compensation, vendors instead are expected to simply lock away their bits and bytes in a fashion such that they can't be stolen. Instead of criminalizing the opportunists, just remove the opportunity for infringement, and realize how pitiful your market share truly is in this situation. Nothing would collapse the value of M$ and Adobe stock faster.

  34. That doesn't make it designed to make money by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It just means people have found a way to make money using it.

    And some want to stop them being able to do so (see all the "you're infringing our copyrights!!!" against google.