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Craigslist Fires Back Over Adult Services Accusations

Craigslist has fired back at South Carolina Attorney General Henry McMaster in an open letter defending the company's policies and procedures surrounding the much debated "adult services." Stating not only the measures that have been taken to minimize illegal behavior, CEO Jim Buckmaster suggests that Craigslist is doing much better at minimizing questionable ads than other major competitors like Yahoo!, Google, and others. "Mr McMaster, I strongly recommend you reconsider and retract your remarks, and positively affirm that you have no intention of launching criminal investigations aimed at any of these upstanding companies, because in truth none of them are deserving of such treatment. [...] We're willing to accept our share of criticism, but wrongfully accusing craigslist of criminal misconduct is simply beyond the pale. We would very much appreciate an apology at your very earliest convenience. As I'm sure would all of the other fine companies whose executives you've called out as criminals."

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  1. The problem with politicians by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    The problem with politicians is, well, that they exist as a profession.

    Instead of having a dedicated, small group of individuals in charge of everything (leading to ridiculous situations like this, where they posture for the electorate), why not have anyone be as involved in government as they wish?

    1. Re:The problem with politicians by Jherico · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Instead of having a dedicated, small group of individuals in charge of everything (leading to ridiculous situations like this, where they posture for the electorate), why not have anyone be as involved in government as they wish?

      Because part of a government's responsibility is to protect those who can't protect themselves, and to prevent a tyranny of the majority.

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    2. Re:The problem with politicians by jgtg32a · · Score: 4, Insightful

      What about tyranny of the minority?

    3. Re:The problem with politicians by wjousts · · Score: 5, Insightful

      With the ridiculous idea that everybody is going to reach a consensus out of good will and love for their fellow man.

      Good luck with that.

    4. Re:The problem with politicians by Locke2005 · · Score: 5, Funny

      The problem with politicians is, well, that they exist as a profession.

      It's not just that. As world's second oldest profession, they have a lot in common with the oldest profession. Politicians and whores go together like, well, like Spitzer and Dupré!

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    5. Re:The problem with politicians by Red+Flayer · · Score: 4, Insightful

      why not have anyone be as involved in government as they wish?

      Because then we'd get the exact same system, where those who thirst for political power get it?

      The only difference is the routes used to acquire the power (or prestige, or whatever you want to call it).

      True political power in an elected government doesn't come from having people vote for you, by the way. It comes from shaping what the people want in their elected officials, and what they vote on.

      In the "open source government" model, you'll have informal power structures where those who want to be in charge, and have the tools necessary to get there, will rise to positions of power and asymmetrical influence.

      Government, and administration of government, is much different than open-source software. It's a lot more expansive, and the rewards for gaming the system are far, far greater than with OSS.

      I believe 100% that government should be open (in the sense it should be 100% transparent). I do not believe it should be open in terms of access to power... that way lies anarchy and abuse.

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    6. Re:The problem with politicians by Marful · · Score: 5, Insightful

      To judge from the history of mankind, we shall be compelled to conclude that the fiery and destructive passions of war reign in the human breast with much more powerful sway than the mild and beneficent sentiments of peace; and that to model our political systems upon speculations of lasting tranquility would be to calculate on the weaker springs of human character

      - Alexander Hamilton, Federalist No. 34, January 4, 1788

      Sorry, but I have to agree with wjousts. The belief that:

      1.) Everyone will reach a consensus out of good will,
      2.) That an unfettered "majority rules" system will not oppress the minority,
      3.) That mankind is not selfish,

      Is somewhat delusional.

      Unfettered Democracy is tyrannical by it's very nature. Which is why our Founding Father's discarded that notion.

      I will not say our current system of government is the best, but is closer towards that goal than 51% of the majority telling the remaining 49% what to do.

    7. Re:The problem with politicians by Jherico · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Given a choice, I'd go with the tyranny of the majority, rather than the tyranny of the minority.

      Spoken like a true member of the majority, who doesn't know what its like to be surrounded by people who will discriminate againt you at any chance.

      The minority has almost always ruled, historically. The concept of royalty, and the hocus pocus of religion were both designed for the purpose of enforcing minority rule.

      I'm a non-christian living where there's a church on virtually every block. Don't talk to me about 'religion' and 'minority rule'

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    8. Re:The problem with politicians by hairyfeet · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Uuuhhh....In the 1920s the majority didn't really see much wrong for hanging blacks folks if they so much as looked at a white woman sideways. At the very least they all agreed that treating them like children that were too stupid to do anything but be their hired help. So I wouldn't be too much on "yay majority" unless you are DAMNED sure that you are on the "right" side of that line. I mean look how the majority treated anybody that even looked KINDA like an Arab after 9/11. With majority rule you can quickly become the minority, just look at history. The Irish, the Chinese, Black, Oriental,etc. You could be accepted one day and a target the next.

      As someone who has been treated like shit by authority simply because i was a long haired white guy that listened to Motown and played music with a bunch of black guys allow me to say no thanks. To quote the lead singer Charles everybody should get to feel what it is like to be "the nigger at the Klan rally" at least once in their lives. I got to feel it from the whites because of my long hair and choice of friends, and I would always feel it when we would first walk into an all black club that we had never played at. You would have thought i would have gotten better treatment from the whites, but they always wanted trouble. Charles could always diffuse it with the black crowds by throwing his arm around me and announcing "Haven't y'all heard of affirmative action? This is our very own token white boy!" which would always get a laugh and then everything would be cool.

      But never forget with majority rules THEY get to decide when you are "the nigger at the Klan rally" NOT you. It is bad enough when all you have to worry about is getting rousted by the cops or getting a few bruises. But as we have seen too often in the past it don't take much for majority rules to descend into mob rules. No thanks.

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  2. Me Thinks . . . by arizwebfoot · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Sounds like somebody is setting himself up for a run at the Governor's Manson.

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    1. Re:Me Thinks . . . by bennomatic · · Score: 4, Funny

      Governor's Manson? Is that any relation to Charle's Manson?

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  3. Important fact about McMaster by elrous0 · · Score: 5, Informative

    In trying to understand why he seems so adamant to grandstand at this particular time, it might help to know that he's planning to run for governor next year. I'm not saying he's a whore who's only doing it for that reason, mind you. Perish the thought that a politician would be so cynical!

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    1. Re:Important fact about McMaster by steelclash84 · · Score: 5, Insightful

      If he were using this as a leg up to the Gov. position, then he's really barking up the wrong tree. Attempting to sanction (or shutdown) a free service in SC during an economic crunch would be stupid.

  4. Good for them. by digitallystoned · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Kudos to Craigslist. Sex sells. They have done more than they should have to prevent this kind of activity on their site. The way I see it, they are keeping officers employed by busting the prostitutes and the people who use their services. Its a personal choice if you choose to use the services. they control their content but honestly stopping craigslist from have an adult section is gonna do absolutely nothing to stop prostitution in cities. There are plenty of other websites such as backpage or citypages that do the same exact thing at no charge and I've yet to see any of them make the news. The claim that the "prosititute" was killed because she posted on craigsiist is bogus. She's the one taking the chance by sleeping around and she'd do it whether or not craigslist existed or not. It's about time someone grew a pair and stood up to the corrupt legislatures in this country and told them to politely f*ck off.

  5. Call it a "hunch"... by d474 · · Score: 4, Funny

    ...but I'd be willing to bet that South Carolina Attorney General Henry McMaster has had some direct personal experience with these so called "Adult Services". Perhaps even through Craigslist?

    Like I said, it's just a hunch.

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    1. Re:Call it a "hunch"... by d474 · · Score: 5, Funny

      Hey Attorney Einstein, it isn't slander if one prefaces the statement as "a hunch". Libel requires that the statement be implied as fact, "a hunch" by definition is not a fact.

      For example, I have a "hunch" that you are a complete moron. I don't "know" you are, but my gut tells me you are.

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  6. Craigslist brought all this crap on themselves... by Man+On+Pink+Corner · · Score: 5, Interesting

    ... when they refused to grow a pair and claim First Amendment protection, not to mention the safe-harbor provision of the CDA. Paternalistic, moralizing governors and DAs have no Constitutional basis to object to anything Craigslist was doing, and the company should have told them to STFU and GBTW.

    But instead they tried to "negotiate," "compromise," and otherwise find a middle ground with religiously-motivated censors and nanny-statists.

    Yeah. That always works. Because those sorts of people always go away and leave you in peace once you give in to their demands. <rolleyes>

  7. Sue'im for slander by Tanman · · Score: 5, Interesting

    If he wrote it down, sue him for libel, too. It's pretty obvious that saying your business is a criminal enterprise that endangers its customers' lives would be damaging to your business, and there seems to be plenty of evidence showing that it is better run than many unmentioned competitors.

  8. Craig's List Alternatives by cgfsd · · Score: 5, Funny

    So what are some other sites that the AG should try to take down for prostitution?

    Purely for sake of argument of course. cough cough

  9. Re:Craigslist brought all this crap on themselves. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    ... when they refused to grow a pair and claim First Amendment protection, not to mention the safe-harbor provision of the CDA. Paternalistic, moralizing governors and DAs have no Constitutional basis to object to anything Craigslist was doing, and the company should have told them to STFU and GBTW.

    But instead they tried to "negotiate," "compromise," and otherwise find a middle ground with religiously-motivated censors and nanny-statists.

    Yeah. That always works. Because those sorts of people always go away and leave you in peace once you give in to their demands. <rolleyes>

    Ah. So, you're calling Craigslist out for trying to be civil. Good man! We need more people flying right off the deep end without any sense of negotiation. We also need more stereotyping, darnit, because without that, we might be seen as a serious culture! We have to preserve our l33t, underground status as overreacting outsiders whom nobody should try to understand because we get in huge screaming fits over what the other 90% of the planet just doesn't give a rat's ass about!

    Shame on you, Craigslist! Shame on you for trying to be civil! Next time somebody looks at you funny, break his/her nose to restore the balance!

  10. Excuse me, Mr. AG by MikeRT · · Score: 4, Interesting

    But I doubt your state has exhausted its backlog of murders, rapes, armed robberies, child molestation cases, etc. Until you do, here's a polite suggestion: get your fucking priorities straight you worthless politician.

    I swear, the fatal flaw of democracy is that it relies on the public to make the highest office holders do their job and not just use the office as a means of personal advancement. At least under a monarchy, the king could bitch slap a guy like this for grandstanding (not saying we should go back to a monarchy).

  11. Re:Craigslist brought all this crap on themselves. by Jeff+DeMaagd · · Score: 5, Interesting

    To me, it sounds like you're advocating reasoning with people that may well be unreasonable. Embarking on that is like arguing with pigs.

  12. Re:Craigslist brought all this crap on themselves. by bennomatic · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Actually, the GP poster has a point. It's not pretty, but there are a lot of people out there who see compromise as weakness. If you look at recent history of the Basque separatist movement, for example, as soon as there was some level of conciliation, the level of violence skyrocketed.

    Part of it may also be that people who have lived for so long fighting a particular cause end up being more attached to the fight than the cause itself, and as soon as it looks like their way of life is threatened, they try to do things which encourage the fight to continue.

    In this case, however, I feel it's a much baser motivation. Like a shark smelling blood, this guy decided he could have a little PR feeding frenzy to fuel his gubernatorial run. Silly AG, don't you know that a well-educated populace would never fall for such a thing?

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  13. Re:What about the Yellow Pages?? by need4mospd · · Score: 4, Funny

    And the other 10% won't get much repeat business!

  14. Re:Craigslist's standard of non-culpability... by harks · · Score: 4, Insightful

    But Craigslist isn't committing the crime. They're providing a means of communication in the same way Google Gmail or AT&T do - or any Internet provider. And they should bear no more legal responsibility for the communications people make with their service than AT&T, Google, or Comcast do. To modify your examples, it would be like prosecuting the manufacturer of the car for letting people speed with it, or prosecuting the manufacturer of the Louisville Slugger that someone gets beaten with.

  15. Re:Craigslist's standard of non-culpability... by Fnord666 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    To modify your examples, it would be like prosecuting the manufacturer of the car for letting people speed with it, or prosecuting the manufacturer of the Louisville Slugger that someone gets beaten with.

    Or like prosecuting the manufacturer of the handgun that ... oh wait. Never mind.

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  16. Re:Craigslist brought all this crap on themselves. by dkleinsc · · Score: 5, Insightful

    By attempting to reason with unreasonable people and failing, you can more easily demonstrate to the rest of the world that they're unreasonable.

    This is handy when you're dealing with, say, an elected official.

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