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MS Word 2010 Takes On TeX

alphabetsoup writes "Office 2010 Technology preview was leaked a few days back. With its leak, a feature which was rumored to be present can now be confirmed. Office 2010 finally adds support for Advanced Typographic features (ligatures, number forms, alternates, etc.) of OpenType, allowing one to create documents so far possible only in TeX or InDesign. Between this, the new equation editor and styles, what are the chances of Word replacing LaTeX as the editor of choice in academia?"

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  1. Low by bcmm · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Something usually free is already widely used.

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    1. Re:Low by nitroamos · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Something usually free is already widely used.

      remember that Linux came along as a free alternative to challenge the established OS, with mixed success. now, we have a non-free alternative coming along to challenge Latex (e.g. TexShop). Somehow it seems the odds of success are marginal.

      Here's what Tex/Latex have going for them, as viewed by a grad student currently writing his thesis, like myself:
        * Knuth designed Tex to be more than just words on paper, he designed formulas to help make your documents beautiful. I think he's getting it right, which is why his version numbers are converging to pi.

      * Part of the reason is that Latex is not just about formulas. It's also about styles, lists, bibliography, cross referencing within your doc, etc, which WYSIWYG has not been able to get right so far, and for the needs of power-users, I suspect it never will. I use both, and I still struggle to get Word lists to do what I want.

      * User experience. Now that I've spent time on the Tex learning curve, and I can typically get it to do what I want, why would I want to get on another learning curve?

      * Free. With software like TexShop, I already have all I want, in a great package.

    2. Re:Low by JasterBobaMereel · · Score: 5, Insightful

      LaTeX is not an editor

      Word is not a document publishing system

      If I want to write an academic paper to be published LaTeX is my first choice but Word would not be my second, a proper document layout and publishing system would be

      If I want to write a help document, letter, or similar Word/OpenOffice would be my first choice (if on Windows)

      Different tools for different problems - not a one tool for everything

      Word is a very bad text editor, a quite good document editor (my opinion), and a very bad document layout system, use it for what it is good for ....

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    3. Re:Low by Abreu · · Score: 5, Insightful

      You are right,

      Word is not a text editor
      Word is not a desktop publishing software
      Word is not a email client ...and yet a lot of people still use it that way!

      (and don't get me started on what some people use Excel for!)

      Why? Because they don't want to buy/download/get the correct tool for the job. And even if the correct tool for the job is easily available, they don't want to learn how to use it!

      The sad reality is that, if Word starts offering decent academic publishing features, it will overtake LaTeX in a blink... Even worse, clueless professors will start demanding that documents be submitted in .docx format!

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    4. Re:Low by Werthless5 · · Score: 5, Insightful

      As a scientest, I can assure you that science departments use mostly linux. I have a few colleagues who use Mac as well.

      I have a feeling that you're not a troll, just very confused

    5. Re:Low by MaskedSlacker · · Score: 5, Insightful

      What you don't seem to understand is that LaTeX is FASTER to write up than any other system.

      Your inability to distinguish between "easy to use" and "easy to learn" marks you as a fool.

    6. Re:Low by Atlantis-Rising · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Your teacher should have been fired unless they were teaching a course in LaTex.

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  2. less than low by goffster · · Score: 5, Insightful

    The guys who need this stuff are already geeky, and why would geeky guys use something "for pay" that comes out of a budget? And since this will be in a proprietary format, why would they risk these documents becoming unreadable?

  3. Wrong question by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    There is not a question about Word taking over from LaTeX in academia since Word already dominates academia.

    In most disciplines in academia (all of the humanities and social sciences for example) no one has heard of TeX or LaTeX, and people mostly don't have the technical skills to use either program easily. And they are _already_ all using Word.

    By contrast, in mathematics and other disciplines where LaTeX is a good solution, it is very hard to imagine something as clunky, bug prone, bloated and hard to use as Word taking over from something robust and easy to use (if you think the way mathematicians think) like LaTeX.

  4. Missing the Point by thethirdwheel · · Score: 5, Insightful

    TeX won't be replaced by Word because TeX's whole purpose is to provide a way to separate content and layout. Publishers care about this because the same content can be reshaped to fit their typesetting needs. Word is by its very nature a WYSIWYG. Why would publishers leave established infrastructure and a seamless way of assuring documents meet their typesetting needs to trust layout to amateurs and receive files which must be manually edited in order to modify layout?

  5. Re:If it works... by Tetsujin · · Score: 5, Insightful

    does OpenOffice.org do this?

    Ask this question first. :)

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  6. I'll bid this by Weaselmancer · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I'd say the odds of MS Word replacing LaTeX are about the same as Microsoft releasing the source to Word so we can fix problems and add features as we need them.

    A lot of these open source projects grew out of a direct need. There was a vacuum to be filled. The need shaped what the product wound up being. Trying to pound the square peg of MS Word into the round hole LaTeX fills is most likely impossible.

    Support or not, they're just too different.

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  7. Much more than you think leaves Word & Co. by itomato · · Score: 5, Insightful

    People have little care or concern over what results are deemed "professional".

    There are entire books and manuals that aren't made with the "proper" tools, because most people can't comprehend why Word or Publisher don't meet the criteria for "professional" results. With Publisher, it usually takes the harsh step of producing their document, from the raw material delivered by the customer.

    "It looks fine on my Inkjet at home! Why does it look like so much dogshit on the floor?"

    With Word, it's usually "good enough" for most people, even though the outcome isn't what you or they would really like. Give a Tech Writer a copy of Word, and they may "make-do", but I doubt you'll find many who prefer it to FrameMaker, InDesign, or even Pagemaker. That same Tech Writer will churn out a document with Word, and because it's "good enough", it will fly around the Globe, and even make it out as trade conference detritus or long-lived corporate gospel.

    TeX, on the other hand, is not something most people care about learning. You *must* learn it to be able to use it confidently. There's no "good enough" with TeX - it either works, or it doesn't.

    TeX is a Science. Word is a Comedy. People like comedy.