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Russia To Save Its ISS Modules

jamax writes "According to the BBC, 'Russia is making plans to detach and fly away its parts of the International Space Station when the time comes to de-orbit the rest of the outpost. ... To facilitate the plan, RKK Energia, the country's main ISS contractor, has already started developing a special node module for the Russian segment, which will double as the cornerstone of the future station. ... Unlike many Nasa and European space officials, Russian engineers are confident that even after two decades in orbit, their modules would be in good enough shape to form the basis of a new space station. "We flew on Mir for 15 years and accumulated colossal experience in extending the service life (of such a vehicle)," said a senior Russian official at RKK Energia...' Is Russia the last country where engineers are not (yet) forced by corporations to intentionally produce designs that fail two days after warranty expires? There used to be a lot of equipment manufactured by various countries (Germany is the first one that comes to mind) that lasted virtually forever — old cars or weapons systems, but one rarely sees anything of the sort these days."

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  1. Before someone says it by Norsefire · · Score: 5, Funny

    Construction of the International Space Station began in 1998. The soviet Union collapsed in 1991. Thus, ISS Modules did not exist in Soviet Russia and did not "save you".

    1. Re:Before someone says it by Xiph · · Score: 5, Funny

      That's ok, we can still make jokes.

      Jokes are only based loosely on reality, so it's alright to bend historical facts a bit.
      Like saying that Napoleon didn't ride a horse, because he read too many comics... (he had hemorrhoids, rumour says.)

      So here we go. In soviet russia, engineers saved old space station.. oh wait... no that doesn't work (too close to truth)

      In soviet America products design you to fail!

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    2. Re:Before someone says it by Farmer+Tim · · Score: 5, Funny

      I for one welcome our historically accurate but humourless overlord...

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    3. Re:Before someone says it by ShieldW0lf · · Score: 5, Funny

      In soviet America products design you to fail!

      That is the best quote I've read in ages.

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    4. Re:Before someone says it by ae1294 · · Score: 5, Insightful

      One more point, posted in violation of slashdot rules...

      Isn't part of the reason we have a space station to learn how to fix stuff when it breaks? How are we ever going to explore space if we have to head back home because the widget broke three months into our trip to mars. (yea I am aware that returning could not be possible due to the orbital differential of mars/earth and the thrust requirements or whatever... I mean, I did watch a Discovery Channel special once so that DOES make me an expert you know...

      ae

  2. No. by brusk · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Is Russia the last country where engineers are not (yet) forced by corporations to intentionally produce designs that fail two days after warranty expires?

    Mars rovers? Voyager? NASA seems to be doing okay with that.

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  3. Value Engineering & Built-in obsolescense by ickleberry · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Is Russia the last country where engineers are not (yet) forced by corporations to intentionally produce designs that fail two days after warranty expires? There used to be a lot of equipment manufactured by various countries (Germany is the first one that comes to mind) that lasted virtually forever -- old cars or weapons systems, but one rarely sees anything of the sort these days."

    No, but the space industry is one of the few where things are built to last. Portable consumer electronics are among the worst for quality except for a few notable examples like the iPod Mini and the Nokia 6310(i). Soldered-in lithium batteries, surface-mount MLC flash memory and electrolytic capacitors don't last all that long. Satellites are over-engineered, if anything goes wrong with them you can't put it in a cardboard box with styrofoam and send it back to the manufacturer.

    The quality of cars hasn't actually gone down - when The Wall was knocked down lots of old Soviet cars like the 2-stroke Trabant were abandoned for second-hand German cars. Of course manufacturers are filling up modern cars with cheap consumer electronics and cheap Chinese DC motors to move every little thing because apparently buyers are too lazy to use their hands for anything. So while all the in-car entertainment and motorised windows,cup holders, sun roofs and central locks might break the car itself (engine & chassis) will probably be in a better state after 20 years than a '70s car would have been after 20 years since engine technology has improved and the underside of the car is better protected from rust.

  4. why not use the rest by mehrotra.akash · · Score: 5, Interesting

    instead of burning them up/dumping them, why doesnt Russia also make use of the other components for its own project??
    if US is willing to dump them then its junk for the US and Russia could use them i guess.

  5. Survivorship bias by ex-geek · · Score: 5, Insightful

    It is called survivorship bias. Almost all of the things produced in the past have long since broken down. We only see what stood the test of time and therefore tend to assume that things were built to last back in the day.

  6. Re:Typical of the Russian mindset by Tangential · · Score: 5, Insightful

    They tend to design things to outlast the competition.

    I don't know about that. 3 totally different forms of government in one century. They weren't designed to last.

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