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Google Earth Raises Discrimination Issue In Japan
Hugh Pickens writes "The Times (UK) reports that by allowing old maps to be overlaid on satellite images of Tokyo, Osaka, and Kyoto, Google has unwittingly created a visual tool that has prolonged an ancient discrimination, says a lobbying group established to protect the human rights of three million burakumin, members of the sub-class condemned by the old feudal system in Japan to unclean jobs associated with death and dirt. 'We tend to think of maps as factual, like a satellite picture, but maps are never neutral, they always have a certain point of view,' says David Rumsey, a US map collector. Some Japanese companies actively screen out burakumin-linked job seekers, and some families hire private investigators to dig into the ancestry of fiances to make sure there is no burakumin taint. Because there is nothing physical to differentiate burakumin from other Japanese and because there are no clues in their names or accent, the only way of establishing whether or not they are burakumin is by tracing their family. By publishing the locations of burakumin ghettos with the modern street maps, the quest to trace ancestry is made easier, says Toru Matsuoka, an opposition MP and member of the Buraku Liberation League. Under pressure to diffuse criticism, Google has asked the owners of the woodblock print maps to remove the legend that identifies the ghetto with an old term, extremely offensive in modern usage, that translates loosely as 'scum town.' 'We had not acknowledged the seriousness of the map, but we do take this matter seriously,' says Yoshito Funabashi, a Google spokesman." The ancient Japanese caste system was made illegal 150 years ago, but silent discrimination remains. The issue is complicated by allegations of mob connections in the burakumin anti-discrimination organizations.
Most tools can be used for discrimatory purposes. Just because I buy a Ford at a used car dealership over an indistinguishable GM (because I like then better) doesn't mean the dealership should get blamed.
Surely the problem is with the discrimination within the Japanese people and has nothing to do with Google.
There is no difference between a person from one linage to another other than maybe their name and genetic make up.
Just because their great great great grandfather might have killed people for a living doesn't mean that the person applying for a job now is strange in some way.
It is obviously an old custom which is not equal and fair into days society thus the problem is not with Google.
What Japan needs is some enlightment that can only come with a few episodes of Discovery Channel's Dirty Jobs. Watching Mike Rowe trying to shovel disgusting refuse from a leatherworking facility is not only entertaining, it teaches that those jobs are A) pretty difficult to learn and B) fundamentally necessary for civilization to continue!
If your solution to a problem is, "We need less truth" then you are probably trying to solve the wrong problem.
History is ugly. It's full of all the crappy things we did, and exists in part as a document to study so we can try and improve. "Those who don't study history are doomed to repeat it", but if the ugly parts are expunged, then we are erasing exactly what's needed to avoid recurrence.
Also, all oppression begins with "We must do this to protect the innocent". Whether the darkest part of the oppression comes a month later at the hands of the current controlling authority or a century later as a result of ignorance, it still exists and is the inevitable result of censorship.
I am surprised that the "employee at a large, well-known Japanese company" was not asked *why* are they doing that. They consider it normal, alright. I know that, since I knew the problem existed even in 1980's. But I am much more interested why are Eta/Burakumin/Shinheimin/whoever treated this way by people who cannot possibly remember the Edo period.
Ezekiel 23:20
What the flying fuck does Google have to do with any of this? The problem is cultural, not technological. Get a fucking grip.
So, if a hammer is used to build a cross that the KKK burn on someone's front yard, the hammer is "enabling" racist pigs? I guess white sheets and fire enable racism too?
Please.
Google Maps is a map. If some racist/classist/hidebound Japanese use it for perpetuating reactionary stupid stereotypes, how is Google at fault?
SLOW NEWS DAY, +1
-Styopa
At least now the bone-headed practice of this discrimination is known by the outside world, and the appropriate amount of scorn, ridicule, and disapproval can be heaped on the superstitious throw-back practitioners of the discrimination.
Companies and governments from elsewhere could check whether this practice is occurring, and blacklist Japanese companies that are shown to practice this human-rights violation.
Where are we going and why are we in a handbasket?
Knowledge is knowledge. How a bunch of inbred tribals use that knowledge isn't the responsibility of the people who discover and/or make it available.
The Japanese have a problem with discrimination, not Google, not the web, and not the United States. Let Japan solve the problem, don't make it a Google problem, a web problem, or a United States problem.
"Windows is like the faint smell of piss in a subway: it's there, and there's nothing you can do about it." - Charlie Br
Says the person who uses the phrase, "that's how I was learned."
discrimination: secernment (the cognitive process whereby two or more stimuli are distinguished)
You are not discriminating among different meanings of word discrimination, but giving a privilege to one of its meanings.
Seriously, Japan needs a Title VII badly. The way they treat women and Burakkumin, and the way they discriminate on age, nationality, disability, and other characteristics, show that they haven't put the kind of thought into discrimination that America had been forced to over hundreds of years.
I believe you've been flattened by the irony...
By the taping of my glasses, something geeky this way passes
* First off its apparently 251,388,301 English speakers in the US not 300 million.
Ok, +1 pedant, but the number you've quoted has changed since you posted it, so you're wrong as well.
And consider this: if even two people agree to use a specific spelling amongst themselves, it's correct amongst themselves by definition.
Are you asking me for a solution to the problem of evil? I mean, we are not using a certain word the same way; it seems you call "sin" any unethical behaviour, did I get this right? No, I understand "sin" strictly as whatever violates a religious taboo.
Now, some taboos are sensible; don't steal, don't murder, that's fine, got it. But these are so obvious, I don't need religion to teach me those; and many believers fail to do follow them anyway. On the other hand, some taboos are just nonsense, such as jewish and muslim dietary laws; some are hateful, as in religiously motivated violence against unbelievers, heretics, or homosexuals; some are quasi-genocidal, as the pope's statements against condoms; some are suicidal, like Jehovah's witnesses' rejection of blood transfusions.
Circumcision is child abuse.
Except that what the Burakumin do is productive and necessary, whereas rapists simply hurt their victims. Or would like to have corpses pile up in the streets?
Yeah, maps do have a certain point of view. The finest thief in history was the first person who drew a property map.
Nostalgia's not what it used to be.
Nah, I actually tend to think that it's probably the same as my attitude to Isreal. Isreal is an abomination, a horrendous crime in progress that must be stopped. Jews, on the other hand, are absolutely fine.
Calling something or someone anti semitic because they don't like Isreal is getting a bit old.
Note that EVERY major religion EXCEPT Christianity actively encourages the subjugation or extermination of non-believers in one form or another.
Hmmm... and yet, catholics strived to eliminate all competition from the countries they controlled (only the Jewish religion managed to survive, all others were wiped out of middle-age Europe). Contrast that with moslem countries where you have jews, christians, Zoroastrians... Or even better India where hinduism, jainism, buddhism, sikhism and ayyavazhi sometimes share the same temples.
Non-Linux Penguins ?
Are you a troll, or a sincere idiot?
In either case, I feel compelled to say something nice about /., since the rating system left you invisible to me. I only stumbled across your post by the replies. If you're a troll, you're evidently a mighty troll.
Unfortunately, I don't care. In either case, my only request is that you designate me as a foe so I'll have an even lower chance of seeing you in the future.
My qualifications to be your foe? Well, first of all, I'm highly educated, including a degree in history. Second, I'm a highly devout agnostic, and I have nothing but contempt for people whose own religious beliefs are as weak and indefensible as yours. I could come up with more reasons, but you obviously have no interest in reason, and I've already wasted far more time than you're worth.
Freedom = (Meaningful - Coerced) Choice != (Speech | Beer^2), and sad sock puppets' bad mods avail them naught.
They're all wrong. Contrary to popular belief, history is nonsense. We can't use it to learn to avoid future mistakes because noone can agree what actually happened; either through lack of information or deliberate re-writing of history.
In my opinion, we should avoid constantly re-hashing the disputes about who's most correct on the subject of what happened n years ago and concentrate on trying to come to a collective agreement on what kind of world we want to live in.
Requiem for the American Dream
The early teletype code was BAUDOT, which had only 5-bits, limiting it to u/c.
That doesn't make sense. The gp said that they were limited to either upper case or lower case and of the two they picked upper case because of the (probably apocryphal) need to avoid writing "god". You replied by saying that having only 5 bits limited them to upper case. But it obviously didn't - if there was room for upper then there would have been room for lower instead- someone chose between the two and picked upper case, just like the gp said.