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Canada's Conference Board Found Plagiarizing Copyright Report

An anonymous reader writes "There is a storm brewing in Canada as the prestigious Conference Board of Canada has been caught plagiarizing US copyright lobby group documents in a report on copyright reform. The report was funded by the Canadian copyright lobby as well as by the Ontario government. The Conference Board has acknowledged some errors, but stands by the report, while the Ontario government admits spending thousands of dollars and it now wants some answers."

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  1. Turn it in! by hypermike · · Score: 5, Funny

    Turnitin.com eh?

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  2. Cory and Trevor by pak9rabid · · Score: 4, Funny

    Why, plagiarism is highly illegal Cory and Trevor! You shouldn't plagiarize, Cory and Trevor!

  3. The Americans are going to sue by MillionthMonkey · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Those quotes were stolen from our hardworking corporate lobbyists without acquiring the relevant content licenses and now it's time to exact a settlement from the Canadians.

  4. Irony is alive and well by Drakkenmensch · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Once again, the copyright lobbyists are eating themselves like an ouroboros lawyer. Are they going to hire Lars Ulrich to explain us why it's alright to pirate your own work when you've been so adamant about suing the pants off everyone else?

    1. Re:Irony is alive and well by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Lobbying used to be called bribery. It's time the people took control back of their own countries.

      Time for world-wide civil disobedience.

  5. What is the Conference Board of Canada? by thirty-seven · · Score: 5, Informative

    As a Canadian, my first reaction to reading this story on /. was "what is the prestigious Conference Board of Canada?" I mean, I know what the "Ontario government" is and the "US copyright lobby" and "Canadian copyright lobby" are self-explanatory terms, but I'm not familiar with the Conference Board of Canada. When I read it here, I thought maybe it was an agency of the federal government.

    Anyway, I little digging turns up that the Conference Board of Canada is basically a non-profit think-tank, that is funded on a per-service basis. So private groups and governments will pay it to research a topic and publish a paper on it. It also holds conferences and does research reports on its own. According to their official website, their areas of expertise are "running conferences", "conducting, publishing, and disseminating research", "economic trends", and "public policy issues". It is affiliated, but legally separate from, the U.S./international "The Conference Board, Inc. of New York".

    They state: "Objective and non-partisan. We do not lobby for specific interests."

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    1. Re:What is the Conference Board of Canada? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Funny

      Apparently their expertise doesn't extend to properly citing their sources while conducting their "research".

    2. Re:What is the Conference Board of Canada? by Colonel+Korn · · Score: 4, Interesting

      As a Canadian, my first reaction to reading this story on /. was "what is the prestigious Conference Board of Canada?" I mean, I know what the "Ontario government" is and the "US copyright lobby" and "Canadian copyright lobby" are self-explanatory terms, but I'm not familiar with the Conference Board of Canada. When I read it here, I thought maybe it was an agency of the federal government.

      Anyway, I little digging turns up that the Conference Board of Canada is basically a non-profit think-tank, that is funded on a per-service basis. So private groups and governments will pay it to research a topic and publish a paper on it. It also holds conferences and does research reports on its own. According to their official website, their areas of expertise are "running conferences", "conducting, publishing, and disseminating research", "economic trends", and "public policy issues". It is affiliated, but legally separate from, the U.S./international "The Conference Board, Inc. of New York".

      They state: "Objective and non-partisan. We do not lobby for specific interests."

      A "think tank" is just a group of non-experts who organize expert-produced information despite their lack of qualifications and understanding of the topics they discuss. They can dig up sources satisfactorily, but they get into serious trouble when they try to draw conclusions. Friends don't let friends believe a word written in a think tank.

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  6. Dear Mrs Morissette by whisper_jeff · · Score: 4, Funny

    Dear Mrs Morissette,

    Please pay attention. This is ironic.

    Thank you.

    1. Re:Dear Mrs Morissette by volpe · · Score: 2, Funny

      She was going to be, but it rained on her wedding day.

  7. Now that's what I call... by bhunachchicken · · Score: 2, Insightful

    ... the definition of irony :)

  8. Their response is just as bad and very revealing by ashitaka · · Score: 5, Insightful

    "...some of the cited paragraphs closely approximate the wording of a source document."

    Closely approximate???!! Hell, they're word-for-word copies right down to the bullet points. They are not in quotations so they aren't really citations.

    This really makes me sad because it shows an external corporate influence in Canada's affairs that would have Americans screaming if the reverse was true.

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  9. Duh by jpmorgan · · Score: 5, Insightful

    You didn't expect them to actually work for their money, did you? Here's the way these things work: the government pays a lot of money to an organization for policy "consulting", so they can have a report which recommends doing what the lobbyists wanted them to do in the first place.

    The report is a foregone conclusion. The $15,000 is spent to passing the blame, not on any actual work, and for a politician, it's money well spent. You can't really blame the conference board for plagiarizing their report, usually nobody bothers reading those things anyway.

    It's great work if you can get it. You get to sit around, getting paid to accept blame for public policy. Except since you're just a private individual, there's no actual responsibility or consequences involved. Meanwhile, the politicians can point at you, defusing any potential scandal by claiming they're just doing as was recommended by the "experts" and if they made a mistake, well it was well intentioned and they did their best.

  10. Re:Canadian Law by topham · · Score: 3, Interesting

    The requirements to bring charges in Canadian courts do not only rest with the Police and the crown. There is a process by which you can file charges and have them assessed and, potentially prosecuted without police involvement.

    This isn't the normal process, and it is heavily discouraged but an incident a few years ago where an individual who was being prosecuted hard a charge of treason brought forward against a judge confirms it. The charge was not pursued as another judge overseas the process and it was without cause; but the point is that police do not have to be involved.

  11. Soo canada is awesome?! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

    Props Canada, you show those stupid american companies what being a pirate is all about!!

  12. Sad but True by hardwarejunkie9 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    This is the reason why we have to have very close fact-checking standards for legal and academic publishing. It's quite possible that if someone hadn't truly caught this then someone would be quoting this material as reliable information. It's actually quite frightening when you consider how much "reliable" material is out there that truly has basis neither in fact nor reality.

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  13. Re:Funny by ArhcAngel · · Score: 4, Informative

    That's redundant. Canadian's ARE American's. They just aren't US American's

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  14. Incorrect Summary by ColonelBobo · · Score: 5, Informative

    The summary is incorrect in that at this time, the Ontario Government has yet to seek answers into how the funds it provided were used. The questions posed are by Michael Geist as to what the Minister responsible should be asking.

    1. Re:Incorrect Summary by hardwarejunkie9 · · Score: 2, Interesting

      The likelihood of anyone doing anything about this is very low, however. After all, they're just going to claim it was an honest mistake and people will look away and pretend those tax dollars never existed. The problem with these governmental expert boards is that people often pour money into them to get a reputable title put on their agenda and there is little to no accountability in the entire process.

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  15. Re:Canadian Law by ShieldW0lf · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Are you talking about a specific case, or in general. I find it hard to believe that Assault is not being enforced when an innocent person is assaulted.

    I'm talking in general. I'm talking about huge fights breaking out in the street while the police watch and do nothing. I'm talking a massive crime wave going on over the last week, with a massive number of assaults occurring and nothing being done about it. I'm talking about shootings on an almost daily basis in an area that doesn't usually see a lot of it. I'm talking a friend of mine got his head beat in in the middle of a movie theater, and the police advised him that they didn't do anything about common assault.

    I'm noticing that people in my community who have been listening to me rant about what's going aren't arguing any more, but are looking to me for answers, and I'm thinking I'm going to have to organize people myself if anything is going to get done. I don't really like the idea very much, but my family and friends are here.

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  16. Re:Their response is just as bad and very revealin by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

    "...some of the binary files on my hard drive closely approximate the sound of a copyrighted song."

    Hey, after all, MP3 is lossy ...

  17. makes me wonder by FudRucker · · Score: 2, Funny

    what if Canada gets sued for copyright infringement.

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  18. Re:Funny by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    What is wrong with you people? If someone said "I hate Iranians" and "I hate the French", everyone would be in an uproar.

    But you bash Canadians and Americans and it's entirely OK? Eat shit, hypocrite.

  19. Re:Their response is just as bad and very revealin by ashitaka · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Read it again.

    Americans would scream (yes, the 'e' is there) if Canadian corporate interests interfered with US internal matters.

    The reality, of course, is that they do as does corporations from all over the world. Suitable screaming thus ensues but nothing is really done.

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  20. Re:Canadian Law by mrsquid0 · · Score: 2, Interesting

    This has been true, to varying degrees, for a long time. In general it is very hard to get Canadian police to pursue a common assault case unless if there is overwhelming evidence that the assault happened and was unprovoked, or the victim suffered a life-threatening injury. The problem is that most assault accusations come down to one person's word against another's. It is very easy to claim self-defence if you do attack someone, and the legal system is based on a presumption of innocence until proven guilty. When there is no clear evidence to support an assault charge the police tend to just separate the parties involved and get back to work.

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  21. Re: Correct Summary by davecb · · Score: 4, Informative

    Michael Geist writes: Update (5:15): Brian Jackson of IT Business reports that the Minister's office acknowledges spending $15,000 on the report. It plans to follow up on the issues raised in my post.

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  22. You reap what you sow by QuoteMstr · · Score: 5, Insightful

    This is the kind of crap that results from a casual disregard for plagiarism in schools. It's awful here in the states, and I imagine just as bad in Canada. Copying that freshman assignment leads to copying conference reports later on in life. Any form of plagiarism is corrosive to real progress.

    1. Re:You reap what you sow by Minwee · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Copying that freshman assignment leads to copying conference reports later on in life.

      Actually, copying that freshman assignment _really_ pisses off the poor schmuck who has to grade it. Not only have you just insulted his (or her) intelligence by turning in something that was obviously cribbed from Wikipedia, but also instead of just spending a few minutes reading your paper, scribbling down a grade and then moving on to the next one he has to look up the original source that you copied from, have a chat with the professor in charge of the class, take time out of his day to have a meeting with you and explain exactly how dumb you just were, and then after wasting all that time dealing with your mess, decide whether or not to inform your department head and have you expelled for it.

      By that time the only two things keeping you in school at all are the fact that there's an awful lot of paperwork involved in having you expelled, and that your professor may still feel sorry for you. Your best bet is to admit everything, tell a mildly sad story about how you were running out of time and panicked, and then never do it again.

      Saying "No, you're wrong, I just forgot one citation but everything else is fine" is not it.

    2. Re:You reap what you sow by R2.0 · · Score: 4, Interesting

      "By that time the only two things keeping you in school at all are the fact that there's an awful lot of paperwork involved in having you expelled, and that your professor may still feel sorry for you. Your best bet is to admit everything, tell a mildly sad story about how you were running out of time and panicked, and then never do it again. "

      Right on, Brother!

      I used to grade homework assignments for an Intro to Practical Logic course, and about 1-2x/semester I'd find 2 assignments that were obviously the product of "collaboration" - and no, it was not encouraged. Typically, I'd be grading a stack and would come on a paper that was not only badly wrong, but idiosyncratically wrong - trains of logic that would take contorted paths to prove "A=-A". I'd grade it, pull the next one, and lo and behold there's the exact same train of convoluted logic. I'd grade that and then paperclip them together and give them to the professor with a note to the effect that I believe the students were cheating. And the consequences to the students were...nothing.

      Not a thing. Wasn't even mentioned to them. The professor basically didn't want to be bothered. Keep in mind that I only passed through the most flagrant examples - there were plenty I suspected (correct answers but word-for-word identical) but didn't pass through. I mean, Lord knows I wasn't a saint, but at least TRY to cover your tracks, please. Think of the graders!

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    3. Re:You reap what you sow by canajin56 · · Score: 3, Interesting

      For coding courses, all our code goes through electronic marking before it reaches the marker. Students know that the electronic marking is looking for cheaters. Given this, they think they can to a Replace All on variable names and get away with it. They can't. They also try to confuse it by putting what are essentially NOPs, like "x = x;" or "x = x + 0;" That might work (but it doesn't) but its certainly bizarre enough to get the attention of the human marker. But still, the instructors let is slide, it's a lot of paperwork, and always leads to parents threatening to sue, demanding their right to a fair trial, face their accuser, get a refund on tuition, etc.

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  23. Re:And the problem is?? by davecb · · Score: 4, Insightful

    It's a problem when a government pays for a report from an uninterested third party, and gets a quickie rewrite of a pressure-group's screed. And a dishonest one at that.

    --dave

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  24. Re:Funny by penguinstorm · · Score: 5, Funny

    It's usually at this point that I like to remind Americans that Canada is the only country to succesfully attack the White House, and there are still scorch marks on the walls of that hallowed building to commemorate it.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Burning_of_Washington

    So keep it up skippy. We're a feisty lot. Don't fall for that "Canada is a peace loving country" crap either. Hockey is our national sport.

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  25. Re:Funny by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

    Hockey is our national sport.

    Actually, it's Lacrosse.

  26. Perfectly good explanation for this by Nerdposeur · · Score: 3, Funny

    "We just realized we could produce more content by borrowing from and building on the work of others. Ow! C'mon, guys!"

  27. Re:Funny by Minwee · · Score: 5, Funny

    Canada is the only country to succesfully attack the White House, and there are still scorch marks on the walls of that hallowed building to commemorate it.

    True, but they felt so bad about it afterwords that they apologized a lot and finally burned down their own Parliament buildings about a hundred years later.

    Hockey is our national sport.

    That's one of your national sports, and only for the past fifteen years. Before 1994 Canada's only national sport was Lacrosse, a game loosely based on an old First Nations game in which hundreds of participants would run around a field beating each other with long sticks while ignoring a small ball. Modern Ice Hockey is just a pale, polite shadow of Lacrosse.

  28. Re:Funny by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Posting anon since I don't want to take the karma hit for flaming.

    You sir, are a gigantic flaming asshole. We've lost over 100 soldiers in Afghanistan fighting a war that you started and left for us to clean up. So go fuck yourself sideways with a rake.

  29. Re:Funny by Captain+Spam · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Hockey is our national sport.

    Actually, it's Lacrosse.

    Frankly, the point still stands. Perhaps even better.

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  30. Re:Funny by pnewhook · · Score: 4, Informative

    Contrary to popular Canadian belief....no Canadians were ever involved in the attack on Washington. The members of that attack were all from the British Isles. Stop believing this crap, and we'll stop saying you eat whale blubber and live in igloos all year round.

    Semantics. Obviously since Canada didn't exist as an independent country until 1867 and the White House burned in 1814, Canada as it is now could not have been involved.

    However, if you think there were no people involved that were born on what is now Canadian soil, then you are mistaken. Yes, it was British soldiers simply because Upper and Lower Canada were British colonies, and not all were sent from Britain itself.

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  31. Re:Funny by penguinstorm · · Score: 2, Insightful

    There's nothing strange about it. You can have my country as a "territory" when you pry it from my cold dead hands, because I will always be a Canadian.

    I find it strange that any citizen with a choice chooses to live in a country that has a death penalty, a history of drafts in offensive war time, and a gun lobby that's so powerful it scares politicians.

    If it were me, I'd have gotten the hell out as soon as Reagan was elected. (If Harper ever gets a majority up here I may well try to flee as well...)

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  32. Re:Funny by PitaBred · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Afghanistan was a cesspool that generated terrorists, and had a government that oppressed and routinely terrorized it's own people, and was the breeding and operational ground for the 9/11 attacks. It's only slightly better now, but it is better. On the other hand, Iraq was just Bush being an idiotic, imperialist douche riding the anti-Muslim wave. Very different countries, very different wars.

  33. Additional Information by psema4 · · Score: 4, Informative

    Additional information has come to light since the original posting. Some interesting blog posts from:

  34. Re:Funny by DirtyCanuck · · Score: 2, Insightful

    "breeding and operational ground for the 9/11 attacks"

    You mean the White House Right?

  35. Re:Funny by DirtyCanuck · · Score: 3, Funny

    Lets not forget the Blue Dot.... Apparently if Americans take an interest in a sport they must change the rules and add blue dots in order for it to be accepted.

    American: "Man this is much easier to watch with a blue dot on the puck"

    Canadian: "WTF is this FU@king blue dot, is this a joke. Saddle up the moose we are paying FOX a visit."

  36. Re:Canadian Law by DirtyCanuck · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I grew up in Government Housing and where my mom still lives. I think the problem with these areas is far less the police but the people that live there. Gotta love getting robbed at gunpoint while Jamaicans call you yellowskin.(Happened 4 times)Who is the racist now?

  37. It does have - indirect - nutritional benefits. by boombaard · · Score: 2, Informative
    see, for instance, this (toward the bottom is where the quote comes from): (or this summary)

    Unlike glucose, fructose is almost entirely metabolized in the liver. "When fructose reaches the liver," says Dr. William J. Whelan, a biochemist at the University of Miami School of Medicine, "the liver goes bananas and stops everything else to metabolize the fructose." Eating fructose as compared to glucose results in lower circulating insulin (pancreatic beta cell insulin release is controlled only by blood glucose levels) and leptin levels, and attenuation in the suppression of ghrelin postprandially.[53] These hormones are implicated in the control of appetite and satiety, and it is suspected that eating large amounts of fructose increases the likelihood of weight gain.[54] Excessive fructose consumption is also believed to contribute to the development of non-alcoholic fatty liver disease.[55]

    Also, consider this Newscientist article, this one, and if you want more, have a look at an article published in "The Journal of Clinical Investigation" about a link between HFCS and Diabetes in April.

    1. Re:It does have - indirect - nutritional benefits. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Sucrose, the sugar from sugar cane and sugar beets, is a dimer of a glucose and a fructose molecule joined in a 1->2-glycosidic bond.

      The sucrose disaccharide is cleaved in the saliva and in the upper gut by beta-fructosidase, which catalyses the hydrolysis into glucose and fructose.

      No sucrose crosses into the blood stream; it is turned into 50% glucose and 50% fructose by molecule count no later than the brush border of the intestinal epithelial layer. At that point, your body can no longer chemically distinguish between glucose and fructose eaten as HFCS or as sucrose in typical HFCS formulations (i.e. HFCS 50).

      HFCS 55 has a 5% excess of fructose, which is comparable to a sucrose-sweetened drink with real fruit juice (orange, berry) added. Outside of the upper digestive system, there is essentially zero chance of chemically detecting the monosaccharide mass difference between an HFCS 55 sweetened drink and a sucrose-sweetened or HFCS 50 sweetened beverage.

      There *may* be good reasons to avoid sweet fruit juices; they don't satisfy appetite well and nutritionally they are unremarkable beyond the sugars they contain. People would be far better off trying to eat the equivalent in fresh fruit; they'd feel fuller faster and for longer. (They would still be consuming an excess of fructose to glucose, which tends to raise the question of whether the excess is the problem rather than the absolute dose of both monosaccharides, since heavy fruit eaters are rarely diabetic, although you could argue that raw fruit eaters also end up consuming starches as well, and since those are cleaved into pretty much nothing but glucose, that does depress the fructose: glucose ratio).

      However, fructose is pretty benign; people have been eating a lot of it as a monosaccharide for millennia. It's in every fruit, hence the name. It's half of the most common plant disaccharide (sucrose).

      HFCS 50, a very common food additive, is benign in the same way sucrose is benign.

      HFCS 55, another common food additive, has a 55:45 ratio, comparable to most non-starchy whole raw fruits, and practically all natural fruit juices.

      It is the overconsumption of calories of whatever provenance that is harmful. The dose makes the poison. For monosaccharides, the amount at which harm sets in is very high (many grams/kg of body mass, daily over long periods).

      The problem with naturally sweetened drinks is that they're high in calories, they do not sate appetite, and they are cheap.

      High consumption of *any* naturally sweetened drink will cause all sorts of problems, including weight gain (and diseases that are associated with that) and tooth erosion.

  38. Re:Funny by canowhoopass.com · · Score: 2, Funny

    Hockey is our national sport.

    Actually, it's Lacrosse.

    It's both. Hockey is the official winter sport, Lacrosse is the official summer sport. Check out the National Sports of Canada Act:

    http://laws.justice.gc.ca/en/ShowFullDoc/cs/N-16.7///en

    You have to wonder how much time the politicians used up drafting this. The curling lobby must be pissed.

  39. Re:Funny by EGenius007 · · Score: 3, Funny

    The attack was led by Rear Admiral Cockburn. And you had to flee because of rain. Let's just say the whole thing was less than fabulous for your side.

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  40. Re:Funny by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

    Canada was granted its independence by most definitions in 1867. This was when we became self-governing (when a "responsible government" was installed.")

    The difference Theory and Practice ...

    In Theory, the Monarch of Canada appoints the Governor General. The Governor General convenes Parliament and dissolves Parliament. A bill passed by Parliament becomes law only after the Governor General proclaims it so in the name of the Monarch. The Governor General remains in office until the Monarch of Canada appoints a new Governor General.

    In Theory, we do not have "responsible government" in Canada even today.

    In Practice, the Governor General is whoever the Prime Minister says should be the Governor General. The Governor General convenes Parliament when the Prime Minister says that Parliament should be convened. The Governor General dissolves Parliament when the Prime Minister says to dissolve Parliament. The Governor General proclaims an act into law when the Prime Minister says it should be proclaimed (few Canadians realize just how close our Prime Minister is to being a dictator for the (up to) five years he is in office).

    In Practice, the Province of Canada got "responsible government" in 1848 (not 1867) when Lord Elgin replaced the executive council with a cabinet nominated by the party that won the majority in the legislative assembly. The Province of Nova Scotia had succeeded in getting "responsible government" slightly earlier.

    1982 was when we got our own constitution.

    Not exactly.

    Canada, like many countries in the world, does not have a single document which is its constitution. The British North America Act of 1867 joined the provinces into the Dominion of Canada and affirmed in law the form of "responsible government" which was already in place. The Statute of Westminster in 1931 gave us Canucks full autonomy. 1982 was when the Constitution Act added the Charter of Rights and Freedoms to our "constitution" (among other things).

  41. Re:Funny by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Informative

    > 1. No, you can't deduct the mortgage interest
    > on your home.

    That wouldn't have anything to do with the massive housing crisis would it? Perhaps people overextending themselves on mortgages, drunk on cheap credit and tax deductible interest.

    No...no...I suppose it wouldn't.

    > No, you don't have the right to free speech

    This is patently untrue. It's explicitly enshrined in the charter of rights and freedoms. Section 2b.

    > bare arms

    You have the right to bare arms, it's just not recommended in December or January.

    You also have the right to bare your breasts in public, should you choose to do so:
    http://www.niagarathisweek.com/news/article/112115

    If what you meant was "bear arms" you have those rights as well, but there are restrictions. There are restrictions in the United States as well, ours are just more reasonable (unless you consider private ownership of automatic weapons whose sole purpose is the killing of human beings a "right" in which case, I'm kind of glad you're there and I'm here.)

    > 4. No, you don't have title to your home in
    > Ontario, we maintain a record of your tenancy
    > in our government database. You car either.

    Also patently untrue, though there are exceptions when houses are built on public lands. You have title to your house.

    I do with our constitution more firmly enshrined property rights, but our courts have upheld them well.

    As for your car..you have title. Just because you have to register it (and provide proof of insurance) doesn't mean you don't have title. Vehicles are registered in states as well..or do you think those licence plates get handed out on the street at random?

    > 5. No, you can't spend your money to save your
    > life. Get in line for "free" health care.

    People always cite this without the flipside: hundreds of thousands of dollars of debt because you were hit by an uninsured driver? Because you were born with a genetic heart defect?

    Our system isn't perfect, but healthcare is a right not a privilege for those who can afford it.

    I'll take our system over yours, though I'll work to improve it.

    Free healthcare is a myth anyway: most provinces charge a monthly fee, waived for low incomes. In BC it's $52/month.

    So no flamebait. If you like it where you are, by all means stay. It's your choice.

    I've made mine.

  42. Re:Funny by Tim+Doran · · Score: 2, Insightful

    "Socialist pablum?" Dude, put the Fox News down before you hurt yourself.

    Also, "bare arms" = short sleeves. I am exercising my right to bare arms at this very moment. You probably meant "bear arms", aka "carry arms". While it's not in the Canadian constitution, there are plenty of guns in Canada and you know it.

    While we're at it, the Canadian Charter of Rights and Freedoms most certainly includes freedom of speech and religion. And I personally criticize the shit out of my municipal, provincial and federal governments on a regular (and public) basis. And I do so safe in the knowledge that they can't do a THING to me in retaliation. Jesus, did you sleep through grade 10 civics?

    All things considered (seriously, you plan to "blow the head off some daft politician"?!?), I'd encourage you to apply for US citizenship as soon as you're able. I hear the Appalachians are lovely this time of year.