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Wikipedia Bans Church of Scientology

El Reg writes "Showing a new-found resolve to crack down on self-serving edits, Wikipedia has banned contributions from all IP addresses owned or operated by the Church of Scientology. According to Wikipedia administrators, this marks the first time such a high-profile organization has been banished for allegedly pushing its own agenda on the 'free encyclopedia anyone can edit.'"

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  1. Fine by me by zappa86 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    It still is the "free encyclopedia anyone can edit," nothing has changed. You miss the point of "free" and "open" it doesnt mean that everything one puts will stay there. People make mistakes, people distort the truth, and people Lie. Others, have to correct these errors. If one person "cries wolf" a lot, you're simply not going to listen to them. This is all that it is. If someone had a history of not telling the truth, why would you trust them?

    1. Re:Fine by me by lindseyp · · Score: 5, Insightful

      No, but all this does is cracks down on "official" astroturfing. We all know that xenu's followers will simply do their edits from home, from now on.

      This sort of thing cannot be contained if the information is publically editable. I just hope this doesn't mark the beginning of the end for Wikipedia.

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    2. Re:Fine by me by jandersen · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Scientology is currently everyone's favorite whipping boy. Followers of larger and more powerful religions don't want to get into a debate about whose beliefs are nuttier, because they're all about equally nutty when you get right down to it.

      Let me just point out that this is not a question of which religion is stupider; to me as a convinced atheist they are all equally meaningless, but there are some that are far more harmful than others. Scientology is way out there, not because of what they believe in, according to their books, but because they behave to all intents and purposes as a dangerous and unscrupulous criminal organisation. The first thing they do to new members is make them deeply indebted to the organization by pushing them through meaningless "courses" that get exponentially more expensive. And they suppress any criticism with extremely vicious attacks on those who are critical - as well as their familes.

      Calling Scientlogy merely a cult is way too generous. They are a criminal organisation.

  2. So what? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Now the Scientologists will just edit it from their homes.

    1. Re:So what? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Like the Congressmen do now.

    2. Re:So what? by Nathrael · · Score: 5, Insightful

      "Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia anyone* can edit. *not including people who constantly make disruptive edits and keep breaking the established rules". What the Co$ was doing wasn't exercising their right to free speech, they were vandalizing a website with spreading lies. Free speech means you can lie in your own mediums and when talking to people, but does not include the right to lie in a medium you do not own, because there, you have to operate within the rules that apply to everybody.

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    3. Re:So what? by jbolden · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Pro scientology viewpoints are not banned. A group of editors is banned. They aren't banning a viewpoint but a subgroup of people.

  3. Re:Yay by Omniscient+Lurker · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I;m unaware of any mass Christian movement to edit Wikipedia. Heck Christians can't even agree within themselves, how will they push an agenda.

  4. Re:Why!? by Xtravar · · Score: 5, Insightful

    You know, it's all fine and nice to be anti-religion, but I am so sick of people involving Christianity whenever Scientology comes up. There is a difference between religion and cult, despite trying to lump them together for your own jollies, and this is coming from an atheist.

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  5. What Science? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Scientology is to science what Al Qaeda is to Islam, total fucktards having hijacked a noble precept.

  6. Re:freedom of expression by The+Master+Control+P · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Stop misusing important terms like "freedom of expression" until they lose all meaning.

    This is one private entity to another, a simple case of "my house, my rules" - Abuse them and I'll make you leave.

  7. Re:freedom of expression by Thansal · · Score: 5, Insightful

    "If we don't believe in freedom of expression for all people we despise, we don't believe in it at all." -- Noam Chomsky

    They are free to express themselves. Just not over here on this privately run website, that is supposed to host impartial articles on a wide range of subjects, because they refuse to be impartial in their expressions there. They are still perfectly free to express themselves though (this being the internet and all, they can post their drivel just about anywhere).

    Random side note:
    Since they are all supposed to be reincarnations of super beings (or something), why is it that they haven't cured cancer for us yet?

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  8. Re:Why!? by TapeCutter · · Score: 5, Insightful
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  9. Re:The Irony by Brandybuck · · Score: 5, Insightful

    No, it means they have to use other IP addresses. It's stupid of Wikipedia to think this stops anything.

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  10. Re:Why!? by domatic · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I don't entirely buy that. Most mainstream religions don't require a person to see themselves as worthy ONLY through the religion and most DON'T require as much offerings or tithing they can pressure you out of. There is a huge difference between the corner Baptist church where they don't get bent out of shape if you go to church with your Methodist friend some Sunday and a group like the Moonies. That Baptist church most likely isn't after you to sign over all your money and capital then sell yourself into virtual slavery to cross the Bridge as Scientology will.

    Religions differ in the demands they make on parishioners and in the control exerted on them. Religions that make inordinate demands on your social, psychological, time, credulity, and financial resources deserve a pejorative and "cult" is as good as any.

    There is plenty not to like about more mainstream religions like the Baptists and Southern Baptists especially but being a cult isn't one of them.

  11. \/!@GR@ 4 FREE by DirtyCanuck · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I'll stab.

    Using HUMANS to filter rather than code.

  12. Re:nice by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Yeah, it stinks. The more the fundamentalists proclaim themselves "conservative", the more "conservatism" becomes synonymous with "plain wrong and stupid". Sucks for level-headed conservatives!

  13. Re:Of course you are unaware by mathx314 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Yes, because there's never been anyone like Martin Luther or anything like the Great Schisms that could have negatively affected PR for Christianity. Nope, they've been completely and totally uniform in only letting good things come into public view.

  14. *Spam* is not a Point of View. by boombaard · · Score: 5, Insightful

    While I realise you probably live in the USA, where everything can be defended as "free speech", in the "real world" of forum and wiki administration there are some behaviors that need to be banned for, such as repeated trolling, spamming porn links, etc, that otherwise can make a forum/open community unbearable to work in.
    If you show repeatedly (for years now, I imagine) that you have no interest whatever in making positive contributions, but you still keep coming back to troll or vandalize other people's work, banning seems like a very good punishment. Let the childish fucks that are apparently unable to discourse civilly because of their religion stew in their own little world.
    Having to time and time again revert edits tires out even the biggest community (especially considering the amount of people who are watching articles like that are probably not all that common), as it is no more than a waste of time. Also, given the Hive mentality of Co$, I doubt if it matters much if you screen out the dumb fucks who are kept in compouds; the ones that are allowed to roam free (Tom cruise) are the dangerous ones.