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Time Warner Confirms Split With AOL

ausekilis writes "Many outlets are reporting that Time Warner has confirmed plans to spin off AOL. All that's left to deal with are a few financial hurdles, such as buying out Google's 5% stake in AOL. The interesting part of the story is that both AOL's CEO and Time Warner's CEO said effectively the same thing, that AOL will be better off as an independent unit, as opposed to 'a cog in the Time Warner wheel.' Interesting to note that when they originally merged, the idea was for AOL to be a one-stop shop for all your internet goods. Makes you wonder what would have happened if Time Warner had invested in AOL as an exclusive media outlet for movies, TV, music, etc. Perhaps AOL would have regained some speed and become the prominent household name it once was, instead of being that company who sent us all the free coasters."

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  1. Web verticalization by moon3 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Do we really need those all-inclusive portals anymore ? Time Warner might be thinking along those lines..

    1. Re:Web verticalization by RDW · · Score: 4, Funny

      'Do we really need those all-inclusive portals anymore?'

      Need them?! Surely the real danger is that they will become far too powerful! As a writer for one well-known technology blog put it a little while ago:

      'The juxtaposition of the two announcements was almost Biblical in its symbolism and significance...AOL and Time-Warner wouldn't just be creating another media company, but an information nation. This company would be much larger in cultural influence and economic power than most countries on the earth.'

      http://features.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=00/01/10/1418231

      Oh, wait...

  2. AOL==coasters by John+Hasler · · Score: 4, Funny

    > Perhaps AOL would have regained some speed and become the prominent household name it
    > once was, instead of being that company who sent us all the free coasters.

    Was it ever anything else? (I didn't actually get very many, though.)

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    1. Re:AOL==coasters by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Funny

      They were my primary supplier of floppy disks for years. I was bummed when they switched to CDs.

    2. Re:AOL==coasters by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Actually, one of the main reasons for AOL's steep decline after the merger was that Time Warner used all the positive cash flow from AOL and invested virtually nothing back into AOL future planning and infrastructure. That would kill just about any successful company.

      Had the merger been a couple of years later, when most folks got broadband, then Time Warner could have used AOL to distribute their content. At dial up speeds, there wasn't much in it for AOL. And by the time most folks moved, AOL was suffering badly. Verizon giving away MSN free to their DSL customers was another nail in the coffin. Distracting moving ads were another. Having a small portion of the screen visible for messages in webmail was another. (as were the AOL customer service people who didn't cancel contracts...in fact, attempts to retain customers backfired, instead of trying to keep the service good.) Another nail was the virtual abandonment of their business customers, and the catering to grandmas and young teens. IMAP was (and is) good, even .mac copied it.

      Perhaps now, without Time Warner, AOL might be able to move forward and actually attract people, instead of attempting to trap them. That is, if not all the good people have already left. I know some that have.

  3. The move to social networking. by MrCrassic · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I agree with those at America Online that think that as of now, it's best suited for a vertical move to social networking. It's internet connectivity model has been stagnant for a long time, but it's social networking features are strong and have room to improve. (AIM is the quintessential example of this.)

    However, I feel bad for those that still work at the company, and users still chained to their internet services for some reason or other.

    1. Re:The move to social networking. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

      However, I feel bad for those that still work at the company, and users still chained to their internet services for some reason or other.

      Don't feel bad at all, at least for the employees. Most of the employees are rather positive about the change and the new CEO, if today's meeting in Dulles is any indicator. There is now actually some hope that we will be allowed to be a company that understands how to sell internet services and content again. We actually have a rather large space staked out on the Internet which can be enlarged significantly, as well as better managed.

      AOL hasn't been about access for years now. We still have a rather large number of people who use AOL as an ISP, despite firing the whole marketing staff a few years ago. So much so that there is actually something of a drive to pay attention to that segment again, instead of letting it die off.

      Still, while the client hasn't died out, most of the work is happening on the content end. I recall some one posting here that says that we have "Engadget" and a few other blogs. Actually "a few" blogs at last count was more like a couple dozen blogs in the top 100.

      No one here is pretending that we're in the same place as Google, but at the same time, we're not trying to be in the same space as Google. We'll compete in some places and cooperate or defer to Google in others. For instance, Google is in the business of aggregating News, we are now in the business of producing News, having started to hire journalists from the fading print journalism sector to actually author content. Should the new model be fully realized, we will be in a very good position to actually lead coverage in certain areas and generate much better experiences for users, which will in turn be appreciated by advertisers.

      Of course, after ten years or so of problems and layoffs, no one at AOL believes a turnaround is going to be easy, or that we will be the powerhouse that once could be confused with "the Intarwebs". Bear in mind though, that we are still here nine years later, after one of the worse mergers in history, the dot-com bust, buy out negotiations AND the deepest recession in recent times. It certainly hasn't been easy, but the company has staked out a portion of the landscape and has managed to stay standing upright throughout. Considering that most of us are actually in favor of the spin-off means that this is unlikely to change.

  4. 0% Complete by Sduic · · Score: 4, Funny

    ...AOL as an exclusive media outlet for movies...

    Over dial-up, I think it would have been cheaper to GO to Hollywood (plus it might be finished downloading when you return)!

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  5. About... by Darkness404 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    About the only thing that AOL really has that are of any worth are AIM and a few blogs such as Engdaget. Other then that they have ruined their reputation too much to be profitable in any other thing.

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  6. Chat Giant by Haxx · · Score: 4, Interesting

        Plenty can be said about the cons of AOL such as the software being classified as a virus. There was a time period from 1996-2003 when AOL chat rooms had hundreds of thousands of participants 24 hours a day. For us introverts it was a social mecca.

  7. Coasters? by XanC · · Score: 5, Funny

    In my day they sent out floppy disks. You know, the kind that could be erased and something useful put on them. It was great!

  8. Ted Turner: The merger was "better than sex". by Futurepower(R) · · Score: 5, Interesting

    "Do we really need those all-inclusive portals anymore?"

    There was never a need for all-inclusive portals after the arrival of the internet. AOL was trying to keep less-knowledgeable people inside its own sites, and away from the internet, so it could make more money from its ads. For years, and I suppose even now, an AOL email address meant that the owner of the address didn't have any technically knowledgeable friends.

    The 88 BILLION dollars lost when Time Warner bought AOL has been considered to be the worst business decision of all time. Maybe the French selling the Louisiana Purchase to the U.S. government was a worse decision. But, if we include decisions made by government, then even the U.S. invading Iraq lost more money.

    At the time, even people with little technical knowledge knew that AOL was not a good company to buy.

    Time Warner's CEO, Gerald M. Levin, who made the decision, called himself an "imperial CEO". He made huge amounts of money, and didn't seem to care that he caused enormous troubles for his company, and for all its employees that owned stock.

    Just before the merger, Ted Turner called the merger "better than sex". The problem continues, of course. People with no technical knowledge assume that, if they don't know something, there is nothing to know. Technically knowledgeable people get amazingly little respect.

    1. Re:Ted Turner: The merger was "better than sex". by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

      Ted Turner called the merger "better than sex".

      Well, what do you expect from a guy who was married to Jane Fonda?

  9. The appeal of AOL by Orion+Blastar · · Score: 4, Insightful

    was mostly to people who couldn't figure out how to set up their Dialup account for Internet Access. One AOL install CD and they were on the Internet. Plus they had access to the Time/Warner media empire via the AOL search engine.

    But now most operating systems have Wizards to guide ISP setup just as easy as the AOL Install CD and most Broadband ISPS have install CDs to set up DSL/Cable Modems and Routers. Plus the media is all over the Internet and not just in an AOL search database. So really what need is there for AOL anymore?

    The only advantage for AOL is for those people who cannot get broadband but need a local call-in number that most other ISP's don't offer. I remember bringing my laptop to Branson, Missouri and my NetZero Free Internet dial-up account on my laptop could not get a local Branson number (From Branson for some reason calling Springfield and Joplin numbers where toll access at the Time Sharing Condos and are considered long distance and hence charged more on the bill even if they are in the same area code), but the people at the Time Sharing Condo said that AOL had several local numbers that work with their AOL software.

    But now with USB G3 based modems you can get an Internet connection almost anywhere for $40/month or lower. Plus many places offer free Wifi. So there isn't much need for dial-up access local numbers anymore. Cricket has a pay as you go plan, so you can pay for G3 access before you go on vacation and have a whole month to use it.

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  10. The other way around: AOL purchased Time-Warner by gaiageek · · Score: 5, Informative

    It was AOL who bought Time-Warner: http://news.cnet.com/2100-1023-235400.html

  11. AOL is being spun off? By their subsidiary? by pthisis · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Isn't that _backwards_? I mean, I know AOL is a laughingstock now, but they paid $164 billion to purchase Time-Warner in 2001. AOL bought Time-Warner, not the other way around. Doesn't the owner spin off the subsidiary?

    It was a brilliant move by them at the time to turn Internet bubble money into real money.

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