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Triangular Buttons Make On-Screen Keyboards More Usable

As someone targeted for perpetual failure by the designers of most keyboards, I'm happy to read The Register's report that "A British inventor has submitted a patent application for a wacky touchscreen keyboard design which, he claims, could spell the end for accidental key presses."

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  1. Maybe by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    Illt maek wruting furst psost easzier

  2. The Best Thing To Do by sycodon · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Is to get rid of the damned, usless, pain in the ass keycaps key.

    As for the keyboard itself, seems I've seen that in some si-fi movie.

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    1. Re:The Best Thing To Do by sakdoctor · · Score: 4, Informative

      The Logitech wave keyboard has a little "moat" around Capslock and Numlock keys, making them far less easy to accidentally press.
      You can also disable those keys in software, which I did straight away.

      Best keyboard I've ever owned.

    2. Re:The Best Thing To Do by Mordok-DestroyerOfWo · · Score: 4, Funny

      So now one can patent shapes? I need to get the paperwork rolling on a new idea I have for a tetrahedron mouse!

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    3. Re:The Best Thing To Do by geekoid · · Score: 3, Insightful

      As someone who sues it, I would say do NOT remove the caps lock. kthxby.
      In fact, serious data entry users use it regularly.

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    4. Re:The Best Thing To Do by hoytak · · Score: 2, Funny

      I thought the caps lock key made things easier? http://www.bash.org/?835030

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    5. Re:The Best Thing To Do by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Funny

      > As someone who sues it

      Why so litigious??

    6. Re:The Best Thing To Do by harryandthehenderson · · Score: 4, Funny

      As someone who sues it

      How exactly do you sue a keyboard key?

    7. Re:The Best Thing To Do by Jurily · · Score: 4, Informative

      You can also disable those keys in software, which I did straight away.

      Both X and XP/Vista can do that with any keyboard.

    8. Re:The Best Thing To Do by spydabyte · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Baker told Register Hardware today that each triangular key has significantly more dead space around it than youâ(TM)d find on a standard Qwerty layout. Consequently, users are more likely to press the correct key each time they tap.

      Significantly more is right. It's about the same size as the buttons themselves, doubling screen real-estate.

      From my minimalistic POV, that's horrid.

    9. Re:The Best Thing To Do by dzfoo · · Score: 5, Funny

      Don't me an idiot. He clearly meant "suse".

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    10. Re:The Best Thing To Do by RemoWilliams84 · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Why would you want sexually explicit words all over your screen all of the time?

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    11. Re:The Best Thing To Do by Krneki · · Score: 2, Insightful

      The ultimate PC fanatic, staring at the screen without moving for several hours.

      The idea is so wrong, but I like it. :)

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    12. Re:The Best Thing To Do by MaerD · · Score: 2, Informative

      FanFic? Heck, with text to speech you can stop calling those 900 numbers!

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    13. Re:The Best Thing To Do by GameMaster · · Score: 2, Insightful

      After that he took a moment out of the interview to stick his head out the window and yell at a group of young kids to "get off my lawn"...

      Seriously though all languages evolve and English isn't an exception. Sci-Fi is a generally accepted short-hand for "science fiction" most of the rest of society, that bothers to use the word, out-voted my Bradbury and they're the ones that get to decide.

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    14. Re:The Best Thing To Do by CarpetShark · · Score: 4, Funny

      The Logitech wave keyboard has a little "moat" around Capslock and Numlock keys

      Excellent. So then, the formula I need will be:

      (num_users * keyboard_price) + (num_users * large_reptile_price * crocodiles_per_moat)

      ?

    15. Re:The Best Thing To Do by gbjbaanb · · Score: 5, Funny

      so can most keyboards, when you use the (not supplied) screwdriver tool. :)

    16. Re:The Best Thing To Do by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

      How do you shout without a caps lock key?

    17. Re:The Best Thing To Do by Yvan256 · · Score: 4, Funny

      By pushing on the keys very, very hard.

    18. Re:The Best Thing To Do by Red+Flayer · · Score: 3, Funny

      I think you're missing a few factors.

      How many users can each crocodile kill or maim?
      How many users can attempt to cross each moat at a time?
      Can the users access the drawbridge controls? What is the cost of the security on the drawbridge controls?
      What is the value, in crocodiles, of a moat-bound kraken?
      Have you considered ill-tempered sea bass as an alternative to crocodiles (they are much cheaper than sharks WFLBs)?

      In short, I'm not sure you've thought through the moat implementation in depth. My firm, Moats and Goats, LLC, would be happy to offer our moat consulting services for a small fee. If you sign a contract by the 15th of this month, I'll throw in free goat lawn trimming for your castle courtyard (please note that goat disposal is not an issue; the crocs or kraks will need to be fed, after all).

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    19. Re:The Best Thing To Do by ExploHD · · Score: 2, Funny

      The Logitech wave keyboard has a little "moat" around Capslock and Numlock keys, making them far less easy to accidentally press.

      Plus it kept the Black Knight at bay!

    20. Re:The Best Thing To Do by Erikderzweite · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I use it for switching keyboard layouts. Much more convenient with Caps Lock than with Ctrl-Shift or Alt-Shift (damn you Windows for not allowing Caps Lock to toggle layouts!).

    21. Re:The Best Thing To Do by wastedlife · · Score: 2, Funny

      I find no problem with "Sci-Fi" as shorthand. "SyFy", on the other hand is a horrible marketing conception that looks like a pet name for a venereal disease.

      Anyway, I'm not going to bitch when someone calls a desktop tower a "CPU", so Bradbury (or whomever made the statement, as the poster was not sure) can go cry about his little pet-peeve in the corner and let everyone else continue to evolve the language.

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    22. Re:The Best Thing To Do by Thinboy00 · · Score: 4, Funny

      How do you shout without a caps lock key?

      Like this.

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    23. Re:The Best Thing To Do by slinches · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Significantly more is right. It's about the same size as the buttons themselves, doubling screen real-estate.

      From the picture, it looks like this could be done in the same screen area if the width and height of the triangular keys remained the same as their square counterparts. This would cause each key to be smaller in area though, so I'm not sure if it would be any better due to more frequent misses.

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    24. Re:The Best Thing To Do by LWATCDR · · Score: 2, Informative

      It isn't totally worthless. Some data entry apps require that some or all fields are in all caps. It is simpler for the clerks to use a caps lock then hold down the shift.
      Of course if the programmer wasn't an idiot they would just convert the field to all caps but sometimes people have to live with old software.
      Or I guess somewhere somebody used a lower case entry to be a sentential value to end data input.

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    25. Re:The Best Thing To Do by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

      Seriously, I'd like a keyboard that reads my mind

      dude, that is so yesterday. I'm using (blowjob) on of those key(nice tits) boards right now. I (69) highly reco(tap that)mmend that you go (damn, lookat that ass) out and get one (hot lesbian action) for yourself. They are (I'd like to bend her over) not that ex(she's gotta be 18)pensive.....

      you know, on second thought, not such a good idea.

    26. Re:The Best Thing To Do by rtb61 · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Of course the catch with using triangular shaped keys on a touch screen, is the dead space between keys is now far greater then the live space for the keys. So technically while you are far less likely to hit the wrong key you are also far more likely to hit dead space. So tapping the screen twice as often to get the same key strokes versus the occasional incorrect key stroke.

      I bet I can guess which will annoy the users the most, they will tend to blame themselves for pressing the wrong key and blamer the device for missing the key. He should forget apple and go with M$, M$ are always good for pulling bonehead maneuvers.

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  3. make users adapt to hardware by pz · · Score: 3, Insightful

    From the article:

    Baker told Register Hardware today that each triangular key has significantly more dead space around it than youâ(TM)d find on a standard Qwerty layout.

    Assuming the keys have the same pitch, then that means the active triangular zones are SMALLER than normal keys occupying the same overall keyboard area, making it even HARDER to type accurately, or, in other words, this trains the user to be more careful with their finger placements. It isn't magic (like standard rollover logic in keyboards), it's behavioral modification.

    Funny, I was always taught that programs and computers should be designed to make things easier for the user, not harder.

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    1. Re:make users adapt to hardware by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Funny, I was always taught that programs and computers should be designed to make things easier for the user, not harder.

      Um, yes but not easier to make mistakes...

    2. Re:make users adapt to hardware by Nursie · · Score: 2

      On the one hand it does change user behaviour by making them hit a different key area, but OTOH it also reduces the liklihood of hitting the wrong key because the sense area for the next key across is not right next to what they're trying to hit.

      Of course this may make it frustrating to use compared to a more intelligent keyboard, as you miss the key totally if you're a bit off centre... hmmm.

    3. Re:make users adapt to hardware by maxume · · Score: 2, Funny

      It's like peeing on the fly; having something to aim at makes it easier to aim.

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    4. Re:make users adapt to hardware by Brigadier · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I understood the design differently. since the use of triangles allows more neutral space the chance of overlapping to another key is lessoned. He also figured out how to do this without making the keyboard itself bigger. Not sure it has anything to do with behavioral modification. if this was the case palms graffiti would be king of the world.

    5. Re:make users adapt to hardware by SQLGuru · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Back in the early 90's (92, I believe), I was co-op'ing for IBM and was lucky enough to get to go to COMDEX provided I man a booth for a while. The product I was demo'ing was voice independant voice recognition (it was all the rage at the time). There was no training required, random guy from the street could walk up and interact with the computer by voice, regardless of dialect or accent. I got pretty good with it, but I noticed that some people did have to repeat themselves (but not more than twice) to get it to work -- again, early times in terms of speech recognition. But the reason I was good at it was that repeated practice actually trained ME to speak the way it wanted instead of it being able to adjust to how I spoke. Speech recognition has become more prevelant since then (BING 411 anyone? http://www.discoverbing.com/mobile/411/ ), and I'm sure you've made adjustments to how you speak to computers just to get past the voice prompts. You speak slower with more distinct pauses between words.

      Behavior modification is an effective way to improve computer input.

    6. Re:make users adapt to hardware by osu-neko · · Score: 2, Interesting

      It is easier to use; alas, it does the opposite of what you say. It doesn't train users to be more careful with their finger placements, it actually allows them to be less accurate. On a standard keyboard, if part of your finger strays outside the zone of the key you're trying to press, you end up also depressing the next key over too. On this keyboard, you do not. That's a boon for people who aren't so accurate with the placement of their fingers, but it'll make it harder for them to migrate to a standard, less-forgiving keyboard.

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    7. Re:make users adapt to hardware by Belial6 · · Score: 2, Funny

      I agree with you, and have actually had a problem with voice recognition because of it. When I got my bluetooth earpiece, I tried to use the speech dial. I just couldn't understand me. Every time it got it wrong, I would speak slower and enunciate better. It just wouldn't work. It turns out that I had to slur my speech to get it to understand me.

    8. Re:make users adapt to hardware by noidentity · · Score: 3, Informative

      Speech recognition has become more prevelant since then (BING 411 anyone? http://www.discoverbing.com/mobile/411/ )

      Goog-411 anyone? Been around for years too...

    9. Re:make users adapt to hardware by kwiqsilver · · Score: 2, Insightful

      that means the active triangular zones are SMALLER than normal keys occupying the same overall keyboard area, making it even HARDER to type accurately

      There's an easy solution to that: Make the visual deadspace around the key part of the input for that key, in say a rectangular shape.</sarcasm>

      Really what he's trying to patent is the idea of putting more space between two things to avoid accidentally hitting the wrong one, which should make it a nominee for the "duh!" patent of the year. The shape of the key is irrelevant; he could do exactly the same thing with a circle or a square. The problem is the touchscreen is very small, so spacing the keys farther apart makes them even tinier than on current products. My iPhone keys are already a small fraction of the size of my thumbprint, so it's already guessing that when I simultaneously touch e r t f, that I mean r, so with smaller keys, it's still going to have to guess that I meant r instead of 'no input'.

    10. Re:make users adapt to hardware by droopycom · · Score: 2, Insightful

      So I guess:

      - It increase the likelyhood of hitting NO key.
      - It decrease the likelyhood of hitting the WRONG key.
      - It decrease the likelyhood of hitting the RIGHT key.

      So the design fails, since my goal is to hit the RIGHT key.

    11. Re:make users adapt to hardware by Devout_IPUite · · Score: 2, Funny

      I just swear at computers until they put me through to an operator.

    12. Re:make users adapt to hardware by JaredOfEuropa · · Score: 2, Interesting

      in other words, this trains the user to be more careful with their finger placements. It isn't magic (like standard rollover logic in keyboards), it's behavioral modification.

      Exactly, and it just might work. They recently pulled a similar bevavioral trick in my apartment's car park: instead of painting white lines to separate the car slots, they painted grey rectangles on each space, more or less the width of a car so that there's seemingly a lot more dead space between slots. The result? I notice that people park their cars much more neatly now, and it's now rare to find a car parked so close you can't open your door anymore, even though each car still has the same space as before.

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  4. I'll consider... by sleekware · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I'll wait to upgrade to a touch screen when my Model M ceases to function. Seeing as that will be never, I suppose touch screens will be an upgrade that just won't be happening for me.

    1. Re:I'll consider... by Prof.Phreak · · Score: 2, Funny

      ...and I'll upgrade my car when my Model-T stops running :^)

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  5. Stupid by Roadmaster · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Actually it misses the point, since "significanty more dead space between keys" is only a feasible solution if you have a physically larger screen. He's effectively making the keys smaller, thus harder to hit, and the "dead space" is just space where nothing happens = confused users.

    Next thing we know, someone will be inventing a "capacitive stylus" touting "higher precision" while using your iPhone. Well yes, but that's SO not the point of a capacitive, finger-friendly touchscreen.

    1. Re:Stupid by Idiomatick · · Score: 5, Insightful

      It forces users to have better aim BUT if you do have shitty aim then you don't get a 'false positive?...' It won't type anything. Think of it as graceful failure.

    2. Re:Stupid by geekoid · · Score: 5, Insightful

      No one presses a single point, the press an area. By putting the spaces there you are more likely to get the correct key as opposed to fat finger the next key by imstake becasue it got a larger area pressed.

      It's pretty clever.

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    3. Re:Stupid by Brandee07 · · Score: 4, Informative

      Next thing we know, someone will be inventing a "capacitive stylus" touting "higher precision" while using your iPhone. Well yes, but that's SO not the point of a capacitive, finger-friendly touchscreen.

      You're late to the party: http://www.thinkgeek.com/gadgets/cellphone/a31f/

      Also, you can get gloves with capacitive tips on the fingers, for iPhone use when it's too damn cold outside (less relevant in summer...) http://www.tavoproducts.com/

    4. Re:Stupid by Hijacked+Public · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Then why outline the 'keys' at all....just use rows of letters.

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    5. Re:Stupid by HTH+NE1 · · Score: 3, Insightful

      No, it prevents users from hitting two keys at once, preventing the need for the software to decide which one the user hit (the one hit first in time or the one hit most by area).

      And then maybe it will remove the predictive typing that prevents users from typing "kewl" by presuming the fourth letter should be a "p".

      If it was made up of triangles in alternating directions (like a Pegasus Galaxy DHD) then you'd have no benefit for Fat Finger Syndrome.

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    6. Re:Stupid by hoggoth · · Score: 4, Funny

      Only on Slashdot is it helpful to explain how something works by pointing out it is similar to devices in the Pegasus galaxy.

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    7. Re:Stupid by Devout_IPUite · · Score: 2, Insightful

      You want Q A and Z to have the same up/down orientation. (if you put the fat ends together you get too much border crossing). You could also interlock the teeth but keep them far apart, that would allow you to have more space and pull the user towards the target.

      I found that even very small areas users will get very close to if that's the size you make the button. Better to make a button a few pixels smaller with a border that still clicks IMO.

  6. Other innevitable innovations... by RyanFenton · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Just add unique bumps/shapes to the edges of the triangles, and you don't have to look while texting either. It would be quite a bit better than rectangular buttons, because as you slide your thumb around, the triangular gaps would make the shapes rather easy to "read" by feel. There - now if anyone wants prior art on the inevitable patent dispute over this basic idea, this post is the prior art you can say you derived your product from. Ryan Fenton

    1. Re:Other innevitable innovations... by jeffb+(2.718) · · Score: 5, Funny

      And you could put little springs under the bumps, so that you could feel them move when you pressed them hard enough!

    2. Re:Other innevitable innovations... by stubob · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Did you just invent braille?

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  7. Apple is, or should be, FAR ahead of this... by jeffb+(2.718) · · Score: 5, Interesting

    ...based on the IP they acquired from FingerWorks. You can do really sophisticated error-correction if you're getting not only a stream of characters, but the exact location of the press, contact area, dwell time, and possibly more. So, with a virtual multi-touch keyboard, you can say "Okay, that looked like an R, but the contact was actually most of the way over toward E, and the previous two letters were T-H, so I'm going to go ahead and make it an E."

    I know it'll rankle the manual-transmission crowd, but I've been using a FingerWorks keyboard for years, and most of the time, it's absolutely spooky how well the autocorrect works. (Just don't try high-intensity vi work.)

    1. Re:Apple is, or should be, FAR ahead of this... by C10H14N2 · · Score: 4, Funny

      most of the way over toward E, and the previous two letters were T-H, so I'm going to go ahead and make it an E.

      That is the single most aggravating "feature" of the iPhone keyboard. To he'll with that ducking shot.

    2. Re:Apple is, or should be, FAR ahead of this... by jkoke · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Settings > General > Keyboard > Auto-Correction

      Been there since v. 2.2

    3. Re:Apple is, or should be, FAR ahead of this... by goodmanj · · Score: 2, Informative

      Agree. Anyone who thinks this is a cool idea hasn't used an iPhone keypad much.

      The inventor's still stuck on the notion that each keypress must map onto a single character somehow, but the iPhone is smarter than that. It resolves ambiguous keypresses based on the letters that came before, and *also* the ones that came after. For instance, typing "THI", it assumes I'm on my way to "this", "thin", or "thick", but if I follow it up with "MAS", it changes the I to an O for "THOMAS".

      And if I really did want to type the unusual name "Thimas", I just hit the little cancel-autocorrect x-box on the screen.

    4. Re:Apple is, or should be, FAR ahead of this... by ByteSlicer · · Score: 2, Funny

      Just don't try high-intensity vi work

      No problemo. I'll just use emacs then.

    5. Re:Apple is, or should be, FAR ahead of this... by jkoke · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Fuck! If you don't know what your own tech is capable of then, yes, you're doing it wrong. And, being concise != smug.

  8. Re:Another site (with working image) by HTH+NE1 · · Score: 2, Informative

    That's just a blog with a scaled down version of the image and linking back to The Register.

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  9. For the iPhone, doesn't make sense by Chris+Pimlott · · Score: 5, Insightful

    For a physical keyboard, this seems reasonable - if you eliminate edges where the keys touch, each other, then you're less likely to accidentally press two keys at once. But for a virtual keyboard like on the iPod, it doesn't matter if you "touch" two keys at once with your finger - the software can determine which one you were actually closer to, and only register that.

    While there are certainly drawbacks to a touchscreen, such as lack of tactile feedback, this is one area where they have an advantage - a larger percentage of usuable surface area, as touches that would be a multiple button mash on physical keyboards can be unambiguously mapped to a single key in software.

  10. ?? On touchscreens.. by dbcad7 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Is the area designated as a button always the same size as the graphic of the button ? .. why couldn't you do the same thing showing square buttons but sensing triangular or smaller circular areas ? .. You could also use color in the button graphic to target the hotspot, fading to the buttton edges.

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    1. Re:?? On touchscreens.. by RobinH · · Score: 2, Funny

      Quick, you'd better patent that idea so nobody else can use it.

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    2. Re:?? On touchscreens.. by goodmanj · · Score: 2, Informative

      That's exactly what the iPhone does. You can be really sloppy when typing common letters like "S", but you have to be more precise for nearby uncommon letters like "Z". Not that that's a problem, it'll autocorrect if you miss.

      Supposedly the sizes of these sensitive areas can change based on what you're in the process of typing, but I can't tell if it's actually doing that.

  11. Hah! by beadfulthings · · Score: 3, Informative

    They may make commercials about butt-dialing. But on the day after I got my iPhone, I hung up on a customer and dialed the veterinarian's office all without being aware I was doing it--with the side of my face. I therefore invented face-dialing. It took several days to get used to the keyboard, but it took longer to accustom myself to not mashing down on crucial icons while talking. I can use the keyboard efficiently now, but I suspect the learning curve would have been less with the keyboard described in the article. And it's not a mental learning curve. It's a physical skill like typing on a full sized keyboard.I'd also like to see them add a very slight lip around the perimeter of the screen where the silver metal is located. It would be a tactile reminder to keep the damned thing away from my face.

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    1. Re:Hah! by BattleApple · · Score: 2, Informative

      there's a photo reflector or something that's supposed to shut the screen off when it's close to your face. maybe yours is faulty? Either that, or your face has the ability to absorb the infrared light

  12. With all that space between keys... by jomegat · · Score: 5, Funny

    With all that space between the keys, there's room for even more buttons!

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  13. Klingon Keyboard? by RandomChars · · Score: 4, Interesting

    This reminds me of the klingon displays from startrek

  14. I tried it by Inda · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I made the image fit the screen (CTRL + [+]) and, well that was it. It felt no different. It looked no different.

    Surely it's just a matter of practice when using large on screen keyboards?

    Aim for the top of the triangle? Why bother outlining the keyboard letters at all?

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  15. Sceptical by dethndrek · · Score: 3, Insightful

    As a programmer, any time I hear hype like this ". . .could spell the end for accidental key presses." I laugh a little.

    We will NEVER spell the end for accidental use of technology by using more technology.

    It kind of falls into the old maxim "Try to make anything idiot proof, and the world with generate bigger idiots".

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    1. Re:Sceptical by dethndrek · · Score: 2, Funny

      And proving my point about idiots, I mispelled skeptical in the subject.

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  16. I'm more upset... by PJ1216 · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I'm more upset that he got a patent for changing the shapes from square to a triangle. This doesn't show any real creativity to even constitute a design patent. Its like a themed keyboard. Like if someone decided to make a keyboard using various shapes just for style. I doubt that could be patented either.

  17. Lazy programmer by Guysmiley777 · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Interesting idea until a lazy programmer decides that detecting a triangular shaped area from a set of coordinates is too fussy and just divides the key areas up into boxes.

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  18. Missing the points by 192939495969798999 · · Score: 2, Insightful

    This has nothing to do with the main reasons that people like me cannot use tiny keyboards.
    0. When I press down, my finger pad overlaps way more than one key. therefore, I am prone to make mistakes.
    1. I can't see through my finger to the keyboard if my finger covers 2 or more keys, therefore I am prone to make some more mistakes.
    2. No, I don't need to see the keys, but I at least need to be able to feel their delineations in lieu of that, and since the thing has no tactile measurable quality like a real keyboard, I am prone to make yet more mistakes.

    I can work a blackberry keyboard a little because at least i can feel the difference in the keys vs. spaces. Without some physical delineation or press-from-behind type capacity, I don't think any tiny touchscreen keyboard will be any more for me usable than any other one.

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    1. Re:Missing the points by jkoke · · Score: 2, Informative

      The iPhone keyboard "pops up" the letter you are currently pressing so you can see it above your finger or thumb. You can move your finger around to different letters and the keypress won't register until you lift your finger.

  19. Training to make unaware mistakes? by el_gato_borracho · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Does using such an auto-correcting keyboard make it harder to type correctly when you move to a "normal" keyboard? Something bothers me about devices that train me to make more unaware mistakes.

    1. Re:Training to make unaware mistakes? by jeffb+(2.718) · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Does using such an auto-correcting keyboard make it harder to type correctly when you move to a "normal" keyboard? Something bothers me about devices that train me to make more unaware mistakes.

      A little. But it's completely overwhelmed by the rich tactile feedback that you get from a physical keyboard. Without that tactile feedback, even the recovered-from-alien-spacecraft-level intelligence in the FingerWorks TouchStream keyboard only gets you up to about half the typing speed you see on a conventional keyboard; that, and the $300-400 price tag, made it a commercial failure.

      But I'm much happier typing half as fast and having zero wrist pain. (No reaching for the mouse or modifier keys; they're both gestures, and don't even require you to move from the home position.)

      When I do go back to a conventional keyboard, I sometimes make a few autocorrect-worthy mistakes in the first few minutes, but then I shift back into non-zero-force mode and they go away. My speed and accuracy on a conventional keyboard, while it's always been substandard, hasn't dropped since I've been using the TouchStream.

  20. Schizoid Moderation by sycodon · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Some might find this interesting. This is the moderation email I got for the orginal comment. Not a political comment, not calling anyone names. Sure as hell not dissing Linux or Macs or Windows or Obama.

    A user has moderated your comment "Insightful" (+1).
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    Further moderations that I have not been notified about have reduced the score to 0.

    Just as sure as I say I don't really care someone will say I obviously do. But WTF ever.

    What is reallying interesting is that some people appear to have some serious emotional investment in the caps lock key.

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  21. Re:now he tells me... by Jurily · · Score: 2, Informative

    PowerOff, Sleep and WakeUp are pretty much standard keys.

    This is the standard.