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Triangular Buttons Make On-Screen Keyboards More Usable

As someone targeted for perpetual failure by the designers of most keyboards, I'm happy to read The Register's report that "A British inventor has submitted a patent application for a wacky touchscreen keyboard design which, he claims, could spell the end for accidental key presses."

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  1. Maybe by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    Illt maek wruting furst psost easzier

  2. The Best Thing To Do by sycodon · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Is to get rid of the damned, usless, pain in the ass keycaps key.

    As for the keyboard itself, seems I've seen that in some si-fi movie.

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    1. Re:The Best Thing To Do by sakdoctor · · Score: 4, Informative

      The Logitech wave keyboard has a little "moat" around Capslock and Numlock keys, making them far less easy to accidentally press.
      You can also disable those keys in software, which I did straight away.

      Best keyboard I've ever owned.

    2. Re:The Best Thing To Do by Mordok-DestroyerOfWo · · Score: 4, Funny

      So now one can patent shapes? I need to get the paperwork rolling on a new idea I have for a tetrahedron mouse!

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    3. Re:The Best Thing To Do by geekoid · · Score: 3, Insightful

      As someone who sues it, I would say do NOT remove the caps lock. kthxby.
      In fact, serious data entry users use it regularly.

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    4. Re:The Best Thing To Do by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Funny

      > As someone who sues it

      Why so litigious??

    5. Re:The Best Thing To Do by harryandthehenderson · · Score: 4, Funny

      As someone who sues it

      How exactly do you sue a keyboard key?

    6. Re:The Best Thing To Do by Jurily · · Score: 4, Informative

      You can also disable those keys in software, which I did straight away.

      Both X and XP/Vista can do that with any keyboard.

    7. Re:The Best Thing To Do by spydabyte · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Baker told Register Hardware today that each triangular key has significantly more dead space around it than youâ(TM)d find on a standard Qwerty layout. Consequently, users are more likely to press the correct key each time they tap.

      Significantly more is right. It's about the same size as the buttons themselves, doubling screen real-estate.

      From my minimalistic POV, that's horrid.

    8. Re:The Best Thing To Do by dzfoo · · Score: 5, Funny

      Don't me an idiot. He clearly meant "suse".

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    9. Re:The Best Thing To Do by RemoWilliams84 · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Why would you want sexually explicit words all over your screen all of the time?

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    10. Re:The Best Thing To Do by CarpetShark · · Score: 4, Funny

      The Logitech wave keyboard has a little "moat" around Capslock and Numlock keys

      Excellent. So then, the formula I need will be:

      (num_users * keyboard_price) + (num_users * large_reptile_price * crocodiles_per_moat)

      ?

    11. Re:The Best Thing To Do by gbjbaanb · · Score: 5, Funny

      so can most keyboards, when you use the (not supplied) screwdriver tool. :)

    12. Re:The Best Thing To Do by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

      How do you shout without a caps lock key?

    13. Re:The Best Thing To Do by Yvan256 · · Score: 4, Funny

      By pushing on the keys very, very hard.

    14. Re:The Best Thing To Do by Red+Flayer · · Score: 3, Funny

      I think you're missing a few factors.

      How many users can each crocodile kill or maim?
      How many users can attempt to cross each moat at a time?
      Can the users access the drawbridge controls? What is the cost of the security on the drawbridge controls?
      What is the value, in crocodiles, of a moat-bound kraken?
      Have you considered ill-tempered sea bass as an alternative to crocodiles (they are much cheaper than sharks WFLBs)?

      In short, I'm not sure you've thought through the moat implementation in depth. My firm, Moats and Goats, LLC, would be happy to offer our moat consulting services for a small fee. If you sign a contract by the 15th of this month, I'll throw in free goat lawn trimming for your castle courtyard (please note that goat disposal is not an issue; the crocs or kraks will need to be fed, after all).

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    15. Re:The Best Thing To Do by Thinboy00 · · Score: 4, Funny

      How do you shout without a caps lock key?

      Like this.

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  3. make users adapt to hardware by pz · · Score: 3, Insightful

    From the article:

    Baker told Register Hardware today that each triangular key has significantly more dead space around it than youâ(TM)d find on a standard Qwerty layout.

    Assuming the keys have the same pitch, then that means the active triangular zones are SMALLER than normal keys occupying the same overall keyboard area, making it even HARDER to type accurately, or, in other words, this trains the user to be more careful with their finger placements. It isn't magic (like standard rollover logic in keyboards), it's behavioral modification.

    Funny, I was always taught that programs and computers should be designed to make things easier for the user, not harder.

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    1. Re:make users adapt to hardware by SQLGuru · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Back in the early 90's (92, I believe), I was co-op'ing for IBM and was lucky enough to get to go to COMDEX provided I man a booth for a while. The product I was demo'ing was voice independant voice recognition (it was all the rage at the time). There was no training required, random guy from the street could walk up and interact with the computer by voice, regardless of dialect or accent. I got pretty good with it, but I noticed that some people did have to repeat themselves (but not more than twice) to get it to work -- again, early times in terms of speech recognition. But the reason I was good at it was that repeated practice actually trained ME to speak the way it wanted instead of it being able to adjust to how I spoke. Speech recognition has become more prevelant since then (BING 411 anyone? http://www.discoverbing.com/mobile/411/ ), and I'm sure you've made adjustments to how you speak to computers just to get past the voice prompts. You speak slower with more distinct pauses between words.

      Behavior modification is an effective way to improve computer input.

    2. Re:make users adapt to hardware by noidentity · · Score: 3, Informative

      Speech recognition has become more prevelant since then (BING 411 anyone? http://www.discoverbing.com/mobile/411/ )

      Goog-411 anyone? Been around for years too...

  4. I'll consider... by sleekware · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I'll wait to upgrade to a touch screen when my Model M ceases to function. Seeing as that will be never, I suppose touch screens will be an upgrade that just won't be happening for me.

  5. Stupid by Roadmaster · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Actually it misses the point, since "significanty more dead space between keys" is only a feasible solution if you have a physically larger screen. He's effectively making the keys smaller, thus harder to hit, and the "dead space" is just space where nothing happens = confused users.

    Next thing we know, someone will be inventing a "capacitive stylus" touting "higher precision" while using your iPhone. Well yes, but that's SO not the point of a capacitive, finger-friendly touchscreen.

    1. Re:Stupid by Idiomatick · · Score: 5, Insightful

      It forces users to have better aim BUT if you do have shitty aim then you don't get a 'false positive?...' It won't type anything. Think of it as graceful failure.

    2. Re:Stupid by geekoid · · Score: 5, Insightful

      No one presses a single point, the press an area. By putting the spaces there you are more likely to get the correct key as opposed to fat finger the next key by imstake becasue it got a larger area pressed.

      It's pretty clever.

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    3. Re:Stupid by Brandee07 · · Score: 4, Informative

      Next thing we know, someone will be inventing a "capacitive stylus" touting "higher precision" while using your iPhone. Well yes, but that's SO not the point of a capacitive, finger-friendly touchscreen.

      You're late to the party: http://www.thinkgeek.com/gadgets/cellphone/a31f/

      Also, you can get gloves with capacitive tips on the fingers, for iPhone use when it's too damn cold outside (less relevant in summer...) http://www.tavoproducts.com/

    4. Re:Stupid by HTH+NE1 · · Score: 3, Insightful

      No, it prevents users from hitting two keys at once, preventing the need for the software to decide which one the user hit (the one hit first in time or the one hit most by area).

      And then maybe it will remove the predictive typing that prevents users from typing "kewl" by presuming the fourth letter should be a "p".

      If it was made up of triangles in alternating directions (like a Pegasus Galaxy DHD) then you'd have no benefit for Fat Finger Syndrome.

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    5. Re:Stupid by hoggoth · · Score: 4, Funny

      Only on Slashdot is it helpful to explain how something works by pointing out it is similar to devices in the Pegasus galaxy.

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  6. Apple is, or should be, FAR ahead of this... by jeffb+(2.718) · · Score: 5, Interesting

    ...based on the IP they acquired from FingerWorks. You can do really sophisticated error-correction if you're getting not only a stream of characters, but the exact location of the press, contact area, dwell time, and possibly more. So, with a virtual multi-touch keyboard, you can say "Okay, that looked like an R, but the contact was actually most of the way over toward E, and the previous two letters were T-H, so I'm going to go ahead and make it an E."

    I know it'll rankle the manual-transmission crowd, but I've been using a FingerWorks keyboard for years, and most of the time, it's absolutely spooky how well the autocorrect works. (Just don't try high-intensity vi work.)

    1. Re:Apple is, or should be, FAR ahead of this... by C10H14N2 · · Score: 4, Funny

      most of the way over toward E, and the previous two letters were T-H, so I'm going to go ahead and make it an E.

      That is the single most aggravating "feature" of the iPhone keyboard. To he'll with that ducking shot.

    2. Re:Apple is, or should be, FAR ahead of this... by jkoke · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Settings > General > Keyboard > Auto-Correction

      Been there since v. 2.2

  7. Re:Other innevitable innovations... by jeffb+(2.718) · · Score: 5, Funny

    And you could put little springs under the bumps, so that you could feel them move when you pressed them hard enough!

  8. For the iPhone, doesn't make sense by Chris+Pimlott · · Score: 5, Insightful

    For a physical keyboard, this seems reasonable - if you eliminate edges where the keys touch, each other, then you're less likely to accidentally press two keys at once. But for a virtual keyboard like on the iPod, it doesn't matter if you "touch" two keys at once with your finger - the software can determine which one you were actually closer to, and only register that.

    While there are certainly drawbacks to a touchscreen, such as lack of tactile feedback, this is one area where they have an advantage - a larger percentage of usuable surface area, as touches that would be a multiple button mash on physical keyboards can be unambiguously mapped to a single key in software.

  9. ?? On touchscreens.. by dbcad7 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Is the area designated as a button always the same size as the graphic of the button ? .. why couldn't you do the same thing showing square buttons but sensing triangular or smaller circular areas ? .. You could also use color in the button graphic to target the hotspot, fading to the buttton edges.

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  10. Hah! by beadfulthings · · Score: 3, Informative

    They may make commercials about butt-dialing. But on the day after I got my iPhone, I hung up on a customer and dialed the veterinarian's office all without being aware I was doing it--with the side of my face. I therefore invented face-dialing. It took several days to get used to the keyboard, but it took longer to accustom myself to not mashing down on crucial icons while talking. I can use the keyboard efficiently now, but I suspect the learning curve would have been less with the keyboard described in the article. And it's not a mental learning curve. It's a physical skill like typing on a full sized keyboard.I'd also like to see them add a very slight lip around the perimeter of the screen where the silver metal is located. It would be a tactile reminder to keep the damned thing away from my face.

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  11. With all that space between keys... by jomegat · · Score: 5, Funny

    With all that space between the keys, there's room for even more buttons!

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  12. Klingon Keyboard? by RandomChars · · Score: 4, Interesting

    This reminds me of the klingon displays from startrek

  13. Sceptical by dethndrek · · Score: 3, Insightful

    As a programmer, any time I hear hype like this ". . .could spell the end for accidental key presses." I laugh a little.

    We will NEVER spell the end for accidental use of technology by using more technology.

    It kind of falls into the old maxim "Try to make anything idiot proof, and the world with generate bigger idiots".

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  14. Schizoid Moderation by sycodon · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Some might find this interesting. This is the moderation email I got for the orginal comment. Not a political comment, not calling anyone names. Sure as hell not dissing Linux or Macs or Windows or Obama.

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    Just as sure as I say I don't really care someone will say I obviously do. But WTF ever.

    What is reallying interesting is that some people appear to have some serious emotional investment in the caps lock key.

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