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Epix Provides "Free" HD Studio Content Via TV and Internet

It looks as though the movie studios are at least trying to learn from past failures and others' success with the upcoming launch of Epix (beta starts today), an HD television channel and accompanying online 720p service. The good part about this service is, if you are lucky enough to have a television provider who decides to become a partner, you wont have to pay extra to get it. The main downside, of course, is if your cable company decides not to plug this service in you will have no way to subscribe. "Like Hulu, the Epix movie service is a joint venture formed by the content owners; in this case, the service is powered by the movie studios Lions Gate, Paramount, and MGM. The Epix TV network will air movies that are in the "pay-TV" window — those weeks before a film appears on DVD in which it is available on pay-per-view or HBO, among others."

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  1. Why? by Phroggy · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Why would they do this? This is going to compete against both pay-per-view/HBO and DVD sales/rentals, both of which bring in real revenue. Are they really betting the ad revenue from Epix will offset that loss? Or are they simply trying to attract attention without a business model?

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    1. Re:Why? by MozeeToby · · Score: 4, Insightful

      The cable company pays them for the right to carry the service/channel. By bundling the paywall in with your cable, they (in all fairness) open up a cheap and legal means for a large number of people to watch network shows online. On the downside (and more cynical side), this is now being bundled with your cable bill whether you like it or not, essentially forcing all cable subscribers to subsidize the program.

    2. Re:Why? by nine-times · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Well I can't say for sure, but my guess would be that they're looking at how much revenue they're losing to online torrents and asking themselves, "Is there any way we can get that business?"

      As for the alternatives, they don't care about cannibalizing DVD rentals, because they don't really make money from them. They could license the same content to HBO, but then they basically have to take the cut of profits that HBO gives them. Why not just start your own channel and keep all the profits for yourself? They might hurt DVD sales, but they might believe that DVD sales are already on the way out.

      Ultimately they're faced with a problem. Their old business model depended on having complete control over distribution, so if you wanted to see a movie just out in theaters, you had to rush to see in in theaters or else wait a year for it to come out on video. If you wanted to see the movie during the time between theatrical release and video release, well... tough. These days, if you really want to see a movie, you can often get it online before the theatrical release, most likely before it comes out on video, and certainly once it's been released to video. The movie studio has to make it a little more pleasant and convenient for people to see the movies they want to see, when they want to see it, and how they want to see it, or risk having their current business model fall apart.

  2. Learn from past mistakes? by h4rr4r · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I think not. This is the content providers selling access to their cable arms. This is just another attempt to turn the internet into AOL.

    If they had learned anything the films would be available to anyone with the cash in hand and would be in an unDRMed format.

  3. Cable providers biting the hands that feed them? by imajinarie · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Really, though. I can't imagine cable providers wanting to upset the likes of HBO, Showtime, Max, etc, by agreeing to an untested service that directly competes with those? Have to wait and see, whenever they announce the partners.

  4. No chance by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

    1. Cable companies make money on pay-per-view. This product would provide the same movies for free to subscribers, and would probably cost cable companies themselves to offer it. Given that cable companies are in the business of making money, it would seem like they have every reason to avoid this.
    2. The article says that Netflix isn't a viable outlet for the studios because it doesn't have many new releases.

    "the real question is why the studios would launch their own distribution network instead of just offloading the films to partners already equipped to handle them? Rensing insists that the services are just too different. While Hulu does offer some films, it's focused almost exclusively on TV at the moment and is ad-supported. Netflix On Demand doesn't have access to the same super-recent hit titles." [FTFA, no edits]

    How is that a reason? The studios don't let Netflix stream the new movies. That's not a distribution system issue, it's a policy decision by these very studios. It's just sloppy reporting, I guess. It should just say "The studios don't want to use Netflix On Demand."

  5. And when it dies by oodaloop · · Score: 5, Funny

    we can all say, "Epix Fail!"

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  6. Seriously? by Aladrin · · Score: 3, Informative

    Is this really a good idea?

    Upsides:
    No fees listed on cable bill
    Can stream to computer or watch HD channel directly
    No ads

    Downsides:
    Service is -not- free. Only way to get it is for your Cable provider to subscribe and pass that cost on to every single subscriber, whether they want it or not, as part of their standard cable bill.

    This could be a nice service, if you could sign up for it as an individual and it was reasonably priced. I can't see how it could possibly be reasonably priced, though, since they are putting up movies that compete with rentals and PPV. Unless, of course, it's only old crappy movies, and then it's crap you could watch anyhow, but with ads.

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    1. Re:Seriously? by Lumpy · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I disagree.

      How about the movie studios stop being raging assholes and allow Netflix to stream the new releases?

      No need to create a new model, if you want it you can subscribe. Everyone is happy.

      Plus I dont have to make the old lady down the street pay for my movie subscription with their trickle down pricing pyramid scheme.

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  7. binary in their HTML code by bwindle2 · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Did anybody else notice the binary block in their front page's HTML code ( 01010111011001010010011101110010 01100101001000000110111001101111 00100000011100110111010001110010 01100001011011100110011101100101 01110010011100110010000001110100 01101111001000000110110001101111 01110110011001010000110100001010 01011001011011110111010100100000 01101011011011100110111101110111 00100000011101000110100001100101 00100000011100100111010101101100 01100101011100110010110000100000 01100001011011100110010000100000 01110011011011110010000001100100 011011110010000001001001)? It translates to "We're no strangers to love You know the rules, and so do I"

    1. Re:binary in their HTML code by wowbagger · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Think about it: there are numerous folks on places like /. that would never DREAM of visiting a page like this under normal circumstances.

      However, let one geek work out what that binary is and post it, and suddenly a large fraction of those folks will thunder over there to confirm it for themselves.

      AAAAANNNNNND, those folks will be amused, and thus will be in a more receptive frame of mind to accept the sales pitch.

    2. Re:binary in their HTML code by Killer+Orca · · Score: 3, Funny

      Am I the only person who doesn't browse by viewing pages' HTML?

  8. Lionsgate by kenp2002 · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Oh great Lionsgate is involved. That means 99.9995% of the content will be crap. .0001% will be decent and .0004% will do nicely in overseas markets when put on DVD.

    A "Polished Turd" will stink up the basket no matter how many flowers you put in the basket with it....

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  9. if you can't subscribe... by roc97007 · · Score: 2, Insightful

    "The main downside of course is if your cable company decides not to plug this service in you will have no way to subscribe."

    So, about half the internet population heaves a sigh and says to themselves, "well, I guess I'll just have to go back to torrenting".

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    1. Re:if you can't subscribe... by roc97007 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I'd like to think that one would stop torrenting the moment a reasonable substitute becomes available at a reasonable price.

      Potential providers have to realize what their competition is. Common codecs that play in many different players on practically every platform. Total lack of DRM (or total DRM transparency). High quality video and sound. A huge, easily searchable library of immediately available content. Seamless integration into your media center.

      What legal services I've seen so far are:

      Movie downloads that cost more than buying the DVD, and can't be backed up to DVD.

      "Online" video with artificially reduced resolution, using proprietary players that only work on one operating system, and do not integrate with any media center package.

      In general, just real piss-poor tries at providing online content, demonstrating an overriding take-it-or-leave-it mindset that's no better than the pay-for-view available for a decade on cable, and in some cases more expensive. Here, this is what we're offering. Deal with it. Is there any surprise that so many people decline?

      The competition (in this case torrenting content encoded with standard, non-DRM-laden codecs) unquestionably has better quality and a better selection and better integration and better functionality. The practice of downloading content illegally doesn't even have to compete on price -- it can compete successfully on every other aspect of home entertainment.

      For instance, it's so bizarre to me that Windows Media Center excels at playing illegal content seamlessly with a conventional remote, (I've seen it work -- download, drop in Movies folder, and it magically shows up in the menu) but when I try to go the legal route, with Netflix video on demand, I have to dink around with a wireless keyboard trying to play the movie in a browser. It's so incredibly inconvenient, I don't know why anyone would bother with it.

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  10. Re:ESPN Now Has this Model... by Chyeld · · Score: 2, Interesting

    How is this any different from AOL, CompuServe, Delphi, our ghosts in the past?

    "Get access to our exclusive content, and internet too!" has been around for a long time and it's never (since there was an option) ever beat out vanilla internet.

    It's hardly likely this to catch on either, and even if it does, it won't be universal by any means. They'll be companies out there willing to work for your buck by selling you 'cut rate connections without all that overhead' just as there will be companies out there telling you they have access to every 'sub-network' out there.