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Wolfram Alpha Rekindles Campus Math Tool Debate

An anonymous reader sends in a story about how Wolfram Alpha is becoming the latest tool students are using to help with their schoolwork, and why some professors are worried it will interfere with the learning process. Quoting: "The goal of WolframAlpha is to bring high-level mathematics to the masses, by letting users type in problems in plain English and delivering instant results. As a result, some professors say the service poses tough questions for their classroom policies. 'I think this is going to reignite a math war,' said Maria H. Andersen, a mathematics instructor at Muskegon Community College, referring to past debates over the role of graphing calculators in math education. 'Given that there are still pockets of instructors and departments in the US where graphing calculators are still not allowed, some instructors will likely react with resistance (i.e. we still don't change anything) or possibly even with the charge that using WA is cheating.'"

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  1. "Pockets of instructors"? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

    Are they protected?

    1. Re:"Pockets of instructors"? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

      Only if they have tenure.

  2. Oh the horror!! by SBrach · · Score: 2, Funny

    How did you play tetris during class?

    1. Re:Oh the horror!! by Thinboy00 · · Score: 2, Funny

      By hand, on graph paper with pen/pencil, with an egg timer, and a d20 (or dN) to pick the next tile.

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  3. Re:I don't see how this matters by sexconker · · Score: 2, Funny

    No, those are the best types of classes, because no one does any work and everyone tanks the exam, making the curve oh so easy.

  4. Oh man by Caboosian · · Score: 5, Funny

    I just don't know if I can deal with all this math-debating.

    1. Re:Oh man by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

      If you need some help dealing with the math-debating, I'm more than willing to lend a helping hand.

  5. Damn you Wolfram! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    Well Wolfram Alpha has been a big buzz kill for me.... My query was "average penis length?".... WA answered: 5.94 inches.

    Now I understand the meaning of "ignorance is a bliss"

  6. Sweet, let's try it out! by l00sr · · Score: 5, Funny

    Let X_n and Y_n be positive integrable and adapted to F_n. Suppose E(X_{n+1}|F_n) \leq X_n + Y_n, with \sum Y_n \lt \infty a.s. Prove that X_n converges a.s. to a finite limit.


    Wolfram|Alpha isn't sure what to do with your input.
    .

    Useless!

    1. Re:Sweet, let's try it out! by selven · · Score: 2, Funny

      Well, at least it knows what the world's population per capita is!

  7. Using the book is cheating! by GWBasic · · Score: 5, Funny

    Using math books is cheating. The only REAL way to learn algebra or calculus is to re-invent it like people did hundreds of years ago!

  8. Re:I don't see how this matters by Chris+Burke · · Score: 4, Funny

    You CS whinies had it easy. For us EEs, the exams came pre-tanked.

    Well in my CE department, we came to the exam pre-tanked!

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  9. Um, Muskegon who? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

    No offense, but is there any particular reason we had to cite such a leading authority as Muskegon Community College? My raccoons say that Google Maps is the instantiation of the all-seeing eye of god and the definitive sign of the judgement day - can we get some front page coverage of that too?

  10. Re:I don't see how this matters by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Funny

    In Soviet Russia, tank exams you!

  11. Re:iirc by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Funny

    What!? Calculus is fruit?

  12. Let me see now by ClosedSource · · Score: 2, Funny

    If Computer Science were about computers they'd call it astronomy. No, that's not right. They'd call it Telescope Science. No, that's not right either. If Computer Science were about computers they'd call it Computer ..Hmm.

  13. Re:Calculator...or electronic book? by wisty · · Score: 2, Funny

    You mean, your students are actually there to learn academic skills? Heretic! They should be learning practical things, like, um, leadership skills. Or networking.

  14. Re:I don't see how this matters by swillden · · Score: 2, Funny

    Ability to solve problems in the limited-time test format.

    Heh. Not really related, but I have fond memories of some "tests" from upper division real analysis and abstract algebra courses during my undergraduate degree. They were open-note, open-book, take-home, with only 6-8 problems and we were given a full week to finish them. Of course, all of the problems began "prove or disprove:" and each one took several hours of hard thinking/playing to grasp the core issues so that you could either write a proof or construct a counterexample.

    I guess they were technically more like assignments which constituted a major part of your grade, but they sure felt like exams, even when I was working on them at home in the bathtub (my favorite place for the part of the thinking process where no paper or pencil is required; after the nature of the problem is thoroughly internalized, but the key structure not yet apparent). My wife remembers those tests, too, mostly me staring blankly into space for hours on end until I finally shouted "Gotcha!" as the last pieces fell into place.

    Wolfram Alpha would not have been the slightest assistance with those tests :-)

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  15. Re:I don't see how this matters by Hognoxious · · Score: 3, Funny

    and had just drunk about 4-6 ounces of desert wines

    I assume they were rather dry?

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