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Herschel Space Telescope Opens For the First Time

davecl writes "The Herschel space telescope, the largest ever launched into space, has opened its instrument cover, allowing its three instruments to observe for the first time. BBC news has the main coverage, while there is more coverage on the SPIRE instrument team website, and on the mission blog. I'm part of the SPIRE instrument team and the excitement as we move towards our first observations is building fast. The PACS and SPIRE instruments will see first light in the next few days."

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  1. space telescope by spidercoz · · Score: 5, Insightful

    In an effort to contribute something to the thread that isn't irrelevant, stupid, or hateful assholery, this is very cool. I'm looking forward to its first images. Maybe it'll be sensitive enough to image extrasolar planets.

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  2. it is not the "largest evel launched into space" by juanergie · · Score: 5, Informative

    The entry should clarify that it is the largest infrared telescope ever launched. Actually, the adjective large should not be used. Space is not porn. To most people.

    It would also be very helpful for the public to know how will Herschel and Hubble complement each-other. Otherwise, the general public may believe that humanity has launched two different things to accomplish the same task.

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  3. Repair? by Tablizer · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I wonder if they designed any of it to be repaired in space, learning from Hubble. (It's not a direct competitor to Hubble because it "sees" in longer wavelengths.)

    I wonder if it would have been cheaper to build *multiple* Hubbles rather than repair them in space, which costs about a half-billion per mission. However, they'd have to decide that path in advanced to take advantage of bulk assembly procedures. Or build them to be remotely serviceable thru a repair-bot? But that's mostly untried technology, which usually means expensive or unpredictable overrun risk.
         

    1. Re:Repair? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Informative

      It's not repairable. It'll orbit around L2 and is placed 1.5 millions km away from earth. We cannot currently send humans at that distance. As for repairbots, I don't know.

    2. Re:Repair? by tnk1 · · Score: 3, Funny

      I agree. We should also have manned missions be one way as well.

      Why pay a few million extra to bring them down again when we have 6 billion cheaply made replacements already available?

      I hear the Chinese are itching to get to the moon, they could use the same plan. They could even pretend that they retrieved the astronaut. All they have to do is threaten to run over anyone who said differently with a tank.

    3. Re:Repair? by Mal-2 · · Score: 5, Informative

      The upside of it being in orbit around L2 is that it never has to face either the earth or the sun, so every second of every day is useful observation time. Hubble is in LEO which makes it accessible, but also shielded by the bulk of the planet almost half of every day for any given target. This is fine for scheduled observations, but not so good for staring at one point or homing in on something in progress. Also, some time is inevitably lost making sure it doesn't stare into something bright as it swings around the planet, which is not an issue at L2.

      Even if it does not live as long as Hubble (and it probably won't if there is no servicing), it has the potential to produce more data per unit of time. Also, with the bigger reflector, exposures should not take as long, also freeing it up to do more science. This also has the nice side effect of reducing the effects of thermal noise and cosmic rays, since they just don't have as much time to do their damage to any given picture.

      Mal-2

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    4. Re:Repair? by FleaPlus · · Score: 3, Interesting

      I wonder if it would have been cheaper to build *multiple* Hubbles rather than repair them in space, which costs about a half-billion per mission.

      The Hubble repair cost was actually well over $1 billion. Even ignoring mass-production, it would have been cheaper to just replace the Hubble instead of repairing it. Let me dig up an old comment of mine from 4 years ago:

      http://science.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=141507&cid=11856177

      An international team led by Johns Hopkins University astronomers have proposed an alternative [spaceref.com] to sending a robotic or manned repair mission to the ailing Hubble Space Telescope [wikipedia.org]. Their proposal is to build a new Hubble Origins Probe [jhu.edu], reusing the Hubble design but using lighter and more cost-effective technologies. The probe would include instruments currently waiting to be installed on Hubble, as well as a Japanese-built imager which 'will allow scientists to map the heavens more than 20 times faster than even a refurbished Hubble Space Telescope could.' It would take an estimated 65 months and $1 billion to build and launch, approximately the same cost as a robotic service mission.

      Here's the official web site, with slideshows and posters explaining the planned scientific instruments:

      http://www.pha.jhu.edu/hop/

  4. Re:it is not the "largest evel launched into space by spidercoz · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Infrared can pass through dust, such as that which composes nebulae, that would block other wavelengths.

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  5. Re:it is not the "largest evel launched into space by Bemopolis · · Score: 5, Informative

    There are several good reasons to concentrate on infrared radiation. A few, off the top of my head, are: the relative transparency of the interstellar medium in the infrared compared to optical and UV; the optical design of infrared telescopes is closer to that of the familiar optical types compared to X-ray and gamma-ray telescopes; the presence of strong emission lines in the infrared from ionization species unavailable in the optical; the fact that UV and optical emission from distant objects is seen in the infrared due to their high redshifts; and that the thermal emission of circumstellar dust peaks in the infrared. Similar lists exist for the other bandpasses, but screw them :)

    Good reasons for placing infrared telescopes into space include the high opacity of the Earth's atmosphere in the infrared, the high thermal emissivity of the Earth and atmosphere in the infrared, and the low temperatures at which the detectors need to be kept.

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  6. Re:it is not the "largest evel launched into space by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Why do they make Hubble and Herschel sensitive to infrared light? I would think it most important to pick a spectrum that will provide the best information...

    Exactly. What spectrum you pick depends on what information you want to get.

    Infrared is good for a lot of things. Dust clouds are mostly transparent to infrared, for example, so the infrared is good if you want to look, say, at the nuclei of galaxies (such as our own galaxy) which are surrounded by dust. And if you want to look at galaxies at high redshifts, which is to say, far away (and hence far back in time), infrared is good because the light is shifted into the infrared. Infrared is good at looking for planets, since they emit in the thermal infrared. And many other things.

    But if you want to look at gamma-ray bursts from supernovae, no, probably infrared isn't the right way to look. You might want to try the Fermi telescope instead.

  7. Re:it is not the "largest evel launched into space by Tablizer · · Score: 5, Informative

    Why do they make Hubble and Herschel sensitive to infrared light? I would think it most important to pick a spectrum that will provide the best information (i.e. instruments should be sentitive to gamma rays if you are looking for gamma ray bursts from supernovae); if that is their criteria, how does infrared help them see what they are looking for?

    There is no one "right" spectrum frequency. They each offer different information; different clues. For example, an animal that can see 3 colors has more potential information than an animal that can only see 1 or 2.

    And while Hubble and Herschel may be able to overlap somewhat, they are specialized (optimized) for different frequencies. It's difficult to make a single scope that can see every frequency well, so they send up different scopes for different spectrum ranges. Different materials make for better reflectors, conduits, and sensors for different frequencies. That's just life on the Spectrum Highway.

    Think how AM radios need a long wire (coiled in practice) for an antenna. FM radios and traditional TV need about a meter-long antenna(s), and cell-phones have about a 3-inch antenna. No single antenna works best for all. Same with light-based scopes.
           

  8. Re:it is not the "largest evel launched into space by vlm · · Score: 4, Insightful

    The atmosphere is a lovely IR absorber. So, if you're gonna launch a telescope into space, why not look at a band of frequencies you can't see thru the atmosphere? Whatever you see, it'll be something you can't see from the ground (more or less).

    So that works pretty well, if the criteria is to see whats never been seen before, discover new things, etc.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Infrared_astronomy

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  9. Re:Congrats to ESA and all involved! by Tablizer · · Score: 3, Interesting

    I was really bummed when the Beagle rover went MIA years ago... so good for ESA, this is a great accomplishment!

    It was a static lander, not a rover. And it likely failed because they tried to do it on the cheap. Based on NASA's expenditure-versus-failure history, the amount they spent on it would result in very roughly a 70% chance of failure using the NASA scale. They got what they paid for, I hate to say. They should have scaled it down in my opinion. They got a little carried away with the features, having a small budget. They could have had both more funds and margin for landing reliability if they cut back on weight and instrument-related cost.
             

  10. Re:How far out is 1.5 million miles? by superluminique · · Score: 5, Informative

    Hubble and Herschel's orbits are not even comparable to each other.

    As pointed out earlier in a separated thread, Hubble is in a low, circular orbit about 560 km above the Earth. It has has a low inclination -- about 28 degrees with respect to the equator. You can actually see the orbital details and where it is in the sky on Heavens Above. The low Earth orbit was chosen so that the space shuttles could service it as they can't reach very far orbits basically due to limitation i how much fuel they can carry (bear in mind that at launch the shuttle engines are powered by the huge orange tank attached to it). It would have to be double checked but I think that the low orbital inclination was decided because it's was easier to launch -- Hubble is one of the most massive payloads ever carried by a space shuttle -- since you benefit from the fact that the Earth rotates so it effectively adds up to your velocity whereas for a polar orbit the contribution is basically null.

    On the other hand, Herschel is orbiting 1.5 million km away from the Earth at the L2 point, in a direction opposite to the Sun -- the Sun - Earth - Herschel system forms a straight line. To give you an idea of the scale, the Earth-Moon distance is about 385 000 km so Herschel is located 3.9 times further. Therefore it's easy to understand why the mission is a one-hit wonder because there is no way someone is gonna go there fix it. To be more precise, Herschel is actually "orbiting" about the L2 point (see this diagram on Wikipedia) otherwise its orbit around the Sun-Earth-Moon system would be too unstable. The main reason for sending Herschel so far away from Earth is to optimize its infrared performances. Herschel observe at very long infrared wavelengths compared to, say, the the infrared camera of Hubble and near the Earth, even though you are in space, there is still a lot of thermal radiation coming from the Earth as well as the radiation belts that add up on top of what you want to detect. By being further away, passive cooling helps you and the liquid helium that keeps you cryostat cold heats up slower so your instrument has a longer life time. Also, "temperature" fluctuations are much smaller out there whereas they can be quite large near the Earth depending if your in the Earth shadow, crossing a radiation belt, etc. More stable environment means smaller systematics, which, in turns, imply better telescope sensitivity.

    Finally, note that Hubble's successor, JWST will also hang out around L2 for similar reasons.

  11. Re:Outgassing... by criptic08 · · Score: 4, Informative

    NASA uses a variety of explosive bolts.
    Manganese/barium chromate/lead chromate: time delay mix, used for sequencing. Gasless burning.
    Zirconium/potassium perchlorate: NASA standard initiator (NSI). Rapid pressure rise, little gas but emits hot particles, thermally stable, vacuum stable, long shelf life. Sensitive to static electricity.