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Buckyballs Polymerized Into Buckywires

KentuckyFC writes "Scientists have found a way to join buckyballs together so that they form buckywires. The wires form when buckyballs are dissolved in an aromatic hydrocarbon called 1,2,4-trimethylbenzene. The solvent links the balls together to make wires shaped like a string of pearls, which then precipitate out. This relatively simple procedure opens the door to industrial-scale manufacture. Buckywires ought to be efficient light harvesters because of their great surface area and the way they can conduct photon-liberated electrons. But perhaps the area of greatest interest is drug delivery. The researchers suggest that buckywires ought to be safer than carbon nanotubes because the production method is entirely metal-free. This contrasts with the production of nanotubes, which are formed in a reaction catalyzed by metallic nanoparticles."

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  1. balls, my ass by monkeyboythom · · Score: 2, Informative

    The wires form when buckyballs are dissolved in an aromatic hydrocarbon called 1,2,4-trimethylbenzene.

    Aromatic hydrocarbon, my ass. Those damn kids have been into my Scotch again.

    1. Re:balls, my ass by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

      AHHHH, you said "a$$" and d@mn! Bad word!!!! Bad word!!!! Bad word!!!! Where's the word filter here?!? I though this was supposed to be a family-friendly site?!?!? You should be ashamed, mother fucker

  2. Effect on computing by abshack · · Score: 2, Interesting

    How does this effect computing, I wonder. I've heard that buckyballs have some interesting electrical properties (in passing conversation so I can't recall what they are). Could someone elaborate on how "buckystrings" could be used for electrical applications?

    1. Re:Effect on computing by greyline · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Welcome to Slashdot, you must be new here!

  3. Great by kenp2002 · · Score: 3, Funny

    So can I get some cheap fishing line that doesn't break now?

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    1. Re:Great by Eudial · · Score: 3, Funny

      So can I get some cheap fishing line that doesn't break now?

      It'll still tangle into a bucky-knot the moment it leaves your eyesight.

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    2. Re:Great by Red+Flayer · · Score: 2, Funny

      So can I get some cheap fishing line that doesn't break now?

      Yes. Yes you can.

      2 cm diameter nylon rope will rarely break under normal fishing use.

      What... you wanted to be able to *catch* something with it?

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  4. Bucky Balls create Pearl Necklace by Jah-Wren+Ryel · · Score: 5, Funny

    "Bucky Balls create Pearl Necklace"

    Who would have guessed?

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    1. Re:Bucky Balls create Pearl Necklace by Amazing+Quantum+Man · · Score: 2, Funny

      Was ZZ Top involved in this research?

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  5. Applications? by arizwebfoot · · Score: 3, Interesting

    If threads are created and those threads are woven into a fabric, then what kind of ballistic applications could we expect? Could panels be made from strands of buckysballs and into new car skins? Aircraft?

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    1. Re:Applications? by The+Mysterious+Dr.+X · · Score: 2, Informative

      Probably depends on the tensile properties. From what I gather, nanotubes and buckywires could have different characteristics there, since they don't really share the same structure. Without knowing any details, I wonder if the difference would make them more elastic... That would have a mix of effects on ballistics, I suppose.

    2. Re:Applications? by Saysys · · Score: 5, Informative

      From: (PDF warning) http://www.davis-floyd.com/USERIMAGES/File/Bucky%20balls%20Fullereness%20and%20the%20future.pdf

      being the strong, macroscopic person that you are, you get a hold of this, and you stretch it and stretch it and stretch it, and before it breaks you can stretch it to 20 or 30 percent longer than it was to begin with. The tensile strength is very high.

      The indication is that when it finally does break, it doesn't break brittly but pulls out a little chain of carbon atoms the break is a plastic failure, not a brittle failure. One thing that we do know from actual tubes that have been made and distorted, is that you can take this tube and you can bend it. You can bend it so much that it buckles like a soda straw and then when you let go, it just snaps right back it does not break.

      So, any tube, like the soda straw, as you begin to bend it, the material of the soda straw at the top of the bend has to stretch and underneath, on the inside of the bend, so that the bending stiffness of it depends on just how hard it is to stretch that material and this is the hardest material in the universe to stretch, so the stiffness of this little nanotube will be higher than any other object you can build out of the tinker toy set, forever and anon.

    3. Re:Applications? by TheHawke · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Clothlike photovolatics. You'd be quite literally wearing a patch of solar cells on your jacket, powering your appliances. Self-charging power cells, when it runs low, it'll tell you through audibles or a simple electroluminescent indicator. Just set it outside and it'll happily charge itself.

      New processes for PV's to be built. Self-charging billboards using LED's or other low voltage lighting, eliminating high powered spots that pollute the night sky. I don't know how they would stand up to the rigors of space travel, but I'll bet they'll come up with something, perhaps laminating BB PV's in Lexan or a similiar transparent material.

      Maybe a paint using them, making once again, self powered equipment, or hybrid wind generators that keep generating power even when the wind is calm!

      How are they at being a wearing face? New generations of bearing materials that have an even lower friction coefficient than the current materials.

      Also, new formulations for fuel using polymer chains of BB's maybe in order, making it an excellent replacement for sulfur as a lubricating additive.

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    4. Re:Applications? by MidnightBrewer · · Score: 2

      So nanotubes still win in the area of tensile strength, i.e. space elevator construction?

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  6. metal free...? by ByOhTek · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Metal free production is nice, but in the end, it's not just what is used in production, but how you take out the undesirable things.

    Benzene and many derivatives, are just as toxic (if not more so) than a lot of metals.

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    1. Re:metal free...? by Hurricane78 · · Score: 2, Interesting

      You mean apart from the nano-scale bucky balls and particles of them themselves?

      I don't think anyone has (or could) ever really test(ed) the effects of that stuff on your body and genetics.
      In the end, we will do what we always do. We will try it out on the people. And if it fails, someone will continue... Monsanto style.

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    2. Re:metal free...? by vlm · · Score: 3, Informative

      Benzene boiling point 80 degrees C at STP

      Iron boiling point 2860 degrees C at STP

      It would seem much easier to vacuum distill benzene out of the buckywire product than iron, because of the difference in boiling points. If 80 degrees C is still too hot for buckywires, then vacuum distillation will work at a lower temperature. So the technology to separate the good from the bad is much easier with the benzene process so it'll probably be done better.

      Benzene traps are simple cheap and easy to use (well, relatively anyway), whereas nanoparticle "traps" are basically expensive filters that may or may not work and or be maintained, so just blowing filtered N2 thru the product and cleaning the contaminated N2 stream would probably work pretty well. Recycling benzene is simple, but I think all you can do with nanoparticles is bury them or maybe dissolve the whole filter in a super strong acid. So, trapping / recycling bad stuff using the benzene process is much simpler and easier to do, so it'll probably be done better.

      Finally monitoring benzene levels (to verify your containment is working, detect when it fails) is pretty trivial, but monitoring nanoparticle contamination levels is pretty much a mystery or at least not standardized. And when you have a spill, the fire department and EPA know exactly what to do with spilled benzene but would be mystified by nanoparticles. So, when the bad stuff inevitably gets released into the environment, "we" know exactly how to handle the benzene process, but not the nanoparticle process.

      Making eco-judgements about a chemistry topic, when all you can base it on is sloganeering like benzene is bad, is not going to result in useful judgments.

      Benzene and many derivatives, are just as toxic (if not more so) than a lot of metals.

      That's about as vague of a "statement" as can be made, but if you really believe it is true, we can set up a little wager and I'll wash my hands in a bucket of pure benzene if you'll agree to wash your hands or any other appendage with a mercury organometallic and we'll see who ends up healthier. Or if you don't like mercury organometallics, I'll let you chose any soluble lead compound. Or, how about a tasty ionic Uranium compound?

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    3. Re:metal free...? by darrylo · · Score: 2, Informative

      Apparently, buckyballs can be toxic: http://nanotechweb.org/cws/article/tech/20355

  7. Again with the journalist hype... by toppavak · · Score: 4, Insightful

    This relatively simple procedure opens the door to industrial-scale manufacture

    No, it doesn't. There's no specificity, you can't control the polymerization to the extent needed to build something useful at the nanoscale, the wires are precipitating out of solution because they're attracted to themselves and each other more strongly than they're attracted to the solvent, that's a problem because you have no way of actually building anything with them. That's why people have been doing this sort of things with metal colloids for over a decade and there's been no "industrial-scale" use for them discovered in anything but colloidal form because you're basically just creating fancy-shaped aggregates. Until there's a technology available that will selectively aggregate nanoscale materials into arbitrary shapes (rather than a bunch of copies of the same repeating structure in solution) in a manner where certain shapes and functional units can be fixed to where they need to be on a chip or in a machine there isn't going to be a use.

    Interesting chemistry, but to imagine that nanotech has any applications that require more synthetic control than bulk colloids or coatings within the next decade (or 5) is pure hype.

  8. Doesn't this stuff have to be high quality? by Mitchell314 · · Score: 2, Insightful

    IIRC, chains of carbon nanotubes, graphene, buckyballs, and co. are prone to nasty weaknesses do to easily induced flaws in structures. So even if we could make a lot of this stuff, would it even be useful with these methods?

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  9. I think you are jumping beyond the article by DaveV1.0 · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I believe the item you quoted refers to industrial-scale manufacture of the buckywires themselves.

    While a number of possible applications are mentioned, none are anything more than speculation and neither of the two named (photovoltaics and drug-delivery) require the specificity you mention.

    One only needs to be able to "selectively aggregate nanoscale materials into arbitrary shapes" if one is making a complex nano-scale object. That is not what is mentioned in this article nor is it even implied.

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  10. Re:Bucky whatchamacallit by Tweenk · · Score: 3, Informative

    Maybe because "buckyballs" is a "pop sci" term and you look funny using it. They are more often called fullerenes.
    Example of use: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rhondite

    Fullerenes have little current practical use (they are rather expensive) but a lot of interesting potential uses, because you can trap things inside them: a lot of exotic materials can be made with them. There is even a purely organic compund (a mixed crystal of fullerene and a small organic compound) which exhibits ferromagnetic properties.

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  11. NOT related to nanotubes by Wdi · · Score: 4, Informative

    According to the image in the article, the individual buckyballs are linked by SP3 carbons (@-CH2-Phi-CH2-@) from the solvent. This means, there is no pi electron system, and therefore no electrical connectivity, between the buckyball entities. The physical characteristics of this material are vastly different from nanotubes, which are a single extended pi system. I highly doubt that this stuff can be a replacement for any application which requires long-distance electron flow, such as light harvesting, microelectronics, etc.

  12. Re:Why Bucky-wires and not Bucky-snot? by MagusSlurpy · · Score: 3, Informative

    The bonding is controlled by both the thermodynamics of the multi-bonded fullerenes, as well as the kinetics involved in multiple crosslinkings, forcing fullerenes next to each other. If you read the actual article, the evidence suggests that the fullerenes are slowly polymerizing, and crosslinking - an NMR spectrum after several months implies that it actually is one, big, horrible mess (or not fullerenes anymore, depending on how skeptical you are of this).

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