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Mystery of the Missing Sunspots, Solved?

PRB_Ohio writes "The sun is in the middle of a century long solar minimum, and sunspots have been puzzlingly scarce for more than two years. Now, for the first time, solar physicists might understand why. The gist is that there is a 'jet stream' like phenomenon about 7,000km below the surface of the sun. The streams migrate slowly from the poles to the equator and when a jet stream reaches the critical latitude of 22 degrees, new-cycle sunspots begin to appear. Scientists at the National Solar Observatory (NSO) in Tucson, Arizona, used a technique called helioseismology to track and analyze the streams."

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  1. Puberty by CosmicRabbit · · Score: 5, Funny

    My theory is way simpler. The Sun simply got out of puberty, and obviously acne started to disappear...

  2. Obligatory.. by feepness · · Score: 4, Funny

    So I guess this is what happens when you cross the streams...

  3. Sunspot cycle by Psychotic_Wrath · · Score: 5, Informative

    Here is a neat article explaining more about sunspots http://science.nasa.gov/headlines/y2009/01apr_deepsolarminimum.htm?list56376/ It talks about the cycle in sunspots.

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  4. It's sort of refreshing... by ockegheim · · Score: 4, Interesting

    ... that at least some climate activity isn't and can't be affected by humans.

    I'm hoping the missing sunspots has contributed to the extended drought in Australia. "The driest *insert month or time period* on record" is getting tiresome.

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    1. Re:It's sort of refreshing... by riverat1 · · Score: 5, Funny

      I heard on the news today that the Australian Weather Service decided to stop calling it a drought because using the word drought implies it will end at some point and they don't see this ending anytime soon.

    2. Re:It's sort of refreshing... by Bigjeff5 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      What everybody fails to mention about Climate, is that 99% of it is caused by the Sun. Earth's spin gets the last 1%, which lets the sun do cooler stuff with wind than it could without it.

      We actually have a miniscule affect on climate. The only bad part is it may not take much at all to kill us.

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    3. Re:It's sort of refreshing... by NickFortune · · Score: 3, Interesting

      What everybody fails to mention about Climate, is that 99% of it is caused by the Sun

      That's an interesting way of looking at it.

      Of course, you should also consider that Earth's biosphere is essentially a planet sized solar collector. Plants trap the sunlight and store it as high energy compounds. Then animals come along ad turn the plants' trapped energy into more concentrated forms, like fats. Even when the organism dies, the stored energy remains. Eventually, if given long enough it turns into fossil fuels. Six hundred million years of dinosaur blubber gave us our oil reserves. Lord knows how many years of dead trees went to make our coal.

      We actually have a miniscule affect on climate

      Well, that all depends on what we do, doesn't it? I mean, if we built a giant magnifying glass in space so Earth got five times more solar radiation, that would have an effect. If we launched solar reflectors into orbit so 50% of the sunlight falling on the planet was reflected away, that would have an effect too. Granted, it would be the Sun causing the effect. But it would also be us, yeah?

      And to my way of thinking, if we take 600 million years of trapped solar radiation and release most of it over a paltry couple of centuries ... well, I reckon that would have an effect too.

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  5. Old news by cdn-programmer · · Score: 4, Interesting

    This is old news. Its been known for a few years now that the solar conveyor belt has slowed. The question is how long solar activity will remain weak.

    During the Maunder minimum it remained weak from about 1645 to 1710. Other minimums also occurred over a fairly long duration. During these minimums the earth tends to be quite cold. Read the wikipedia article on the maunder minimum and related minimums.

    Thing is we may face many decades of reduced agricultural output at a time when we have many mouths to feed.

    Its too early to tell yet, but cycle #24 is over 2 years late and cycle #25 is expected to be weak as well. So we could be looking at 22+ years of cold cold weather.

    1. Re:Old news by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

      Its too early to tell yet, but cycle #24 is over 2 years late...

      We're pregnant, aren't we.

    2. Re:Old news by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

      What the hell will Al Gore do?

      Well maybe you missed the memo, but the problem is not "Global Warming" anymore, it's "Climate Change".

      Since the climate is always changing, Al's job is safe.

    3. Re:Old news by camperdave · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Thing is we may face many decades of reduced agricultural output at a time when we have many mouths to feed.

      No worries though. In the time it takes for the population to triple, our agricultural output quadruples. The problem is, and always has been, distribution.

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  6. Wrong Logo Attached to Article by sk999 · · Score: 4, Informative

    NASA's logo is attached to the article, but the National Solar Observatory is funded by the National Science Foundation. Different agency entirely. http://www.nso.edu/

  7. Ah, solar puberty . . . by StefanJ · · Score: 5, Funny

    So those coronal mass ejections we hear about were the Sun exploring . . . mmmnnnn never mind, I won't go there.

    1. Re:Ah, solar puberty . . . by hezekiah957 · · Score: 4, Funny

      Boy, I wish there was a "-1, Disgusting" (or +1) mod.

  8. I have sunspots... by Penguinshit · · Score: 3, Funny

    ... I call them freckles. If a sunspot moves or grows the dermatologist deals with it.

  9. HF Radio by FudRucker · · Score: 4, Informative

    i know the upper part of the HF spectrum has been acting like the next solar cycle has already started, the DX/Skip has been incredibly good and dependable and any HF enthusiast knows that by now if they have a HF rig handy.

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  10. The Economy by Fished · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Of course, the fact that we have the worst global recession in 70 years at the same time as a low in sunspot activity is Entirely Coincidental. Seriously, I haven't studied this in depth, so I don't really know, but it sure seems suspicious, and it's certainly been proposed in the past that the sunspot cycle affected the economy.

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  11. Oh, shoot! by reboot246 · · Score: 4, Funny

    And all this time I thought the lack of sunspots was caused by global warming.

    Back to the drawing board. :)

    1. Re:Oh, shoot! by fractoid · · Score: 4, Funny

      There are no pirates on the sun. That's why the surface of the sun is so hot. In retrospect, it's obvious, isn't it?

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    2. Re:Oh, shoot! by thhamm · · Score: 4, Funny

      I thought the lack of sunspots was caused by global warming

      what is this, soviet russia?!

  12. Re:"century-class solar minimum" by fractoid · · Score: 4, Informative

    Well, unless these guys are wrong (or lying, paid for by big oil and coal of course!), our carbon emissions are heating Mars and Jupiter...

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  13. Not old news ... by oneiros27 · · Score: 4, Informative

    This week is the annual meeting of the American Astronomical Society's Solar Physics Division, which explains the timing of the press release.

    There have been a number of talks regarding the long solar minimum, and although I've been avoiding most of the oral sessions, there was one by Frank Hill (another NSO person) yesterday showing that um ... okay, I can't remember what the axii on the graphs were, but that the general activity below the 'surface' of the sun was showing a more gradual ramp up than the last solar minimum, but we're roughly at the same level of activity as when we started cycle 23.

    (disclaimer -- I'm not a solar physicist, but I am an affiliate SPD member ... I'd link to the abstract, but the system won't give me a useful URL)

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  14. Re:"century-class solar minimum" by Hellsbells · · Score: 5, Insightful

    It seems that our carbon emissions are also cooling Venus and Uranus.

    Or it could be that these planets temperatures are changing independently of both the Sun and our carbon emissions?

    There's nothing like some cherry picked data to prove a point.

  15. Re:"century-class solar minimum" by Hellsbells · · Score: 3, Informative

    NASA knows about the 11 year solar cycle, and attributes 2008 being the coolest year since 2000 to this and the La Nina cycle:

    http://earthobservatory.nasa.gov/IOTD/view.php?id=36699

    2008 was still the 10th warmest year on record, 2007 the second warmest. Even discounting the varying solar activity, there is still a strong underlying warming trend, and it's a big worry that the temperatures around the poles have increased so much.

  16. Re:"century-class solar minimum" by Profane+MuthaFucka · · Score: 4, Interesting

    The 11 year cycle is superimposed on another signal, with a lower frequency, whose amplitude is currently increasing. That's the one that smart people are worried about.

    The people who look at the 11 year cycle are simply examining the wrong component of a compound waveform and declaring victory. They are wrong.

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