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English Market Produces Energy With Kinetic Plates
Johnathan Martinez writes "Sainsbury's market in England has installed 'kinetic energy' plates in the parking lot of its store in Gloucester. The plates are an experiment with a newer energy producing technology. The plates create as much as 30 kWh of energy as cars drive over them. The weight of the cars puts pressure on the plates creating kinetic energy to run a generator. The current is used to power the store and will lower the energy consumption of the market."
This is just an gas powered electric generator, the likes of which rube goldberg would be proud of. You'd be better off siphoning a thimble of fuel from each car, selling it, and using the proceeds to buy electricity from the utility.
...I could put these in my driveway, use it to charge the car and never have to buy energy again!
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is that energy extracted from the cars? then is not magically created, but just a inefficient way to suck energy from other people use of oil.
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Sigh.
Ok, that's like saying you increase your fuel mileage by driving down hill. What you are failing to take into account is that all your gains have been lost when it comes time to drive back up it! It's the same idea with these plates, but on a much much smaller scale.
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of the anecdote about Franklin and his entrance door. When a friend complained about how difficult was to push that door, Franklin explained that the door was connected to a ground pump and every time someone opened the door, 2 gallons of water were extracted as well...
England market produces green energy ... Sainsburyâ(TM)s market of England has installed âkinetic energyâ(TM) plates in the parking lot of itâ(TM)s store in Gloucester.
What atrocious writing. Sainsbury's is a supermarket.
As many other commented, the energy comes off course from the petrol engine of the cars. 1. The efficiency of this system from petrol to electricity must be really low 2. It creates pollution right where you don't want it, in the city: Exhaust fumes plus tire wear
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It's not leeching. The cars are slowed down at the point at which the cars should be slowing down anyway - they're coming into the car park. The 'kinetic energy' device helps where the vehicle's brakes would normally be doing all the work. Bin the TFA, see this insightful article from yesterday's Guardian.
Wait, so the plate drops down and it makes some power, how does your car get out of the now slight pot-hole? Why it has to drive forward, which (considering you are driveing up a very brief and very small hill) uses a tiny amount more fuel.
There is never, and WILL never be a free ride, all power comes from somewhere.
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TFA calls it a "green energy project". The type of people who think this is green energy are the complete f-ing morons that side track the rest of us from real viable energy advancements.
Further more, the TFA claims this will "lower the energy consumption of the market". At the inefficiency of this (which is already limited to being no more efficient than a car is itself), it will actually increase the energy consumption of the market.
The whores get mad when the sluts give it away for free.
rationalized leeching is still leeching. Perhaps you own a hybrid with regenerative brakes?
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Technically, you're right. Practically, cars waste such vast amounts of energy that the energy drain for this thing (about equivalent to driving over a small bump) probably couldn't even be measured.
People don't understand just how much energy cars use, because car engines are typically measured in horsepower rather than in kilowatts. But it's the same quantity --- they're dimensionally equivalent. It's instructive to play with Google's units converter a bit: the Tata Nano, the world's cheapest car, has a crappy little engine producing 33 horsepower. That's 25 kilowatts, which is slightly more than the entire electrical supply to my house. A typical racecar produces about 400 kilowatts. A medium model wind turbine (with a 50m tower) produces about 600 kilowatts.
Except they wouldn't have since energy has to come from somewhere and car's don't magically use it for no purpose. The energy they're using comes from raising the car's height (ie: potential energy due to gravity) to the height of the plate. Without the plate that energy would not have been used period as there'd have been no need to raise the car's height.
Had there been a natural downward slope present (say it was a speed bump, small hill, etc.) then the energy would have been partially reclaimed and converted into kinetic energy for the car. In other words going downhill makes the car go faster and that energy came from when the car had to go up the hill.
For those who are rightly saying this energy isn't free...
If the plates are positioned at the bottom of a downhill exit ramp, they will aid drivers braking, prividing kinetic energy without "stealing" drivers fuel. Somehow, I doubt this is where they will be positioned though
(Incidentally... a similar idea was to build tram / light-rail stations on the top of small hills. Thus gravity assists the train in braking and accelerating away from teh station)
Oh and Sainsburys is a British Supermarket, not an English Market..... Big difference !
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Probably 2/3 of the comments so far seem to think this is some kind of perpetual motion machine con. Those people should be embarrassed.
It's not. It's simple. It's just slowing cars by converting kinetic energy into electrical, instead of dissipating it as heat in the brakes or converting it to potential energy like a speed bump.
There was a discussion a while back, I think here on Slashdot, about a device that used a revolving door to generate energy. It prompted exactly the same comments. What these people didn't seem to realize is, revolving doors have brakes, and that device replaces the brakes. Same damn thing.
Do you really think the engineers who designed this device didn't think it through? This reminds me why it's never a good idea to discuss physics on Slashdot. I leave it to psychologists to explain why there are so many kneejerk contrarians.
-Get to the top of the parking garage.
-Worker attaches giant bungee cord with peizoelectric transducers to rear bumper.
-Drive off edge.
-Bungee stops car just before ground, bungee cord stretches, peizoelectric transducer produces jolt of electricity.
-Driver gets charged for fun ride, car park gets some kilowatts.
-Profit.
Faster! Faster! Faster would be better!
I once measured my cars efficiency (an old Renault 5).
I drove 100 kph (28m/s) on a flat freeway, with no wind, and set the gears in neutral. It took the car about 30 seconds to slow down to 90kph (25m/s). The car weighs about 900kg.
So we have E0=0.5*m*v*v = 353kJ and E1=281kJ. The car lost 717kJ in 30 seconds or 2.4kW
So it takes just 2.4kW to keep a small car cruising at 100kph on a freeway. The stated gas consumption of that car is about 1 liter/18 km at 90 kph so 1.3 ml/second of gasoline. Gasoline has ca 32MJ/l energy content, so 1.3ml/s is equivalent to 44kW.
The system efficiency of a car cruising on a flat freeway is about 5%!
Do the experiment yourself and see what numbers you come up with. It's also a really good highschool experiment.
No. But afterwards, if you didn't give the engine any gas during the process, it would be moving slower. As lots of people have tried to point out, this might be desirable (see speed bumps). If the driver is just going to accelerate back to speed however, you have gained nothing.