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UK Tax Breaks For "Culturally British" Games

An anonymous reader writes with news of a proposal in the recent Digital Britain report to set up tax breaks for developing video games that are "culturally British." Quoting the report (PDF): "In film a system of cultural tax credits has long helped to sustain a wide range of films that speak to a British narrative, rather than the cultural perspectives of Hollywood or multinational collaborations. Other countries such as Canada, for similar reasons, extend the model of cultural tax relief beyond the film industry to the interactive and online worlds. CGI, electronic games and simulation also have a significant role in Britain's digital content ecology and in our international competitiveness. Each of these has the same capability as the more traditional sectors, such as film, to engage us and reflect our cultural particularism. They may in future have a cultural relevance to rival that of film." Conservative Shadow Arts and Culture Minister Ed Vaizey said the government has ignored the games industry, and he seeks to set up a government council to promote it. The report also outlined a number of changes to how games are rated.

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  1. New requirement: by b00fhead · · Score: 5, Funny

    To qualify, games must be written in Python.

    1. Re:New requirement: by Opportunist · · Score: 4, Funny

      By a guy named Monty.

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    2. Re:New requirement: by Capsaicin · · Score: 3, Funny

      To qualify, games must be written in Python.

      Yup a language invented by Dutch guy living in the US, can't get much more British than that can we? ;) Yes, yes I know, Monty and all that, but I would still prefer the games should to be written in BCPL

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    3. Re:New requirement: by xaxa · · Score: 2, Funny

      To qualify, games must be written in Python.

      Yup a language invented by Dutch guy living in the US, can't get much more British than that can we? ;)

      ARM assembler should be OK though :-)

    4. Re:New requirement: by TheP4st · · Score: 3, Funny

      And if it is called '1984 The Game' your earn additional tax cuts.

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    5. Re:New requirement: by paeanblack · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Yup a language invented by Dutch guy living in the US, can't get much more British than that can we?

      Being British is about driving in a German car to an Irish pub for A Belgian beer, then traveling home, grabbing an Indian curry or a Turkish kebab on the way, to sit on Swedish furniture and watch American shows on a Japanese TV.

      And the most British thing of all? Suspicion of anything foreign.

  2. New for Ninteno Wii by Tokerat · · Score: 4, Funny

    Tea & Crumpets: The Game!

    Coming soon: Dodging Dentists 2

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    1. Re:New for Ninteno Wii by Stormx2 · · Score: 5, Funny

      Call of Duty: Dad's Army
      World of Needlecraft
      Personal Space Invaders
      Need For Tweed: Underground
      Super Mario Milk Float
      Battersea Nintendogs Home
      Tom Clancy's Toast and Tea Recon

    2. Re:New for Ninteno Wii by AHuxley · · Score: 3, Funny

      Call of Duty: Dad's Army, would work well. Small arms vs German landing craft and wave after wave of crack troops.
      Private Joe Walker with his pockets full, Frank Pike with his scarf of death and a hidden level with Mrs. Mavis Pike ;)

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    3. Re:New for Ninteno Wii by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Funny

      Super Marios Soccer Brawl
      GTA: Chavs vs. Wankers

    4. Re:New for Ninteno Wii by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

      Lets not forget the upcoming "hot tea mod" for GTA IV

  3. Spot o' tea, guvnah? by fractoid · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I think it's interesting that the tax breaks are for games with a British cultural setting, rather than simply being for British game development companies. I'm sure that a predominantly British development team will by its very nature develop games with a bit of a British bent to them.

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    1. Re:Spot o' tea, guvnah? by master5o1 · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Hopefully British style humour would come under 'culturally British'

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  4. Coming soon for the Wii... by s0litaire · · Score: 5, Funny
    "Wii British" series of games including:

    Pub Brawl

    Use you Wii-remote as either a beer glass or chair and attack as many fellow pub drinkers, as possible...

    Or

    Soccer riots:

    The worlds first multiplayer FPR (First person rioting) game....

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    1. Re:Coming soon for the Wii... by CmdrGravy · · Score: 2, Informative

      Soccer riots ???

      I think you'll find you meant to say "Football"

    2. Re:Coming soon for the Wii... by Godwin+O'Hitler · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Of course we have Soccer in Britain. It's a British word FFS.
      When I was a kid, all the comics wrote about Soccer, not Football, and that was before most of America knew what it was.
      Now just because the yanks have adopted the word it's considered unbritish. Crazy.

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    3. Re:Coming soon for the Wii... by One+Monkey · · Score: 2, Informative

      "Football" as a term derives from the fact that the game was played on foot, as opposed to from the back of a horse.

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    4. Re:Coming soon for the Wii... by Richard_at_work · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Another thing worth noting is that the RFU (Rugby Football Union) were considering increasing the size of the glass used to hold beer at a Rugby match to two pints, so spectators didn't have to visit the bar as often during the match. Meanwhile, selling alcohol at any Football match in the UK is illegal. Nicely deliniates the two sports, doesn't it :)

  5. Re:what's defined as culturally british? by Opportunist · · Score: 2, Informative

    Nah, too obscure. Not so many people know history these days and they'd mistake it for the ongoing policy of the US. It has to be something genuinely British.

    Like, say, Cooking Mama: British Edition. The worse it tastes the higher your score.

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  6. Hmmmm.... by Opportunist · · Score: 2, Interesting

    So making a map for a FPS where you trash the London subways instead of some other town's might qualify? Just curious...

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    1. Re:Hmmmm.... by Xest · · Score: 3, Insightful

      I don't think that's far from the truth.

      What people seem to be missing is that so many games out there right now are full of American culture, to the point they perhaps don't even realise it.

      A culturally British game may simply be a game like any other where you drive on the left hand side of the road and road signs are British, where accents are British, where things are spelt in a British way, where food is British (fish and chips!), where vehicles are those commonly driven in Britain, where you get chased by the met, SO19 or SOCA rather than the cops, SWAT or the FBI.

      This would differ from many current games where vehicles are often American, accents are American, food is American, laws are American and so on.

      People seem to be spinning this as some kind of racist point of view but quite the opposite, what they seem to be trying to do is bring more diversity to gaming and I don't think it's just the British that should do this. I actually like the idea of playing a game that's themed in a different way than the most common American style. In games where they have been themed in a different part of the world I have actually learnt something about those cultures in the process of playing through - even if it's just learning the name of a new type of food that's used as a health pickup in said game.

      Adding a bit of cultural diversity might actually allow kids playing these games to learn that there are other cultures out there than just the ones defined by game developers as the FBI chasing, burger eating games we have now that are often used by game developers to portray the American setting we're commonly handed.

      I can't help but think it might be quite fun to race round the streets of downtown bombay or whatever with a completely different style of everything from clothing to accents rather than driving round Manhattan etc. all the time. There is nothing wrong with your usual American stylised games, they in themselves are good - but a bit of a change wouldn't hurt now and again.

  7. Xenophobia by mqduck · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I may well get modded to hell for this, but...

    With xenophobic/nationalist ways of looking at society like this - that $YOUR_NATIONAL_IDENTITY is under attack, threatened of being diluted into oblivion - being mainstream, it's a lot easier to understand how the rhetoric of the fascist British National Party - and its analogues elsewhere in Europe - could have appealed to so many voters in recent elections.

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    1. Re:Xenophobia by Inda · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I wish you hadn't used the word 'fascist'.

      The protesters, who are trying to outlaw the BNP, and their political ways, should be judged as fascists. Tell me that outlawing political parties, who recieved 2% of the vote, is not a starting step towards fascism.

      I can't stand the Labour government, but I would want being a member of the party to be a criminal offence.

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    2. Re:Xenophobia by Godwin+O'Hitler · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I've just read TFS again and yes, I was right, it does indeed say "culture". It makes no mention of national identity.
      I admire a whole lot of cultures, so why shouldn't I admire the good features of my own?
      But then someone has to come along don't they and judge it to be an insult against Britons with other cultural backgrounds (cultures, incidentally, that I admire just as much as mine, have no problem acknowledging, and which I don't demand merge with my own!).

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    3. Re:Xenophobia by xaxa · · Score: 2, Informative

      That Labour has ceased to represent any sort of left alternative is inseparable from the growing appeal of the BNP's right alternative.

      You should clarify what you mean by "left" and "right".

      The BNP have left-wing economic policies. They are similar to those of the Green Party, except the BNP add "if you're white" to everything. (So, free university (if you're white), and better public transport, and an emphasis on local manufacturing/consumption, social welfare, NHS, etc).

      The BNP has right-wing social policies (freedoms, etc), pretty much the opposite of the Green Party.

      You might find this interesting: http://politicalcompass.org/

    4. Re:Xenophobia by FourthAge · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Your original post strongly implied that support for "British culture" was closely related to support for the BNP, which is incorrect.

      The case, "nationalism = racism" has come up before, and in England it is official policy, something which many English people find insulting. The Welsh and Scottish cultural history is celebrated and preserved, as are the cultures of recent immigrants, but the English are mischaracterised as racists if they show any national pride. For example, if you display the traditional St George flag (red cross on white background), people will tend to assume you are a BNP supporter. Display the Scottish flag and you're regarded as a proud Scotsman. It frustrates me that supposed "intellectuals" regard this as right and proper, never questioning the groupthink. Hence I try to challenge that attitude wherever I see it.

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  8. Corruption! by Goffee71 · · Score: 5, Funny

    Expense fiddling - the game

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    1. Re:Corruption! by mike2R · · Score: 2, Informative

      We've got a major scandal over Members of Parliaments expenses going on at present.

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  9. British by clarkkent09 · · Score: 5, Funny

    proposal in the recent Digital Britain report to set up tax breaks for developing video games that are culturally British.

    The Sims - Football Hooligans
    EA Sports Cricket 09
    Age Of Former Empires
    Tom Clancy's Surveillance Society

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    1. Re:British by darthvader100 · · Score: 5, Informative

      Where are mod points when you need them... FYI EA Sports cricket 09 DOES exist(at least in SA)

    2. Re:British by theodicey · · Score: 2, Informative

      EA Sports Cricket is very real.

      And you know, football hooligans might even get me to play a Sims game.

  10. Some ideas by 4D6963 · · Score: 4, Funny

    Bertie & Wooster: The Game. Go on a policeman helmet stealing rampage, do whatever your servant tells you to do while avoiding getting married.

    Battlefield: British Colonies. Take control of Africa and East Asia before France does! Beware of the native warriors, some throw very sharp slices of mango!

    Okay that's all I've got, help me out guys!

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    1. Re:Some ideas by clickety6 · · Score: 3, Funny

      Bertie & Wooster: The Game.

      The names are Jeeves and Wooster, you cultural philistine ;-)

      Bertie Wooster, or Bertram Wilberforce Wooster to give him his full name, was a single character.

      Having said that, what a great game that could be. As well as stealing the policeman's helmet you could have drive-by hat pinching, Bread Roll Cricket at the Drones Club , Aunt Avoidance, Cow Creamer stealing, Escape the Engagement, Gussie's Newt game, Glossop Hide-and-Seek, and so on...

      top-ho, wot! wot!

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  11. Re:what's defined as culturally british? by xaxa · · Score: 4, Insightful

    what's culturally british?

    Binge drinking.

  12. Re:Is it me or is slashdot... by xaxa · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I think there are more frequent articles concerning the UK, which means there are more opportunities, but I think the anti-British comments were worse a couple of years ago.

  13. Digital Britain to push "culturally British" games by David+Gerard · · Score: 2, Informative

    As well as attempting to give the major record companies whatever they want until the end of time, Lord Carter's Digital Britain report includes tax breaks for "culturally British" computer game development.

    Planned games include Couch Warrior ("the goal is to sit playing a game. The graphics are truly horrifying and needed us to go to 3.5-dimensional to fit the player's avatar on the screen"), CCTV Panopticon ("take pictures of the CCTV cameras in your high street until arrested under the Terrorism Act for having your own camera in public"), Bottled Tan Snorter ("get into celebrity magazines and shag footballers, lose points for any sign of intelligence or words of two syllables") and Cynical Apathist ("write outraged blog comments with amusing satires of events of the day while working a job directly keeping the hideous machinery alive and running"). A committee will also form a group to do a study concerning a team to write a ZX Spectrum emulator for the iPhone.

    The games industry has warned in the past that developers are being lured away to other countries by the prospect of being paid more than shit. Conservative Shadow Arts Minister, Ed Vaizey, has leapt upon the opportunity, with promises of incentives for talented developers to stay in Britain and not be lured away by better pay in America. "We'll keep their passports from them until they reach 'Achievement Unlocked.'"

    Having finally released Digital Britain, Lord Carter has resigned from the government and is returning to private industry. "Of course, Digital Britain remains a completely objective assessment of the way forward for the nation in the twenty-first century, and should in no way be thought of as my CV for a series of lucrative consultancies with the large media companies I've just given everything they've ever asked for. And a pony."

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  14. Re:what's defined as culturally british? by Frogbert · · Score: 3, Funny

    I don't know but that game sounds pretty freaking sweet.

  15. Can't ... resist ... by mattbee · · Score: 2, Funny

    Coming this year:

    * Asbo of the Colossus
    * Big Brain City Academy
    * Turning Point: Fall of (civil) Liberties
    * Nintendogs (poodle edition)
    * Mario & Sonic in "Olympic overspend"
    * House Of The Red (-handed)

    (that's enough British games- ed)

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    1. Re:Can't ... resist ... by VJ42 · · Score: 2, Informative

      Or more likely, he reads Private Eye. Go ahead buy a copy it's the best dead tree publication in the UK

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  16. Re:what's defined as culturally british? by david.given · · Score: 4, Insightful

    what's culturally british? ruling at the barrel of a gun for a century, poaching wildlife to extinction, or collapsing stable democracies so that you can rape a country of its natural resources?

    Don't forget that the ethnic cleansing, the genocide, the slavery, the wars started solely to gain political favour at home, the systematic disregard for human life (not just abroad, either), and the levels of bigotry that make the KKK look liberal. We also have the dubious distinction of being the inventors of the concentration camp. The British Empire was not a nice place and the world is better without it. (Not that the other colonial powers were any better, of course.)

    I don't think people like the BNP who keep going on about the erosion of British values actually know what those values are.

  17. Wii binge drinking? by captainpanic · · Score: 2, Funny

    Wii binge drinking? Wii pint lifting?

    Bagpipe Hero?

    Or was the plan to play Wii Cricket (probably already exists?)?

    Also cool with new motion sensors: Ministry of Funny Walks - the game.

  18. Cool by kramulous · · Score: 2

    Now the world can experience sitting around sipping tea, losing cricket and whining about the shitty weather.

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  19. Re:what's defined as culturally british? by mike2R · · Score: 2, Insightful

    what's culturally british? ruling at the barrel of a gun for a century, poaching wildlife to extinction, or collapsing stable democracies so that you can rape a country of its natural resources?

    Not distinctive enough. That could be American, or Spanish, or Roman or...

    No, culturally British means "badly done cockney accents, in rubbish games that only see the light of day due to my tax money being used to subsidise them."

    You heard it here first.

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  20. Mornington Crescent! by Obvius · · Score: 2, Informative

    But would you use Trumpington's Rule Variations or the more accepted Tudor Court Rules?

  21. Re:what's defined as culturally british? by sqldr · · Score: 2, Informative

    the slavery..

    ..the attacks on American slave ships, 60 years after Britain abolished it..

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  22. This is a good thing by Toreo+asesino · · Score: 3, Funny

    I'm sure it'll only lead to only completely accurate portrays of true English culture, just like how America's Army does similar for the US army.

    So expect:

    - Restaurant Simulator - using entirely British food and cooking techniques; build a world-beating restaurant that makes Italians cry.
    - British Football 3D - play entirely respectful games of football winning with skill, but also good manners and complimenting the opponents to victory.
    - Railways on-line - improve an already perfect railway to be even more "perfecter". The more you make the French jealous, the more points you get.

    I can't wait!

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  23. Re:what's defined as culturally british? by wjousts · · Score: 2, Funny

    what's culturally british?

    Binge drinking.

    With vandalizing a bus shelter mini-game.

  24. Ultima by kenp2002 · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Dear Richard Garriot,

    Since there is a tax break for games that are culturally British, now is the time for you to quit screwing around on space stations, brow beat the rights to Ultima back, and Get Lord British and the Avatar kicking ass and taking names once again in Sorsia. RESSURECT ORIGIN PLEASE! I need a good Wing Commander game KTHX!

    We now return you to your regularlly scheduled M$ vs Linux /. flame war...

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  25. Re:what's defined as culturally british? by gintoki · · Score: 2, Funny

    Nah.....thats too old. Games need to be edgy these days. You know...so all the youth actually buy it. I suggest a sandbox game where you play as a 15 year old. The game will involve binge drinking, turf wars with other local gangs (all made up of 11-19 year olds). Then you just gotta add chavs and its done. Almost forgot...the side quests will involve "happy slapping". you regain health by eating British food such as curry and kebabs.

  26. Grand Theft Auto: Edinburgh by spafbi · · Score: 2, Funny

    Okay... maybe not.

  27. Re:British Drivers by meringuoid · · Score: 3, Informative
    If I promise to drive 20 MPH on the wrong side of the road in the game, will they buy me a copy of Grand Theft Auto?

    Funny thing is, Grand Theft Auto is a British game. Made in Scotland, from girders. It's just set in America - or rather, in the distorted image of America we get from gangster movies and crime TV shows.

    But apparently, instead of encouraging British developers to produce games that sell bazillions worldwide, they'd prefer to encourage... well, I'm not sure. The most culturally British game I've played lately was Professor Layton on the DS, an entirely Japanese production. Other than that, culturally British... well, there was Bully, Rockstar again, set in America but in a school which was a bizarre hybrid of an expensive boarding school and the worst ever borstal, and in which the hero fights with weapons taken straight from the pages of the Beano. And there was Civ IV: Beyond the Sword, which had a much improved model of imperialism where you just forced people into vassalage rather than outright annexation.

    Was Planescape: Torment culturally British? I mean, nearly everyone in it spoke eighteenth-century Cockney thieves' slang... How about World of Warcraft? - I mean, not that they're blatantly ripping off any well-known British roleplaying and wargaming setting or anything.

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  28. This has to involve coconuts... by argent · · Score: 2, Funny

    I'm sorry, but I can't think of "Culturally British Games" without expecting Monty Python cast members to be involved somewhere.

    How about Llamatron?

  29. Re:Big Brother 2014 by HTH+NE1 · · Score: 2, Interesting

    How about a game where you get to go around the streets of Britain shooting video cameras and avoiding the... police?

    Make it a third-person shooter where that view originates from those very same cameras. (Or would that be a second-person shooter?) You get first-person view only when you've destroyed all the cameras that could see you. When you walk into another's view, you're suddenly third-person again. Except for the hidden cameras, of which you see their perspective only when you're looking straight at them (as your sight glances over them you get a blink of the other perspective as a hint).

    Also, you don't get to start with a gun. Not even a throwing knife. You have to start with rocks, and chuck them when the cameras pan off you so as to avoid detection. As you get better, you get better weaponry (slingshot, etc., moving up to faster weaponry), while the cameras get more vigilant and more actively trying to catch you in the act. Eventually you start gaining control over the cameras, scoping ahead of you, as well as being able to loop their feeds (becoming a sort of cross between the remote stealth game "Hacker II: The Doomsday Papers" and "Operator's Side", but without the frustrating voice control of the latter). As authorities move in, you have to be more selective about cameras you disable so that you can spy on their positions.

    I'm liking this more and more. But there needs to be some gray about it all, even turning dark, such as, as you advance in abilities and the need to protect yourself and the allies you've made, you start to wonder if you're really fighting against the surveillance or becoming Big Brother yourself.

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