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NASA Sticking To Imperial Units For Shuttle Replacement

JerryQ sends in a story at New Scientist about the criticism NASA is taking for deciding to use Imperial units in the development of the Constellation program, their project to replace the space shuttle. "The sticking point is that Ares is a shuttle-derived design — it uses solid rocket boosters whose dimensions and technology are based on those currently strapped to either side of the shuttle's giant liquid fuel tank. And the shuttle's 30-year-old specifications, design drawings and software are rooted in pounds and feet rather than newtons and meters. ... NASA recently calculated that converting the relevant drawings, software and documentation to the 'International System' of units (SI) would cost a total of $370 million — almost half the cost of a 2009 shuttle launch, which costs a total of $759 million. 'We found the cost of converting to SI would exceed what we can afford,' says [NASA spokesman Grey Hautaluoma]."

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  1. Re:Oh the Humanity! by ivan256 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Which is the difference between scientists and engineers.... Sometimes the right decision is to listen to the engineers and not the scientists.

    The scientists have it easy. They work in theories and numbers. The engineers have to produce usable physical objects. They have to do so in an environment that had significantly established manufacturing infrastructure before the SI standard existed. The countries that have converted to SI are the countries that were late to the industrial revolution party. It is expensive and difficult to overcome a massive established base of equipment. And it's a self perpetuating problem, because you can't just replace individual tools and machines as they wear out. An individual replacement has to be compatible with the rest of your infrastructure.

    Sigh all you like. Short of a massive cash investment (Many Trillions of Dollars), or all manufacturing leaving the US and UK for good, Imperial units will stay and be indifferent to the sighs of the "rest" of the world.

    (Incidentally, this would have been a *great* thing to spend stimulus money on instead of government employee salaries and other stupid programs.)

  2. Re:If you give up the inch, they'll take the mile by Snowblindeye · · Score: 5, Insightful

    The real problem is that it is surprisingly hard to embrace a new system of measurement when you've spent your entire life thinking in different terms.

    Yes. Thats why the Canadians haven't been able to do it either. Or the Irish. Not Australia and New Zealand either. Or India.

    Oh wait, they *have* all done it. So how come they can, but for the US it's just too hard?

  3. I can definitely see their point, because by jcochran · · Score: 5, Insightful

    the issue isn't just one of redoing the drawings along with the various checks and cross checks to make certain the units were converted properly. I'm sure they could that, but the resulting set of new drawings would be extremely prone to encouraging mistakes. As a minor example. Let's assume that on one piece they currently have a dimension of 12 inches +/- 0.01 inches. So they convert this dimension to metric giving a new value of 30.48 cm +/- 0.025 cm. Excuse me?!?!? That's a rather odd and strange dimensional target to hand off to the machinest. And you'll be getting these rather strange dimensions for everything on the original design. Frankly using the metric measurements would make that rocket utterly hell to construct. So the "proper" solution would be to use the original design and then stretch/shrink various dimensions in order to make the dimensions "rounder" and easier to manufacture. But upon doing that, they have effectively come up with a new design that has to be recertified.

  4. Re:$370 million? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    It's not like they're building anything new or buying raw materials; they just need someone to re-draw plans with new measurements in a different system.

    Frankly, and without trying to be insulting, you're so ignorant of what the issue is that it's laughable that you even have an opinion on it.

    This isn't a matter of trivia, where we are worried if plans are marked in inches or mm. Change to metric, now every bolt must be metric pitch thread, every nut must be changed to accomodate. Every calculation of mass and structural integrity has to be reexamined and recalculated for new components. You don't just magically say "ok, our 3/8" bolts are now to be called 9.525mm bolts" and call it a day.

  5. Re:If you give up the inch, they'll take the mile by Chris+Mattern · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Fahrenheit is a wonderfully human temperature scale. Over 100 is Way Too Damn Hot, and under 0 is Way Too Damn Cold. I like that.

  6. Find something better to complain about by jcouvret · · Score: 5, Insightful

    We're just talking about units of measure. If it is easier to use imperial units because previous design and drawings were done in imperial, then that's the smart choice. I would be upset if NASA was wasting taxpayer money just so that the design could be done in metric. I actually applaud NASA for making a smart, cost/benefit engineering decision.

  7. Re:really? by Bakkster · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Next time you should replace 4999 of those hours with a simple BASH script.

    The original files were not available. What shell do you use that compiles to paper?

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