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Has NASA Found the Lost Moon Tapes?

jra writes "For over 5 years, various people both inside and retired from NASA have been engaged in a quest. They were looking for the long-lost original slow-scan video tapes from the Apollo 11 moon landing, which went missing in a record-keeping snafu, covered in unreasonable detail in a Wired article a couple years ago. Well now, according to the UK's Sunday Express newspaper, some tapes may or may not have been found which may or may not be the Apollo video. Apparently — I love the British press — the NASA boffins are a bit put out that it leaked; they were hoping to blow everyone's minds with the scoop themselves."

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  1. Hope by Tablizer · · Score: 5, Insightful

    That would be great if true. To lose the originals of the greatest technological and exploration achievement event since Columbus is a gut-wrenching thought. (And the existing copies are poor quality.)

    1. Re:Hope by Tablizer · · Score: 5, Insightful

      while Columbus stumbled across the New World despite sheer ignorance and wrongheadedness and was really lucky not to die through sheer incompetence.

      He was one of the best navigators in the business at the time, and had a very experienced crew. It's just that he was missing a few pieces of the puzzle. On his second mission, he used his knowledge of celestial mechanics and eclipses to fool some island tribes into thinking he was a god, saving his crew from torture or starvation.

      Further, Neal Armstrong was once quoted as saying he felt they had a 50/50 chance before the trip. Many things did almost go wrong on the first flight, including an overloaded computer and insufficient landing fuel. Luck, skill, and experience overrode those. Apollo 11 was hardly a sure thing.

      They were *all* gamblers.
           

    2. Re:Hope by fuzzyfuzzyfungus · · Score: 4, Insightful

      He was a good navigator; but he also believed in a number for the earth's circumference that was wildly wrong(and this wasn't just a "product of his time" error, superior numbers were widely available, and he was kind of a crank for not using them). It was sheer luck that the Americas happened to exist right about where Asia wasn't.

    3. Re:Hope by Tablizer · · Score: 5, Informative

      If not for the debris, they would probably have turned around a bit sooner and simply gave up

      Ironically, Neal faced a similar decision. The computer was signaling an unknown overload and they were also running tight on landing fuel as he spotted some large boulders he wanted to avoid. He could have called to abort the mission, using the ascent engine to return to moon orbit. In fact, "abort" would have been the "right" decision in my opinion based on what was known at the time.

      He gambled that the computer was still returning useful info despite the overload[1], and that he could manage his way to a landing on short fuel. I remember him saying afterward that even if he ran out of fuel, he was close enough to the ground for a "bounce" landing while jetting around the boulders, and thus mostly ignored ground-control's warnings. (The main ground announcer even joked about ground control "turning blue" just after landing because of the late landing.)

      He was possibly thinking he might never get a second chance, and thus took on excessive risk.

      [1] (It turned out the computer was still sufficient despite the overload, but they didn't fully know it then because they didn't know the cause yet. The cause turned out to be an extra un-docking service that they accidentally left on that wasn't needed for landing.)
                     

    4. Re:Hope by clang_jangle · · Score: 4, Funny

      and no, a few random spinoff NASA technologies aren't really worth talking about.

      Oh yeah, smart guy? What about about Jack Klompus's astronaut pen? It writes upside down...

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    5. Re:Hope by frieko · · Score: 4, Insightful

      So does a pencil.

    6. Re:Hope by Nefarious+Wheel · · Score: 4, Funny

      a "few" random spinoff technologies? Funniest thing I've ever read. Thank you sir!

      And quite ironic. Unless he wrote his response on a machine without miniaturised electronics - diesel typewriter perhaps.

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  2. May "or may not" by uberdilligaff · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Wouldn't it be nice if people (such as the summary writer) understood that "may" inherently includes the uncertainty as to whether it actually "does", or perhaps "does not"? Then they wouldn't feel compelled to append the completely redundant "or may not" every time.

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  3. Re:Boffins? by CarpetShark · · Score: 4, Funny

    If someone called ME a boffin, I might be obliged to bandy their knickers a bit.

    That's why people call you pervert ;)

  4. "Scoop" ? by jimhill · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Apparently someone forgot to tell NASA that they're a government agency and not some kind of mass-media Nielsen-dependent agency that relies on "scoops" and "special announcements". When they find something, they should announce it immediately. Suppose they'd found these tapes on July 21...would they have thought it appropriate to sit on them until July 20, 2019, just to have something special to go with the 50th anniversary?

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    1. Re:"Scoop" ? by Somegeek · · Score: 5, Insightful

      If only we lived in a world where government agencies got the funding that they needed regardless of current taxpayer whim. In one example, if NASA drops in popularity then they become an easy target for Senators looking to make a name for themselves as budget cutters.

      Thus any scoops or special announcements that they can come up with help keep them popular in the taxpayer's eye and help keep the budget cutters away.

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    2. Re:"Scoop" ? by Trepidity · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I disagree with all sorts of things the government does; can I have my money back too? I'm not a big fan of the military; if you want to develop new fighter jets, use someone else's money please. And why is my money being used to operate the patent office? Or the courts that adjudicate patent disputes?

  5. Re:We have had the videos *all along* you IDIOT by dotancohen · · Score: 5, Informative

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  6. Re:One Giant Screwup for Mankind by Fnordulicious · · Score: 4, Informative

    It happens because 'formerly' has a rhotacized schwa in the second syllable, and 'formally' has an unrhotacized schwa. Since the following syllable begins with an apical consonant that also includes velar articulation, the rhotacized schwa tends to lose its rhotacization due to anticipatory reduction. With this one feature lost, the two words become homophonous. In many (all?) non-rhotic dialects like Received Pronunciation, Australian English, etc., the two words are already homophonous.

  7. Re:NASA's credibility by jra · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I don't, actually, agree with that in this case. As several people point out when asked to justify the cost of the moon program, we didn't pay for the *hardware*, that was incidental.

    We *paid* for *the knowledge we got by using the hardware*. Now, while, admittedly, this bit of lost knowledge is not as important as the *warehouses full of 7-track tape with data from {Voyager,Pioneer} that has never even been read* since being written, mush less converted to DVD/BD, and made available to the public -- because reading it requires machining new headwheels for the only *two* remaining drives which can read it (do you sense a pattern here?)... it's still important, and I think it would be a bit shortsighted to say "ah, hell, it's only the pictures from the vacation".

    Watching that happen created a whole new generation of engineers.

    It's not completely unreasonable to think that if they did find it, and they do release it -- oh, say, at the 40th anniversary celebration on 18-Jul at the Kennedy Center -- that seeing the coverage on the net, or on TV, might not inspire that 1 or 2% of teenagers left who aren't too cynical to care about *anything at all* into wanting to go to space...

  8. Story's false by Captain+Nitpick · · Score: 4, Informative

    Bob Jacobs, the deputy assistant administrator for public affairs at NASA, says the story's fiction.

    (via Phil Plait)

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  9. Neil Armstrong was there to take that risk. by tjstork · · Score: 5, Insightful

    In fact, "abort" would have been the "right" decision in my opinion based on what was known at the time.

    Unless you are Neil Armstrong. There is a reason he was picked to go on that mission. He starts out as a combat jet pilot over Korea, brings back a totally shot up bird.

    After taking a bit of time to get some additional education, he winds up as a test pilot... flying all sorts of exotic craft. He makes his way into NASA, and there, he makes a quick decision that saves a tumbling Gemini spacecraft. Then, he's ejecting from wildly unstable lunar lander proxy craft.

    Pretty much his whole career, Armstrong flew a bunch of crazy aircraft in a bunch of dangerous situations and proved himself as having a knack for making the right decisions, and quickly, because of crunch time.

    He gambled that the computer was still returning...excessive risk

    I think its fair to say that with his track record, he didn't take excessive risk -for him-. He was the best flyer NASA had, and he was doing his job.

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