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Study Deconstructs Canadian Copyright Lobby Deception

An anonymous reader writes "A new Canadian study deconstructs how copyright lobby groups manipulate public opinion by laundering proposals through seemingly independent groups. The study started after the Conference Board of Canada was shown to have plagiarized several of its IP reports and now shows the connections that all lead through the MPAA and RIAA. Michael Geist writes, 'It is not just that these reports all receive financial support from the same organizations and say largely the same thing. It is also that the reports each build on one another, creating the false impression of growing momentum and consensus on the state of Canadian law and the need for specific reforms.'"

84 comments

  1. Of course, it turns out that... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    an anonymous reader is really the chief Pirate of Pirate Bay!

    1. Re:Of course, it turns out that... by Flea+of+Pain · · Score: 1

      the chief Pirate of Pirate Bay!

      That would be called the captain...jeez...some people never watch pirate movies.

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    2. Re:Of course, it turns out that... by clang_jangle · · Score: 0, Offtopic

      No, the captain only commands one ship -- the head of the whole pirate bay would be a commodore. Fat lot of good watching all those pirate movies did you ...

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    3. Re:Of course, it turns out that... by SEWilco · · Score: 0, Offtopic

      That would be called the captain...jeez...some people never watch pirate movies.

      If only there were a way to watch some pirate movies quickly.

    4. Re:Of course, it turns out that... by Requiem18th · · Score: 0, Offtopic

      I see you are unfamiliar with the pirate ranking system, it's captains all the way down.

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      But... the future refused to change.
    5. Re:Of course, it turns out that... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Nah, no ships involved equals no captains.

    6. Re:Of course, it turns out that... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What?

    7. Re:Of course, it turns out that... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

      When I first read that, I thought it said "the head of the whole pirate bay would be a commode" and I wondered if you were trying to make a poop-deck joke...

    8. Re:Of course, it turns out that... by colinrichardday · · Score: 0, Offtopic

      Then why doesn't the article have any "Aaarrgh"s in it?

  2. Canadian astroturfing, eh? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I think that we'll need to look closer at copyright ``movements'' in other parts too. But do take a moment to savour the delicious irony. It really is quite sublime, and telling in its own right.

    1. Re:Canadian astroturfing, eh? by causality · · Score: 5, Insightful

      I think that we'll need to look closer at copyright ``movements'' in other parts too. But do take a moment to savour the delicious irony. It really is quite sublime, and telling in its own right.

      This is really a very small demonstration. In reality, a great deal of this goes on in many different industries. It's not unlike what you will see if you do a little research on the seemingly-unrelted topic of legally binding arbitration in that the ruling overwhelmingly favors the party paying for it in all cases where this cost is not shared equally. Anytime you ever see "a new study supports X" for any sort of remotely political or controversial topic, keep in mind two tools of free minds: "qui bono?" ("who benefits?") and "follow-the-money." Look very closely at who sponsored the study, the methodology, and what the conclusion would mean for the sponsor. Also keep in mind that many "independent groups of concerned citizens" are actually front groups for various industry lobbies, particularly those which are able to launch national media campaigns.

      If the average person suddenly became aware of how much deception goes on and how many underhanded tactics are routinely and daily used to manipulate mass media, let's just say that the outrage and protesting would make the Vietnam War look like a a small uncontroversial subject.

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      It is a miracle that curiosity survives formal education. - Einstein
    2. Re:Canadian astroturfing, eh? by canuck57 · · Score: 1, Informative

      If the average person suddenly became aware of how much deception goes on and how many underhanded tactics are routinely and daily used to manipulate mass media, let's just say that the outrage and protesting would make the Vietnam War look like a a small uncontroversial subject.

      Is that an understatement or what? Once you realize it, then watch the news after a current event, you see the media in an entirely different light. If I had mod points I would be assigning one right now.

    3. Re:Canadian astroturfing, eh? by causality · · Score: 3, Insightful

      If the average person suddenly became aware of how much deception goes on and how many underhanded tactics are routinely and daily used to manipulate mass media, let's just say that the outrage and protesting would make the Vietnam War look like a a small uncontroversial subject.

      Is that an understatement or what? Once you realize it, then watch the news after a current event, you see the media in an entirely different light. If I had mod points I would be assigning one right now.

      I suspect that more and more people are increasingly waking up to this reality. It's just that if the different companies and groups who make up the mass media all have one thing in common, it's that they reinforce each other. For that reason, even if lots of people are starting to wake up, you are most definitely not going to see this fact on the prime time news.

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      It is a miracle that curiosity survives formal education. - Einstein
    4. Re:Canadian astroturfing, eh? by mrbcs · · Score: 3, Informative

      Watch "Wag the Dog" for that whole new perspective.

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      I'm not anti-social, I'm anti-idiot.
    5. Re:Canadian astroturfing, eh? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

      "qui bono?" ("who benefits?")

      Actually, it's "cui bono" (literally, "whose benefit").

      Not trying to be Latin nazi, just wanted to help out. :)

    6. Re:Canadian astroturfing, eh? by Runaway1956 · · Score: 1, Insightful

      Yes, more and more people are getting a clue. Unfortunately, those more and more taken as a percentage of the population, is falling behind.

      So long as kids run out to buy the latest Hannah Montana doo-diddy, so long as people are voting for an America's idol, the advertising companies know they are doing it right. Americans are suckers - you can sell anything to them with the right pitch. Canadians always seemed to be a little brighter, but maybe I was wrong. This corruption is going around the world and back again.

      People are dumber than rocks.

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      "Windows is like the faint smell of piss in a subway: it's there, and there's nothing you can do about it." - Charlie Br
    7. Re:Canadian astroturfing, eh? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Nah, most people just don't care until it HURTS them.

      THEN they wake up..

      With the current president in US, good things are happening. It will be a difficult time, and it won't be over until WE ALL have changed in some way. But we will be better off..

      I've seen such discussions about astroturfing on CNN, so it's not like reports are hush hush about it either.. They also read tha intarnet u know..

      Just start DOING something, instead of complaining!

    8. Re:Canadian astroturfing, eh? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      scire nefas

    9. Re:Canadian astroturfing, eh? by rgarbacz · · Score: 1

      It is not so simple. Indeed media are highly politicized, they are not accountable for what they are saying, and they present mainly opinions not facts. They also do not dare to verify politicians' claims, and statements (which are sometimes as easy as who voted/did not vote for something). They are very prone to flooding the airtime with any major event, i.e. all the other world events disappear for a while. But, ask yourself who pays for the media, then you will have an answer whose agenda is promoted.

      Another issue is the public response, here rules the majority opinion, and the majority needs "bread and games", it is as simple as that. How many people were outraged by the Sony rootkit, and how many did something about it (how many new about it).

      The last issue is the law legislature system, it seems that the bills are not read by those who vote. I am explicitly referring to sneaking some agendas into popular bills packages.

  3. Re:Deconstruct by sakdoctor · · Score: 0, Offtopic

    It stands to reason that if you can mashup web content, you can also demashup.

  4. Not newsworthy by JCZwart · · Score: 0, Offtopic

    What's newsworthy? This news will be forgotten. What will be remembered is that IP is violated on a large scale. This will fuel incentives towards more grotesque punishments of the violators.

    </sarcasm>

  5. Surprise, surprise. by Frosty+Piss · · Score: 1

    This is a red herring.

    There is no such thing as "independent groups" in the way that the author implies (except the ones that agree with the author?), all "issue" groups have a point of view and so bias.

    The author doesn't like the Copyright Lobby's "independent groups", the Copyright Lobby doesn't like the author's favorite "independent groups". Surprise, surprise.

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    1. Re:Surprise, surprise. by nog_lorp · · Score: 5, Insightful

      The author's favorite "independent groups" are going to be grass roots organizations.

      The Copyright Lobby's "independent groups" are all almost entirely funded by the CRIA and CMPDA.

      Not the same at all.

    2. Re:Surprise, surprise. by nine-times · · Score: 3, Insightful

      There is no such thing as "independent groups" in the way that the author implies

      Well of course. You don't put the time/effort/money into forming a group like that unless you have some kind of agenda. That agenda isn't necessarily nefarious or evil, but there has to be something that you're trying to investigate or achieve, and so you're probably going to favor ideas that help you toward your agenda. It's not strange to think that someone looking at the issues with a different agenda in mind will favor different ideas.

      However, that doesn't necessarily mean that a a given group's agenda isn't nefarious or evil, or at the very least self-serving to the detriment of others. I personally have little doubt that the RIAA and MPAA are focussed on their own profits and aren't very concerned with the consumers' welfare or even artists' welfare. Maybe a pro-consumer group wouldn't be too interested in the RIAA's welfare either, but given that I'm a consumer and not the RIAA, I'm ok with that.

    3. Re:Surprise, surprise. by causality · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Well of course. You don't put the time/effort/money into forming a group like that unless you have some kind of agenda. That agenda isn't necessarily nefarious or evil, but there has to be something that you're trying to investigate or achieve, and so you're probably going to favor ideas that help you toward your agenda. It's not strange to think that someone looking at the issues with a different agenda in mind will favor different ideas.

      I agree with what you are saying there. There's one difference that I consider to be of the utmost importance, however. I would be fine with such groups if they openly stated "We are created and sponsored by the RIAA (or whomever) for the sole purpose of representing their interests." That's not what happened here. They wanted to maintain the illusion of some kind of neutral, dispassionate, unbiased consensus based on facts. That's something that a lot of people want to see badly enough that they are a bit too eager to believe it.

      This really should be a crime. It should be a crime, the laws against which are vigorously enforced. I do not exaggerate in the slightest when I say that this is the very sort of thing that, left unchecked, can eventually destroy the freedom and well-being that we currently enjoy. Our governments and legal systems are greatly threatened when they can be gamed like this. Because of that, I personally consider this to be not unlike treason.

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      It is a miracle that curiosity survives formal education. - Einstein
    4. Re:Surprise, surprise. by nemsis21 · · Score: 2, Informative

      The point of Mr. Geist' article isn't that it is a new tactic, what he has done is expose all the links between the groups and their citations. Not that any politician gives a damn but maybe he can teach a few more "citizens" about how politics works.

    5. Re:Surprise, surprise. by causality · · Score: 1

      The point of Mr. Geist' article isn't that it is a new tactic, what he has done is expose all the links between the groups and their citations. Not that any politician gives a damn but maybe he can teach a few more "citizens" about how politics works.

      I don't really understand replies like this. I never claimed that there was anything new about this so you appear to be rebutting a statement that I did not make. Not trying to be rude or anything like that, just that the purpose of this reply is a genuine mystery to me.

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      It is a miracle that curiosity survives formal education. - Einstein
    6. Re:Surprise, surprise. by noidentity · · Score: 1

      This really should be a crime. It should be a crime, the laws against which are vigorously enforced. I do not exaggerate in the slightest when I say that this is the very sort of thing that, left unchecked, can eventually destroy the freedom and well-being that we currently enjoy.

      More freedom comes from getting the government the fuck out of things it has no business in, not giving it more things to get involved in. Enforce physical property rights? Check. Do other things? Hell no.

    7. Re:Surprise, surprise. by maxwell+demon · · Score: 1

      More freedom comes from getting the government the fuck out of things it has no business in, not giving it more things to get involved in. Enforce physical property rights? Check. Do other things? Hell no.

      You seem to value physical property rights above everything else. I personally value other rights, such as the right to live, or the right to not be owned, much higher (and yes, the latter is a restriction of property rights) and would rather prefer that the government protects those, too. Indeed, if I had the choice between a country which absolutely protects my property, but everyone may kill or enslave me, and a country where my life and freedom is protected, but I cannot own anything, I definitely would chose the latter. Which doesn't mean I don't value physical property rights. It's just that they are by far not the most important rights.

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      The Tao of math: The numbers you can count are not the real numbers.
    8. Re:Surprise, surprise. by dryeo · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Business, especially big business will take away your rights really quick. Sometimes like in this case in the name of property rights.

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      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inverted_totalitarianism
    9. Re:Surprise, surprise. by Frosty+Piss · · Score: 2, Insightful

      The author's favorite "independent groups" are going to be grass roots organizations.

      Many "grass roots organizations" are not.

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      If you want news from today, you have to come back tomorrow.
    10. Re:Surprise, surprise. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Many "grass roots organizations" are not.

      ... which is exactly the point the author seems to try to make ...

    11. Re:Surprise, surprise. by rtb61 · · Score: 1

      So what this report truly points out, is the old world control of the message, what is seen, heard or read, is no longer the only message that gets to the public eye or, the government eye. Of course politicians give a damn, those old excuses for their clearly biased and corrupt decisions no longer wash quite so readily.

      A bit of mass media B$, some upbeat talking head talking points, some junk science reports and statistics and now what, crap is crap, it all used to work so well in the eighties and nineties and now it just blows up in the faces of the corporate liars and the politicians trying to hide behind those lies. So that article like all the others articles coming out about all the other bits of corruption going on are there to inform about what is currently going not because it is a new or unique tactic but, because every corporate lie, every political deceit needs to be caught out and exposed on the web.

      It could all turn out to be a very interesting new political tactic for advancement, anonymously expose your competitor on the same side of politics to the public and they will no longer be able to hide behind lawyers and PR=B$ mass media spin, it just doesn't work that well any more, they're out and your in.

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    12. Re:Surprise, surprise. by scottFuz · · Score: 1

      Bravo!!!!

      The idea that corporations or lobby groups can 'quietly' manipulate public opinion through the media is disturbing and should be considered criminal. How are these types of actions any different than subliminal advertising?

      If some lobby or corporate entity are not honest in your intentions or identity, why should the public believe anything you say or consider doing business with you?

      Steve Balmer...are you listening?

    13. Re:Surprise, surprise. by CyberSaint · · Score: 1

      The problem is not the "Research for Hire" approach, but the fact they are using multiple puppet fronts to launder their opinions or "Astroturf". The fact that these studies were bought and paid for is irrelevant. The fact that they are trying to make it sound like they are the only opinion in town is the problem.

      The fact that they are actively trying to suppress studies that differ from their party line, and are citing multiple studies, all bought and paid for by them to make their bias seem to have more support than it actually does is what has allowed them to push studies through organizations that generally have a shred of academic credibility, like the Conference board of Canada.

      Their mistake was not being creative enough, the fact that all the studies have almost the same wording would tip a 5th Grade English teacher off that there might be some plagiarism involved.

    14. Re:Surprise, surprise. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So you think there is some sort of shady file sharing corporation that funds anti-IP groups?

  6. A Good Strategy by value_added · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Reports that build on one another, creating the false impression of growing momentum and consensus, with some invisible hand guiding everything and everyone... where have I heard that, before?

    1. Re:A Good Strategy by 1+a+bee · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Exactly. It's been done since time immemorial, a few cases of which are documented in Chomsky's Manufacturing Consent. (Nice tag, whoever did it.)

      The difference between now and when Chomsky wrote his book is the web, of course. Kudos to this blogger Michael Geist for helping expose a farcical consensus. Hopefully we'll see more of this kind of analysis for other lobby groups as well.

    2. Re:A Good Strategy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If a group of 'well upstanding citizens' pulled this junk it would be conspiracy to defraud.

    3. Re:A Good Strategy by Scrameustache · · Score: 1

      Reports that build on one another, creating the false impression of growing momentum and consensus, with some invisible hand guiding everything and everyone... where have I heard that, before?

      There's that, and also this: http://archive.salon.com/news/feature/2000/01/13/drugs/print.html

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      You can't take the sky from me...

  7. Pendulum by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Time for the backlash. Destroy DMCA.

    1. Re:Pendulum by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I can see there being so much of a backlash over the Canadian Copyright lobby in the US that they'd dismantle the DMCA. I'm sure fires are burning in the streets as we speak.

  8. Re:The same could be said for opposing views by nog_lorp · · Score: 5, Informative

    Hah. Too bad I don't have mod points for "Troll".

    Slashdot is not a lobby group or think tank. It is a news aggregator. The blurbs it posts do not claim to be original work.

    These lobby groups are front organizations for the Canadian versions of the RIAA and MPAA, and cite each other even though they are essentially the same organization. This is like a scientist create a fake identity to peer review his own papers, and/or to cite himself repeatedly.

  9. Re:Deconstruct by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Psssst -- just because a word is new to you doesn't make it a new word.

  10. Sounds familiar by ScentCone · · Score: 1, Offtopic

    It is also that the reports each build on one another, creating the false impression of growing momentum and consensus...

    So it's pretty much like Global Warming Theology, then?

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    1. Re:Sounds familiar by theheadlessrabbit · · Score: 1

      It is also that the reports each build on one another, creating the false impression of growing momentum and consensus...

      So it's pretty much like Global Warming Theology, then?

      yea, don't you just hate it how the rising global temperatures, rising CO2 in the air and water, shrining ice caps, disappearing glaciers, increase in natural disasters, and Al Gore are all conspiring together to make us believe in global warming.

      it's so frustrating...today is 21 degrees, while yesterday was 23 degrees. obviously, global warming is wrong.

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    2. Re:Sounds familiar by causality · · Score: 2, Interesting

      It is also that the reports each build on one another, creating the false impression of growing momentum and consensus...

      So it's pretty much like Global Warming Theology, then?

      yea, don't you just hate it how the rising global temperatures, rising CO2 in the air and water, shrining ice caps, disappearing glaciers, increase in natural disasters, and Al Gore are all conspiring together to make us believe in global warming.

      it's so frustrating...today is 21 degrees, while yesterday was 23 degrees. obviously, global warming is wrong.

      I won't comment on whether global warming is caused by mankind or not. I have my opinions but I don't consider it something that I can unambiguously prove or anything like that, so to make such a statement here would be needlessly controversial and would take away from the real point I want to make. It would be about as useful as taking a position on abortion. So, I will stick to what I have no doubts about.

      The politics of this issue are increasingly leading towards the taxation of carbon, typically in the form of CO2. Make no mistake about one thing: a tax on carbon is a tax on life. Whether that is the best way to handle the issue of global warming or whether alternatives are being ignored is probably the subject of much lively debate. There is one thing of which I am certain, however. That is, based on their track record with lesser powers, I do not trust the governments of the world to handle such a sweeping power that directly or indirectly affects so many things in any way that is actually in our best interests.

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      It is a miracle that curiosity survives formal education. - Einstein
    3. Re:Sounds familiar by osu-neko · · Score: 1

      I won't comment on whether global warming is caused by mankind or not. I have my opinions but I don't consider it something that I can unambiguously prove or anything like that...

      It's also irrelevant.

      Imagine the boat is sinking and you have people with buckets, but they're using them to take water out of the sea and put it into the boat rather than the reverse. You tell them to stop, but they claim their actions are defensible because, although they're adding to the water in the boat, the main reason it's sinking is due to the rock that the boat hit earlier and the hole in the bottom of the boat.

      Whether these people are idiots or not has nothing to do with whether their actions are the reason the boat is sinking or not. It may very well be true that the main source of the water rising inside the boat is a hole in the bottom, but even so, if they insist they should be allowed continue putting more water into the boat instead of taking water out, they're idiots who should be shot and thrown overboard and their buckets given to people with a clue on how to bail water properly.

      If the planet is getting hotter, we should not be doing things ourselves to exacerbate the problem. We should be doing things to combat the problem. Whether we're the primary cause of the problem or not is irrelevant to this point!

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      "Convictions are more dangerous enemies of truth than lies."
    4. Re:Sounds familiar by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      How do we know the earth isn't getting cooler? If my memory serves me right it has been getting cooler over the last ten years.

      How can global warming fanatics say that global warming is hurting the number of polar bears up north, but ignore and suppress reports that polar bears are thriving in larger numbers than before?

      I'll tell you why. Money!. Global warming fanatics want to tax (cap and trade bill anyone) us. They want us to feel guilty about changing the world (supposedly).

      It doesn't even seem to matter that they haven't proved that we are in fact increasing the average global temp.
      It also doesn't even seem to matter that they haven't proved that the temp is increasing. Never mind increasing outside of the normal variations.

      Remember high co2 levels follows high global temps by 800 years, not lead. I can barely see a correlation, I can't even fathom how they see a causation.

    5. Re:Sounds familiar by TapeCutter · · Score: 1

      Well said, if only I had mod points.

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      And did you exchange a walk on part in the war for a lead role in a cage? - Pink Floyd.
    6. Re:Sounds familiar by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So it's pretty much like Global Warming Theology, then?

      Yeah, I was going to say something like that but then I remembered that AGW is sacrosanct and NOT TO BE QUESTIONED!

    7. Re:Sounds familiar by TapeCutter · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Your post is typical of a significant minority of slashdotters who are being mislead by a looby group that make the MAFIAA look like amatures, the urban ledgends you are repeating in your post were created by the heartland institute who are associated with the CEI and other anti-science front groups via the Cooler heads coalition.

      Their associated web sites are too numerous to list but two of them that are quoted with depressing regularity on slashdot are icecap (owned and operated by HI) and WUWT, (Watts is a regular attraction at the HI's "climate confrences").

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      And did you exchange a walk on part in the war for a lead role in a cage? - Pink Floyd.
    8. Re:Sounds familiar by ScentCone · · Score: 1

      We should be doing things to combat the problem

      Unless the things you're proposing have (as all giant, civilization-impacting Really Good Ideas do) unintended consequences.

      And unless the things you're proposing are so toxic to the world economy that they erase the very productivity and marginal largess that allows us to do what we've been doing for decades: greatly reduce pollution and greatly boost efficiencies. These things can only happen when you have a thriving economy to pay for them. Obama wants to use a high-interest-rate, maxed-out national credit card to pay for a "solution" that is so full of loop-holes and exceptions that it will do nothing except tax the economy and add to the government regulatory and treasury bureaucracies. You want more of the huge leaps in efficiencies that we've seen already developed in the last 20 years? Don't strangle the economy, and don't let "developing" countries like China and India off the hook by treating them as if they were some goat-herding village in the Sudan.

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      Don't disappoint your bird dog. Go to the range.
  11. does anyone pay attention? by Peter+La+Casse · · Score: 1

    I look forward to the day when astroturf is ineffective.

    1. Re:does anyone pay attention? by ceoyoyo · · Score: 1

      Well, it gets really slippery when it snows. So around here it's got another two, max three months.

  12. Re:The same could be said for opposing views by causality · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Slashdot is not a lobby group or think tank. It is a news aggregator. The blurbs it posts do not claim to be original work.

    Not to mention that Slashdot has one very important advantage. If something is posted that is demonstrably false, anyone can post their own follow-up right there in the same forum and successfully call bullshit. The mods around here may be too trigger-happy when it comes to down-modding but they are quite good at recognizing the value of such dissent and making sure that it becomes prominent and noticable. The one-to-many, "spotlight" nature of most mass media means that there is no such ability, causing even easily debunked BS to quickly be repeated over and over again until the average person considers it something "that everybody knows."

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    It is a miracle that curiosity survives formal education. - Einstein
  13. Re:The same could be said for opposing views by Patchw0rk+F0g · · Score: 1
    Yeah. Thanks to anonymous reader for pointing this one out.

    On the one hand, this sort of shit needs to see the light of day. On the other hand, it give me a (rare) reason to feel ashamed of being Canadian. What the hell do these idiots think they're doing? Pulling the wool over our eyes?

    Wake up and smell the coffee, you idiots. We're not going to let you get away with crap like that. Thanks for letting us know! (Shuffles off to some networking sites to start some more news stories re: this!)

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    When the going gets weird, the weird turn pro. ~~ Hunter S. Thompson
  14. Another excuse for raising taxes by MvdB · · Score: 1

    Well, past experience has shown that eventually these things affect politicians. They see variations on the same thing proclaimed by multiple groups and think they have to do something. That something is usually increasing the levy/fee/tax on blank DVDs and CDs, coupled with proclamations that you are championing Canadian home-grown talent. The difference between levy and tax? You can put GST (5%) on a levy, but you can't put GST on a tax.

    1. Re:Another excuse for raising taxes by dryeo · · Score: 1

      Of course you can put GST on a tax. Every time we buy gas we pay a bunch of taxes then we pay GST on those taxes.

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      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inverted_totalitarianism
  15. US Laundering Efforts. by Intrinsic · · Score: 1

    The same thing happens here in the US. FreedomWorks is a front group for Political Insiders. The scary part of is that people that have joined this organzation have no idea they are apart of a front group.

  16. Re:The same could be said for opposing views by quacking+duck · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Slashdot's advantages over traditional media is not just because of the comments and mods, but also that mod points

    1) are more than simple agree/disagree flags, they also indicate why the mod chose the mod they did
    2) are lost if the moderator subsequently comments in the same story
    3) aren't always available to a given reader, and are a limited resource

    That last is key. In Canada, CBC's online news discussions are superior to CTV's site (where only select stories can be commented on, and all comments are weighted the same), but it's still just a giant popularity contest that uses agree/disagree flags. Trolls routinely hit disagree on a comment just to be asses, whereas if their "opinions" were limited in quantity and timeframe, their damage would be negligible.

    Granted Slashdot has problems with collective moderator biases as well, but it's far and away a much better system of balancing the good and bad aspects of public participation.

  17. Re:Deconstruct by Ethanol-fueled · · Score: 0, Offtopic

    HAW! You told him, motherfucker! And wouldn't deconstruction make a mashup a mash-down?

    Thank you, thank you, I'll be here all week. Try my wife's pussy, it tastes of fish.

  18. I'm shocked! by BlackSabbath · · Score: 4, Interesting

    You mean the commercial entities with a revenue stream to protect are funding lobby groups to manipulate public opinion and corrupt the political process?
    I'm shocked! Shocked I tell ya!

    Well, OK. I'm not that shocked. In fact I'm pretty sure this has happened before.
    Exxon is pretty good at this sort of thing:-
    http://www.exxonsecrets.org/
    http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/2009/jul/01/exxon-mobil-climate-change-sceptics-funding

    And groups like the Heartland Institute ( http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=Heartland_Institute ) are whoring for so many masters I fully expect to see them expand into the "intellectual property" debate any day now.

    Its pretty important for citizens to hone their bullshit detectors to try and figure out when they are the target of a snow job.
    Here are a few tools I use to pretty good effect when employing my bullshit detector:

    "Who benefits" - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cui_bono
    "You can't get something for nothing" - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conservation_law
    "The simpler theory is often correct" - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Occams_razor
    ( be careful with that last one - it can be a slippery sucker)

    1. Re:I'm shocked! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You misread the page on Occam's Razor. It says nothing about correctness.

      It's a rule of parsimony, basically, when formulating a theory, don't include unnecessary shit. Flying green elephants aren't needed to explain gravity? Don't include them.

      It also does not necessarily point towards objectively simple theories. Much of e.g. quantum physics is anything but simple, but the various theories pass the test of Occam's Razor by being no more complex than necessary to explain observations.

    2. Re:I'm shocked! by BlackSabbath · · Score: 1

      You're quite literally correct of course. I was reflecting a more colloquial phrasing. I guess what I was trying to get at is that when faced with multiple alternative explanations for something, Occam's Razor is a good heuristic for picking one. Scientists sometimes employ Occam's Razor for selecting the simpler among competing but otherwise equivalent theories that match existing empirical evidence.

      I tend to use it as a method of weighting scenarios. We live in a time when we don't "directly" know a great many things. We take very many things on faith - faith in others' expertise. When the "experts" or "leaders" cannot agree and the field is such that becoming personally aware of the mass of empirical evidence is not necessarily feasible, then Occam's Razor can be a useful heuristic for assigning likelihood.

      Of course, the assumption behind Occam's Razor is that the universe doesn't prefer overly complex solutions. You could argue that there is a basis in reality to this - where our knowledge is sure, that seems to be what is reflected.

      There's a great discussion of Occam's Razor here:
      http://math.ucr.edu/home/baez/physics/General/occam.html

  19. How the Copyright Lobby runs the Media by CuteSteveJobs · · Score: 4, Informative

    (I firehosed this story too with some extra information about how the Copyright Lobby primed the Australian Media to run a ridiculous piracy=terrorism story, complete with a claim by Australian Reporter Mike Munroe that pirates could "burn a DVD in 3.5 seconds":)

    Australia's Fairfax group published an article by Journalists Eamonn Duff and Rachel Browne claiming that people who download films from illegal file-sharing websites are financing terrorism. The article only quoted media industry sources and was basically a warmed-up press release. That evening Channel Seven "Sunday Night" current affairs program claimed how how movie piracy is being used to fund terrorist groups including Hezbollah and Jemaah Islamiah, responsible for the Bali bombings in 2002 which killed hundreds including 94 Australians. Reporter Mike Munro claimed pirates "could burn a DVD in 3.5 seconds."

    While technically-savy voters can sort fact from fiction, technically-illiterate politicians are easily swayed. What's the best way to combat this sort of misinformation? Is it possible to educate our politicians that there are two sides to every story? Or are they hopelessly in the lobbyists pockets.

    1. Re:How the Copyright Lobby runs the Media by TapeCutter · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Unfortuately there a lot of aussie rednecks who listen to Mike Munroe, Andrew Bolt, Miranda Devine and Alan Jones, politicians can't fight that level of bullshit without killing the free press in the process.

      "What's the best way to combat this sort of misinformation?"

      Ridicule.

      --
      And did you exchange a walk on part in the war for a lead role in a cage? - Pink Floyd.
    2. Re:How the Copyright Lobby runs the Media by mambodog · · Score: 1

      I saw that story too, and I have to say, the solution is pretty obvious: If the profits from bootleg DVDs being sold is funding terrorism, then we all need to do the right thing. As Australians we must hold our heads up high... and torrent the movies instead. Then how will they make their terrorism funding cash? Yeah! Aussie Aussie Aussie!

  20. Control by fireheadca · · Score: 1

    The only reason copyright exists is to allow a 3rd party to benefit from the works of an artist.

    The artist seeks a 3rd party to exihibit his works for publicity, but this should not be withstanding ad infinitum.

    Perhaps artists need to include a clause in their contracts opening up their works (for derivitives, etc) within a
    reasonable timeframe.

    Copyright is about control. Control of the artists, control of the audience.

    1. Re:Control by twidarkling · · Score: 2, Informative

      The only reason copyright exists is to allow a 3rd party to benefit from the works of an artist.

      Err. No. The only reason organizations such as the RIAA and the CMRRA exist is to profit from the works of another. The reason copyright was created was so that the primary artist was able to gain compensation for their works before the public was allowed unmoderated use. That's still its primary reason for existing. Without it, the 3rd parties would be able to simply take the work and use it on their own.

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      Canada: The US's more awesome sibling.
    2. Re:Control by upuv · · Score: 1

      You have a typo there.

      You said: "The only reason copyright exists is to allow a 3rd party to benefit from the works of an artist."

      I think you meant "The only reason copyright exists is to allow a 3rd party to benefit on behalf of an artist." :)

  21. Michael Geist is a liar, as shown. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Why does the university feel the need to employ a liar as a professor?

    He writes:
    "clearly just a part of a much larger strategy to influence Canadian copyright policy by creating a narrative of crisis and the false impression of Canada as a piracy haven."

    One of the sources he links to for support, and who links back to him for support, writes the following article:

    http://www.slaw.ca/2009/06/26/maybe-the-jury-didnt-like-the-songs/

    Hence it's clear that Canada IS by all reasonable definition a piracy haven, according to the most reasonable definition that piracy is not punished, as is clearly evident from the article.

    Why does Geist feel the need to lie about the strictness of enforcement in Canada?

  22. It took this man to point the obvious out. by upuv · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I must congratulate Michael Geist on this work.

    I for one knew this was all hoo hoo when I first read about how Canadians loose between $10-30 billion a year. That's $333-1000 per man, woman & child. I would barely consume the $333 myself in a year. My 99 year old grand mother would be in the order of 50c a decade these days. And my newborn child well he's a software junky at oh lets say NOTHING. Sure I could find a 16 year old girl that eats $1000 a month in itunes alone. But on average for every breathing person in Canada a number like $333 is insane.

    The per capita income of every person in Canada is $39,300USD (2008 est.) or $45,674.47 CAD. before tax. These reports are basically saying that every person in Canada steals any where from 1-3% after tax income in the form of download-able music/movies and software. Assuming a 30% tax rate ( I pulled 30% out of thin air ). This is not saying that ALL consumption is illegal, All it is saying that every breathing human in Canada steals the equivalent of 1-3% of their net income on a subset of media. This is an insanely huge number people.

    Bottom line is the media companies are lazy and greedy. One of the most fundamental reasons why people download entertain is quite simple. It comes in a form that is easy to use and extremely convenient. The entertainment industries really missed the opportunity back in the 90's when all this started. Instead of actually looking at this consumption path as a HUGE source of revenue that s$%t themselves and paniced. Instead of investing in this essentially new industry they took the easy route ( so they thought ) and tried to get the courts and governments of the planet to essentially make it law that traditional consumption methods must be adhered to. This at the relatively trivial cost of lobby groups and legal consults ( so they thought ).

    I'm no Apple fan boy. But you gotta respect Apple when they basically said. âoeWe are doing this and you will play along and you will make a profit through us. So sit down shut up and this the damn cheque already. Oh and you have no manufacturing or shipping costs. That's now free. So The cheque is basically 100% profit.â I'm still amazed the media companies tried to stop them. Absolutely stunned. ( I'm ignoring the whole DRM thing, that rant is already done. )

    So back full circle. After 15+ years of this borderline moronic adventure the entertainment industry they are still at it. ( Even my dog learns faster than these people. ) They are still trying to manipulate world governments and laws so that they can have an easy ride to the money. Guys clearly it is not an easy ride the path you are on. Wake up, Apple, Amazon are making easy money for you. They are clearly on the easy path. Stop the lying and cheating and just start delivering product in forms people want. You will make more easy money.

  23. Re:The same could be said for opposing views by 10am-bedtime · · Score: 1

    Good point, however a minor quibble:

    I wouldn't say spotlight for one to many. There's already an apt term for the idea: broadcast.

  24. Re:Deconstruct by edittard · · Score: 1

    I bet you don't know what it means either. It certainly doesn't mean "refute" or "disagree with" like 99% of cretins who use it seem to think.

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    At the bottom of the /. main page it says 'Yesterday's News'. Well they got that right.
  25. Re:The same could be said for opposing views by DNS-and-BIND · · Score: 1

    Except for the fact that something like 90% of Slashdot viewers never, ever click on the comments, much less register for an account and post.

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    Shutting down free speech with violence isn't fighting fascism. It IS fascism!
  26. Nope, he had it right by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The labels benefit from the artists' work. The artist almost never (and usually ONLY when they start up their own label, see the Beatles AFTER they broke up).

    Hollywood accounting is another example where you have it wrong: they aren't benefiting on BEHALF of the artist, they're benefiting from the exploitation of the artist.

  27. Digging deeper in Canada by PsiCTO · · Score: 2, Interesting
    This echoes my own experience in challenging government policy here in Canada, and makes me sad that everywhere people don't get the whole picture because they don't receive all the information on a topic.

    In my own case, I wrote to every Opposition and Cabinet Member of the Legislative Assembly (MLA) in Alberta challenging the logic of electricity deregulation a few years ago. Since Alberta is a one-party state in effect, I got replies from all Opposition MLAs, but only one from the Government, directly from the Minister in charge. At first I had to admit it was a well-written reply and seemed to have some "weight" in that it referred to Alberta's achievements in electricity deregulation and promoting free markets. However, a quick Internet search revealed that the whole letter was just a cut and paste job of speeches delivered to various groups in Canada and the US. Moreover, some of the groups were pure sham. One named in the letter purported to be a Marketing Association or something based in Washington and they lauded Alberta as leading the way in a group of five or so "progressive" provinces and states. Other than the minister's speeches, I couldn't find any evidence that they actually existed!!!

    The most egregious claim in the letter was that since some point in time in 2000 or 2001 (I forget the exact date selected) Alberta's electricity rates had declined by a significant amount. WTF? They chose a date that was the highest point in terms of price. Prices are still not close to pre-2000 levels, especially when you factor in tacked-on transmission and delivery charges (money grabs).

    The final kicker was that despite the Alberta Government's new rules about patronage appointments, several years later, after the damage was done, the Minister got a plush posting in Washington.

    My final comment is that it was embarrassing how simplistic their "deception" was. I guess given that since the late 70s Alberta's government has been run by leaders and ministers that average, probably, no better than a high school education and have that eroded by populist, short-term focused politics I shouldn't be surprised.

    I can't wait for copyright taxes to be challenged in the courts here in Canada, and hope to be able to watch, if not support, an educated and articulate public battle the real interests behind all this...

  28. Re:The same could be said for opposing views by lord+sibn · · Score: 1

    Slashdot is a news aggregator? Funny, I don't think I've ever actually seen news linked from it. Sure, there are links, but I don't ever really click on them. That might explain something.

    (I'm obviously not new here, that is to say ; -- Also, I generally avoid the comments section and ONLY read TFA.)

  29. First, We Shoot All The Lobbyists by Toad-san · · Score: 1

    I know, not an original idea. And probably not a perfect solution.

    But it'll do, pig, it'll do.

  30. Too bad Slashcode is dead... by Lord+Satri · · Score: 1

    I agree with you on the pertinence of Slashdot/Slashcode's moderation system, however, Slashcode is dead now... see the related replies (mainly on the slashcode-general mailing list) of this journal entry.

  31. Re:Deconstruct by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Well said. I mean, look at how often he used the word *new*.