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Google Will Star In New Dow Jones News Model

An anonymous reader writes "Dow Jones is getting set to launch a new aggregator, akin to Google News, which will charge Web users for access to high-quality journalism. 'The Journal is one of the many newspapers you might buy in one place and with one payment [...] Watch for it,' said Dow Jones CEO Les Hinton. However, rather than posing a threat to Google News, Andrew Keen, author and entrepreneur, says the aggregator will use Google as a critical partner. The only people who should be worried about this new model, says Keen, 'are all those lucky consumers who, over the last 15 years, have been getting their news for free.'"

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  1. Quick! by pHus10n · · Score: 2, Funny

    Someone tell MSNBC, CNN, and Foxnews they're no longer viable.

    1. Re:Quick! by Reason58 · · Score: 2, Funny

      I've been saying this for years.

    2. Re:Quick! by AuMatar · · Score: 2, Informative

      They said high quality. That completely eliminates Fox, and throws grave doubts on the other two.

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  2. Sounds friendly... by tnk1 · · Score: 5, Funny

    Hey, all you people getting value for free, you'd better watch out! You have to pay us now... for what you already get for free! Take that!

    This guy must have been top of his class in Business School. I will follow his career with much interest.

    1. Re:Sounds friendly... by bheer · · Score: 4, Interesting

      I find this extremely ironic because today a columnist from _Reuters_ broke the big news story about the Goldman Sachs arrest. And Reuters has a very informative web site. While NY and Chicago papers (who should have broken the story because it happened in their cities) were snoozing.

      Controlling the aggregator won't making papers profitable. Delivering a service people _want to pay for_ (like Flickr, or WSJ, or the Economist) will make them profitable. And so far, local papers (even in bigger cities like Boston) are just not doing that.

    2. Re:Sounds friendly... by aengblom · · Score: 2, Funny

      I find this extremely ironic because today a columnist from _Reuters_ broke the big news story about the Goldman Sachs arrest. And Reuters has a very informative web site. While NY and Chicago papers (who should have broken the story because it happened in their cities) were snoozing.

      Controlling the aggregator won't making papers profitable. Delivering a service people _want to pay for_ (like Flickr, or WSJ, or the Economist) will make them profitable. And so far, local papers (even in bigger cities like Boston) are just not doing that.

      .... Reuters has several thousand journalists. Why would they not break major stories?

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    3. Re:Sounds friendly... by zonky · · Score: 4, Informative

      Because news collection just doesn't work like this at all.

      This book is well worth a read on how news is collected, and becomes news. It's quite depressing reading.

  3. To be fair to the WSJ by Greg_D · · Score: 3, Interesting

    They not only started charging for their content, but stuck with it long after other companies had moved to horifically low paying internet ads. The result is that people who subscribe to the WSJ online expect to pay for content, whereas people who use other news sites expect to get their news for free.

    1. Re:To be fair to the WSJ by hansoloaf · · Score: 3, Insightful

      I think you need to consider the audience that the WJS sells to. Business people do not mind paying for business-oriented content. Look at The Economist, FT, etc for examples along with WSJ.

      Meanwhile for general news, NY Times tried the walled garden and it failed.

    2. Re:To be fair to the WSJ by geekgirlandrea · · Score: 4, Informative

      Deducting it as a business expense is only free to a self-employed end user if said user is paying a 100% marginal tax rate. This is unlikely to be the case.

  4. Welcome to the 21st century. by seekret · · Score: 2, Funny

    It's about time something like this happened. I am sick of hearing all the talk from newspapers about how evil the Internet is because they can't sell papers anymore, now maybe that they have finally decided to use a payment method for online news they will shut up. Will I actually pay for any of it? Probably not, I don't care that much about the type of news that is always reported in physical papers and there are plenty resources for science and tech news around that are not as concerned with the bottom line as the Dow Jones.

  5. Good pitch by njfuzzy · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Great marketing-- The only people who lose out are the consumers! That'll show the bastards!

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  6. I have an idea by Palestrina · · Score: 4, Funny

    Maybe the public should start charging for making the news? Those damn newsies having been leeching off the deeds and misdeeds of the ordinary public from the beginning. Why should they get our stories for free? If it wasn't for us, the news would just be bad fiction printed on cheap paper. We should go on strike. No one do anything newsworthy for a week. That'll teach 'em!

    1. Re:I have an idea by sorak · · Score: 2, Insightful

      No one do anything newsworthy for a week.

      We tried that. It backfired when the networks re branded it as reality programming.

  7. high-quality journalism by harmonise · · Score: 4, Funny

    which will charge Web users for access to high-quality journalism.

    Does high-quality journalism even exist anymore?

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  8. So let me get this straight... by Itchyeyes · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Hinton is saying that the only people who shouldn't be happy with his new business plan are the very people he needs to voluntarily pay for his service? Somebody didn't think this through.

  9. Really... by Areyoukiddingme · · Score: 5, Insightful

    ...which will charge Web users for access to high-quality journalism.

    So... they'll do quality fact checking back to prime sources, not Wikipedia?
    And... they'll report conflicts of interest not only among their subjects but with their corporate overlord?
    And... they'll report which moneyed interests stand to gain, every time?
    And... they'll never ever ever accept paid publicity or promotional materials and report them as news?
    And... they'll stop reporting what Britney Spears is doing?
    And... they'll never invent another word like Brangelina again?
    And... they'll carefully write political copy using neutral, non-loaded words and phrases, without bias?

    Color me skeptical...

    I would laugh, but it's too farkin' pathetic. "High-quality". Right...

    1. Re:Really... by Gizzmonic · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Your knee-jerk cynicism changes nothing. As bad as the press is, a world without them would be even worse. Instead of celebrity-driven news like CNN, you'd have Stan the Basement Blogger picking apart a press release from Apple ad nauseum. And there is no guarantee of bloggers' neutrality, either. Good journalism costs money-yet doing good journalism doesn't often make money, and often can hinder an organization's ability to make money. The US needs a BBC.

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    2. Re:Really... by Areyoukiddingme · · Score: 2, Insightful

      It wasn't knee-jerk cynicism. It was carefully considered, well-informed, long-nurtured cynicism.

      Other than that, you're right.

  10. Targeting finance consumers? by stefanlasiewski · · Score: 2, Funny

    I don't think Dow Jones is targeting the average consumer, but are targeting higher-end financial consumers, investors, financial advisers, etc. Maybe they are mostly "old" people ;)

    In the financial world, there are still plenty of vendors who charge for their content-- Barron's, financial newsletters, Bloomberg's "Professional" news products, etc.

    Overall, these vendors generally (But not always) provide good-quality, in-depth articles and opinions. People will read their copy of Barron's like a student reads a book, complete with bookmarks and highlighters.

    While the free sites are cheap, many of the news sites are filled with noise, the forums are filled with scams (The comments at finance.google.com are entertaining to read).

       

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  11. The Missing Link by SuperKendall · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Dow Jones is getting set to launch a new aggregator, akin to Google News, which will charge Web users for access to high-quality journalism.

    Great idea.

    The only problem is a complete lack of high quality journalism today.

    Since they plan to aggregate instead of provide something new, the idea is dead before it began.

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  12. Re:Why should I pay when there are alternatives? by larry+bagina · · Score: 4, Informative

    The WSJ does provide compelling, unique content. Maybe not for you, but for a lot of people. In the print world, they're the #2 newspaper. (Number 1 is USA Today, largely due to hotel deals)

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  13. Sorry, there's no going back now by mstroeck · · Score: 2, Funny

    News will now remain free. If the major providers put their shit behind pay-walls, one of two things will happen:

    1) There's already a thriving eco-system of ad-financed blogs and other sites that basically do nothing but sift through, reword and extensively "quote" the stuff behind the login-prompts. These sites will just get bigger and stronger, eventually hiring more of their own staff. Since that's 90% of what traditional newspapers have been doing since the dawn of time, there is more than enough precedent for this business model.

    2) If the going get's really tough, Wikinews or some other major non-profit payer will become as hugely popular as Wikipedia is now. If Britannica or Brockhaus had made all their content available for free under a reasonably license for personal use, Wikipedia would probably not be where it is now.

  14. Sounds liike it's just a bigger walled garden by Orange+Crush · · Score: 2, Funny

    I've tended to roll my eyes at the newspapers whining about Google "stealing" their content. Changing their robots.txt is all it takes to keep Google's filthy little mits off their precious news sites. Of course, that also kills all of the free traffic the Google drives to their site--and pay wall or no, no readers means no ad views, clicks, and subscriptions.

    Now . . . what exactly is this new model being proposed? Letting Google aggregate all the little news snippets and blurbs, but funneling all that traffic to a bigger walled garden containing multiple publications for a single fee is what this sounds like. If they get enough people on board, it might work. Or it might go the way of most non-porn paysites on the Internet and fail miserably. (My money's still on the "fail miserably" end result. I'm not seeing what's so terribly innovative about this.)

    Newsgathering costs money, sure. And there should be ways of making that money. But it's going to take a bit more cleverness on the newspaper's parts than simply publishing online behind a pay wall. If they can't figure that out, then they deserve to fail and be replaced with something that does figure it out.

  15. Re:logic? by bertoelcon · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Wait I didn't realize slashdot was primarily news, the articles are just fluff. The comments are always a better read if you want to read a story.

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