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British Library Puts Oldest Surviving Bible Online

Peace Corps Library writes "BBC reports that about 800 pages of the earliest surviving Christian Bible, the 1,600-year-old Codex Sinaiticus manuscript, have been recovered and put on the Internet. 'The Codex Sinaiticus is one of the world's greatest written treasures,' says Dr. Scot McKendrick, head of Western manuscripts at the British Library. 'This 1,600-year-old manuscript offers a window into the development of early Christianity and first-hand evidence of how the text of the Bible was transmitted from generation to generation.' The New Testament of the Codex Sinaiticus appears in Koine Greek, the original vernacular language, and the Old Testament in the version, known as the Septuagint, that was adopted by early Greek-speaking Christians. For 1,500 years, the Codex Sinaiticus lay undisturbed in a Sinai monastery until it was found in 1844 and split between Egypt, Russia, Germany, and Britain. It is thought to have survived because the desert air was ideal for preservation and because the monastery, on a Christian island in a Muslim sea, remained untouched, its walls unconquered. The British Library is marking the online launch of the manuscript with an exhibition which includes a range of historic items and artifacts linked to the document. 'The availability of the virtual manuscript for study by scholars around the world creates opportunities for collaborative research that would not have been possible just a few years ago.'"

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  1. Crowdsource it by Viadd · · Score: 4, Funny

    But is it wiki'd so that people can make corrections to it?

    1. Re:Crowdsource it by hansraj · · Score: 5, Funny

      Yes, but you need to be in God-mode for the editing feature to be enabled.

    2. Re:Crowdsource it by davegravy · · Score: 4, Funny

      That's a redundant security feature. God won't allow changes to the work that are not intended by Him.

    3. Re:Crowdsource it by PrescriptionWarning · · Score: 4, Insightful

      And since God is infallible, there are no changes that were not intended by Him!

  2. Genesis I by Hognoxious · · Score: 5, Funny

    1 In the begining was the psot. And it was frist.
    2 And yea, I faileth it.

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  3. Potential for translations by IndustrialComplex · · Score: 5, Funny

    I'm really interested to see what different translators come up with. Now that it's been made available, there is going to be a wonderful opportunity to compare translations and interpretations from a much more 'original' source.

    Though, I have this nagging feeling that "And it was Good" might also be interpreted as "Sorry for the inconvenience."

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    1. Re:Potential for translations by jwthompson2 · · Score: 5, Interesting

      The text of Sinaiticus has been reviewed by scholars already and is part of the critical apparatus used to construct the UBS and NA modern Greek texts of the New Testament. Never mind that we also have manuscripts of individual books that predate even Sinaiticus by 200 years. This is an interesting development in terms of making the text more broadly available, but the impact of Sinaiticus on the actual translations we use today has already happened.

      From the standpoint of textual criticism and biblical translation this is a non-story. From the standpoint of broad accessibility this is a great development. Remember that serious scholars have been able to get facsimiles for this text for years...

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    2. Re:Potential for translations by Darkness404 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Actually I plan on pointing out the major discrepencies as a sign that the bible is in fact fallible and has been manipulated to change it's message over the centuries.

      What major discrepancies? Yes, there have been a few changes over the years by different translators, typos, etc. But I don't think any of them could be considered major. There are many different ways to translate things from any language. And there weren't any copiers back when the first books first came out. Yes, we can't pretty much be guaranteed that Paul's letters that are in the bible differ slightly from those Paul himself wrote. However, the message is kept constant. If you question the bible with several old sources, you would have to put the same scrutiny in a lot of other historical texts to make sure they haven't been manipulated through the ages where we have a whole lot less evidence than with the bible.

      With several additonal books that aren't in the current versions one has to wonder why the "words of god" Would be left out.

      ...Because they contain contradictions compared to the other books? And how do you mean that they have been left out? Any person who has had any type of Christian training for anything high ranking has studied the books. Just because they aren't in everyone's Wal-Mart bibles doesn't mean that they aren't studied, just that most Christians and the early church doubted that they came from God.

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    3. Re:Potential for translations by camperdave · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Variants in the text are already noted in the footnotes of most bible translations. As another poster mentioned earlier, this is a non-event as far as textual criticism goes. Scholars have had access to photographic copies and to the genuine article for decades. What makes this newsworthy is that now non-scholars have some access.

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    4. Re:Potential for translations by Xtifr · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Let me guess: you're either posting from somewhere outside America (most likely Europe), or you're Roman Catholic. American Evangelical Christians do not accept that the Bible is fallible, nor do they recognize denominations that do as actually being Christians! (Yes, as far as a large percentage of Americans are concerned, the Catholics are no more Christian than the Latter Day Saints or the Rastafarians or the Tibetan Buddhists.)

      Being Christian definitely does not mean you're a "religious nutjob" as GPP suggested, but, on the other hand, thinking that Christians are all religious nutjobs is not an entirely unreasonable position for an American. In America, those that aren't are very nearly lost in the noise (the nutjobs are very noisy), and can be dismissed as a statistical anomaly if you're not paying careful attention.

      Frankly, if some of the sane and smart Christian out there (and I know they're out there) would speak out more often and more loudly against the religious nutjobs who proclaim so vehemently that they are the only true Christians, I would have a lot more respect for Christians in general.

      Furthermore you reveal your own prejudices when you assume that someone who doesn't approve of the Christian nutjobs must be an atheist. I assure you that there are plenty of Jews, Moslems, Hindus, Buddhists, Unitarians, Pagans, just plain agnostics, and even a fair number of Christians (especially Catholics) who would be just as happy to slap these fruitcakes who claim to be the One True Christians with a common-sense fact or two.

    5. Re:Potential for translations by robot_love · · Score: 4, Informative

      And anyway, atheism is a religion like not collecting stamps is a hobby. It's not like we have secret handshakes or anything.

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  4. Celebrate! by i.r.id10t · · Score: 4, Funny

    ..... and the old priest looked at the original copy, and came out crying.

    When asked why, he looked at the young novice and said "the word is CELEBRATE not CELIBATE"

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    1. Re:Celebrate! by Matimus · · Score: 4, Informative

      I know you are joking, but the Bible says nothing about priests or celibacy. That was invented by the catholic church in the 12th century so the church could get around paying for the children of priests.

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    2. Re:Celebrate! by Red+Flayer · · Score: 4, Informative

      More than paying for the children... it was about title to the lands.

      When a wealthy lord had too many sons, he would have the extras sent either to serve in the military (which cost money, but it was part of the dues to the liege), or to the church. This conveniently got the extra sons out of the way so that his lands could be passed in entirety to his first son.

      The son(s) shipped to the church would get a nice title, if the lord donated enough cash (or preferably, land) to the church when he sent his son to them.

      The problem is that when some of these sons had sons of their own, they wanted to pass those lands to their sons... and the Church wanted to keep those lands. This caused schisms between the Church and the lords who supported the Church. So the solution was to require celibacy. Then those lordlings could not have sons inherit those lands. If they recognized an heir, then they were guilty of celibacy and the lands were forfeit to the Church (and the lordling would lose their title).

      I'm not sure I explained it as well as others could... but the point is that it wasn't just about paying for the children of priests, it was about holding onto the bequests that came in exchange for appointing the sons of Lords to high office.

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    3. Re:Celebrate! by Thanar · · Score: 5, Interesting

      In warning against those who forbid people to marry, St. Paul was referring to Gnostics who taught dualism which viewed material things as bad, and thus rejected marriage and procreation. He was not referring to the Christian practice of celibacy which recognizes the great good of marriage but "have renounced marriage for the sake of the kingdom of heaven" (Matthew 19:12).

      Celibacy is a charism, a gift given by God for the building up of the Body of Christ. It is not given to all ("Whoever can accept this, ought to accept it" (Matthew 19:12). Speaking of his own celibacy, St. Paul says, "I wish that all were as I myself am, but each has a particular gift from God, one of one kind and one of another" (1 Cor 7:7).

      In the Catholic Church, celibacy is imposed on no one. Rather, in the western rites of the Catholic Church, candidates for the priesthood are chosen from those who have freely promised celibacy. In the eastern rites, candidates for the priesthood are chosen from both married and celibate men, but bishops are chosen only from celibate priests.

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  5. Written Before Christianity Was PAGANIZED by Philip+K+Dickhead · · Score: 4, Interesting

    1600 years old, from earlier manuscripts that pre-date Constantine's adoption of Christianity as a state religion.

    It has no mention of a resurrection.

    For example, St Mark's Gospel ends 12 verses before later, revised, versions - omitting the appearance of the resurrected Jesus Christ.

    The incorporation of Osiris/Attys/Adonis/Mithras cultism, which dominated the eastern empire with it's symbolic resurrection theology was key to the success of Constantine's venture. It was so deeply held a belief, the bishops under Constantine may not even have realized they were fabricating and innovating.

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    1. Re:Written Before Christianity Was PAGANIZED by Darkness404 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      ...Yet why would many of the followers of Christ before that time go to their deaths believing it if it were a lie? I mean, if you helped lead a lie about a resurrection would you die because of it? Or would you simply shut up when people threatened you? Yet there is no evidence that any of them did that. Why would Paul write so strongly about the resurrection even in prison? Heck, why would Paul leave his life of luxury as a Jewish leader stoning Christians if he didn't experience something supernatural?

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    2. Re:Written Before Christianity Was PAGANIZED by gnick · · Score: 5, Informative

      Why would Paul write so strongly about the resurrection even in prison?

      What makes you think that Paul wrote that gospel? The Bible was assembled by committee and included the the works submitted and voted in. Is it based on faith alone that you assume that the gospels were not embellished before publication?

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    3. Re:Written Before Christianity Was PAGANIZED by dgatwood · · Score: 5, Informative

      It has no mention of a resurrection.

      Mod parent down. That's not correct at all.

      1. Codex Sinaiticus mentions the resurrection many times. What is omitted is the description of the Gospel of Mark. The description in the Gospel of Luke, however, is NOT missing from that text. At best Codex S. supports the theory that the ending of Mark was added later---a theory that a fair number of biblical scholars hold, mind you.

      2. Codex Sinaiticus was either written in the last few years of Constantine or after his death. This proves nothing about Constantine's effect on the early church. You'd need something at least a hundred years older.

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    4. Re:Written Before Christianity Was PAGANIZED by Hognoxious · · Score: 5, Insightful

      But it isn't responding to a troll, PKD is correct.

      They should call it Paulism instead of Christianity.

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    5. Re:Written Before Christianity Was PAGANIZED by gnick · · Score: 5, Funny

      Paul wrote NO Gospel.

      OK. I absolutely have to correct this. There were four gospels, one of them Paul's. First came John, then Paul, then George, and finally Ringo.

      Oh, crap... I may be mixing theology here... OK fine. His story is an epistle - I stand corrected.

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    6. Re:Written Before Christianity Was PAGANIZED by Hognoxious · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Why would L. Ron Hubbard give up his writing career to spawn a religion?

      He saw there was more money in it?

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    7. Re:Written Before Christianity Was PAGANIZED by BRSQUIRRL · · Score: 5, Informative

      It has no mention of a resurrection.

      C'mon. Why is it that people who are otherwise intelligent, rational thinkers suddenly turn that part of their brains off when it is time to attack Christianity?

      Jesus' resurrection is also recounted in the gospels of Matthew (28:1-10) and Luke (24:1-35), passages which are present in the Codex.

    8. Re:Written Before Christianity Was PAGANIZED by Rostin · · Score: 4, Informative

      Paul's writings predate the gospels. They are generally accepted to be the earliest in the New Testament.

      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paul_the_Apostle#Writings

    9. Re:Written Before Christianity Was PAGANIZED by Rostin · · Score: 4, Interesting

      I've read a few articles about "edit wars" between Paulinists and the early Christians, in which Paul gradually was inserted to a prominent role.

      I'm not trying to be a dick, but I'd appreciate a source or two. I've never heard of this before, and I'd like to read them for myself.

      (Paul is, interestingly, also the source of most of the "old testament doesn't apply anymore, except for some bits, but we're not going to tell you exactly which!" dogma)

      Oh? The text I see most frequently cited in this connection is the account from Acts 10 of Peter's dream about food.

    10. Re:Written Before Christianity Was PAGANIZED by uniquename72 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Unfortunately, all I have to believe any of this are translations of translations of recollections years after the fact. Do you know any U.S. soldiers in Iraq? I do, and 2 out of 3 of them believe Saddam was involved in 9/11, and would happily have died believing that ridiculous lie.

      Judging Truth based on how many people believe it -- particularly when those people died 2000 years ago -- is beyond asinine.

  6. Ancient Manuscripts in a Digital Age by schmidt349 · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Sinaiticus is arguably one of the most important discoveries in the history of the textual transmission of the New Testament. Add an exciting controversy involving either idiot Greek monks who had quite literally dumped it in the wastepaper bin or a conniving Russian manuscript hunter-turned-thief making up lies to cover his crimes and you've got a great story that never fails to turn up fundraising dollars.

    That said, I wish they could produce software for the examination of the codex that doesn't suck. But because they refuse to release the database of manuscript photos for public download (even though, at least in the United States, those images are uncopyrightable and therefore in the public domain) enterprising folks like me can't build a better system and give it away to people. So you have to suffer with their terrible system if you want to examine the manuscript. It's typical conservator behavior, building unnecessary walls against access to information that should be free.

    We really really need to start making sure that digital copies of the ancient literary patrimony are available for free with no conditions -- i.e., in the public domain, but apparently everyone is too interested in fighting for scarce research grant dollars to produce something that all of their academic competitors could use.

  7. Re:The validity of this manuscript ... by schmidt349 · · Score: 4, Informative

    If there's a substantial OT manuscript dating to the 4th cent. BCE on consensus then I'd love to see it.

    The reason why Sinaiticus is so important is because it substantially a transcript of what is agreed to be the most accurate record of the original text of the New Testament. It's called the "Alexandrian text-type." Almost all of the tiny fragments that predate the fourth century (and they are very scanty indeed) agree with the text of Sinaiticus extensively. As a result, Bible scholars believe that the alterations we find in later manuscripts are untrustworthy corruptions rather than viable alternate readings.

    As to the textual corruption that took place in the late first and second centuries AD we have very little evidence and therefore no remedy. Christians believe that God would not have permitted His word to be corrupted beyond our ability to understand it. I am an atheist and work extensively on ancient Greek textual criticism so you can imagine I do not have much patience for this point of view, but the fact is that the New Testament is the most well-attested ancient Greek or Latin text still in existence. Even Vergil's Aeneid, for which we have three manuscripts predating the fifth century CE, is not supported so well, and in the cases like the tragedies of Sophocles we are on much shakier footing.

  8. On the Web? I find this surprising by Bemopolis · · Score: 4, Funny

    I would think that the Bono Act would have ensured that this work was still under copyright.

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  9. Re:Bible 0.1.1-beta by g_adams27 · · Score: 5, Interesting

    No, what they reveal is the tremendous accuracy of today's modern translations compared to the papyrii and codeces of antiquity. After all, consider the state of Christianity in the first few centuries A.D. - a bunch of "heretics", hated by the Jews, persecuted by the Romans, and driven underground. It was in that environment that the gospels and letters of Paul, Peter, John, etc. were copied, distributed, re-copied, distributed some more, etc.

    Were there transcription errors? Sure. You try copying something the size of the Bible in secret, by hand, while fearing for your life! But we can reconstruct the original readings of the books of the NT with tremendous accuracy.

    Your insistence that Christians must equate "the literal word of God" with "infallible transcriptions, every single time a book of the Bible is copied" is just plain wrong. That's not what most Christians believe. They believe that the method God used to preserve the text was to have it copied quickly and widely before any single organization could control the process and make "secret" alterations to the Scripture. (Conspiracy theorists who hint darkly about secret councils that burned books or suppressed certain ancient Christian beliefs tend to forget that, even if that was possible, there were no such organizations or counsels like that for many, many centuries . Compare that with Uthman Ibn Affan, who decided which copy of the Qur'an would be canonical, then gathered together and burning all other copies that differed from the official version. Christianity has nothing like that.

  10. Re:The validity of this manuscript ... by schmidt349 · · Score: 4, Informative

    Actually, the "corruptions" appear in every new Bible. They are listed in the footnotes. The King James text actually contains all of them in the text itself. This dynamic is well understood and nobody is freaking out over it.

    Well, nobody who practices Christianity. It's an example of deliberate blindness to textual defects that would cause infinitely more doubt and discussion if their context was not as emotionally felt as one's relationship with one's God. These variants were never problems in the early church and they are not not in Catholicism and the Orthodox churches because there is a very long tradition among them that church fathers, even today, can transmit to their followers the ultimate meaning of God's message and effectively channel God's will through themselves. Protestants are long since severed from that tradition, and their dependence on the determinacy of the text destroys the power of their message. I'm convinced that you cannot have a good knowledge of the history of the textual transmission of the Bible and be a Protestant.

    Papyrus fragments predating Siniaticus contain most of the New Testament if you look at all of them as a whole.

    That's possibly true but totally irrelevant. The intrinsic reliability of a papyrus fragment is not determined by its age, and if you try to piece together a text based on nothing but papyri of completely different provenances and values you're going to get a Frankentext that looks far worse than even a comparatively late but integral and complete exemplar. I am extremely well-trained in textual criticism and I don't appreciate your snarky comments. If you want to whip out your degrees I'd be happy to compare, but don't think that passive-aggressive appeals to what you think is my lack of understanding will help you.