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How Heavy Is a Petabyte?

Jon Morgan writes "Whilst heaving around numerous data storage systems to sell (they weigh A LOT!), we got to wondering: How heavy is a Petabyte of data storage? Our best guess is 365KG, which is 6 million times lighter than in 1980! But is there a lighter way to store a Petabyte?"

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  1. library of congress by SoupGuru · · Score: 5, Funny

    How heavy is a Library of Congress?

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    1. Re:library of congress by troutinator · · Score: 5, Informative

      According the Library of Congress' website they have approximately 32 million books. A bit of googling turned up that an average book weight about 12 ounces. So, 32 million * 12 ounces = 10,886,216.9 kilograms

    2. Re:library of congress by SoupGuru · · Score: 5, Insightful

      See, this is why I love slashdot. Ask a silly question and more often than not you'll get an answer.

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    3. Re:library of congress by camperdave · · Score: 5, Insightful

      A year is two AU wide, about 300 million km.

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    4. Re:library of congress by Smidge204 · · Score: 5, Funny

      If we take a book to have approximately 7000 BTU per pound when incinerated (newsprint is about 7,500) then we get 437.5 BTU per ounce.

      So 1 LoC = 14,000,000,000 BTU or 14,770 gigajoules.

      Finally! A heat unit LoC equivalent!
      =Smidge=

    5. Re:library of congress by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Interesting

      10,886,216.9 kilograms or 10.9 kilotons is slightly less than one Hiroshima.

      So if every book in the Library Of Congress was made of TNT and you detonated them all together, the total yield would be slightly less than one very small atomic bomb. Fuck.

    6. Re:library of congress by Ambiguous+Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

      So when some asks you "How wide is this circle?" do you tell them the circumference? If someone asks you, "How wide is this desk?" do you provide them the length of the perimeter?

      I propose that your definition makes less sense than any of this. :)

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    7. Re:library of congress by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

      A year is actually 0AU wide, 6 months would be 2AU

    8. Re:library of congress by CarpetShark · · Score: 4, Funny

      See, this is why I love slashdot. Ask a silly question and more often than not you'll get an answer.

      And it's usually, "fuck off" ;)

    9. Re:library of congress by Cryacin · · Score: 5, Funny

      What if we want a silly answer?

      There's always dig.

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    10. Re:library of congress by nrlightfoot · · Score: 4, Insightful

      That's about half of what 1 terabyte of magnetic storage weighed in 1980, so I guess that in 1980 books still had better information density than magnetic media.

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  2. Need conversion to units of Libraries of Congress by AcidPenguin9873 · · Score: 5, Funny

    What are these Petabytes of which you speak? America measures data in units of Libraries of Congress.

  3. MicroSD by jeffb+(2.718) · · Score: 5, Informative

    ...weighs something like 300mg/card. That's 48GB/gram, or a bit over 20g/TB, or 20Kg/PB.

    1. Re:MicroSD by Burning1 · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Technically, if you don't count the hardware to read the data, we could simply remove the hard disk platters from the drive. Since most of the drive's weight is made up of the casing and read electronics, it would probably swing the data/weight ratio back in the favor of hard disks.

  4. Cloud computing by Sta7ic · · Score: 5, Funny

    Just stick the petabyte on the cloud! Clouds are as light as air!

    (why yes, I am from Marketing, why do you ask?)

  5. About 2 Kilos by BBCWatcher · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Nobody knows exactly how much data the average human brain can hold, but one estimate is 500 to 1000 TB. If the average adult human brain weighs about 1.3 or 1.4 Kilos, then "about 2 Kilos" would hold 1 Petabyte.

    1. Re:About 2 Kilos by Kaeles · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I'm no expert in this field but I think the link that you provided had underestimated the human brain by many orders of magnitude. The human brain is not a hard drive. I don't think there is even any counterpart to it in current computer technology (maybe quantum computing?), whatever that is, so the comparison is meaningless. The brain doesn't just "store" information like a hard drive. It analyses, modifies, categorises, correlates, extrapolates, fills in missing blanks, filters and blanks out others and many other things that we are just beginning to discover. For example, a human child will quickly grasp the concept of doors and doorknobs, without any "programming" (I've had toddlers so believe me on this). This is why I think A.I. enthusiasts will ultimately fail.

      People like you drive me nutters. The human brain has billions of years of evolutionary programming built into the seperate layers of the brain, there are so many built in functions that we don't even realize it in normal everyday activities. For example, your brain is "hardwired" from birth to recognize human faces, and to emit "happy juice" when the faces are familar or matched with motherly smells. Just because its not programmed after birth, does not mean that the hardware itself is not built for the task. This is no different from creating a custom asic or fpga for doing GA's or ANN's.

  6. "But is there a lighter way to store a Petabyte?" by John+Hasler · · Score: 4, Funny

    Sure. Store it in a WOM chip. They only weigh a few grams, hold literally unlimited data, and are really fast.

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  7. Re:Work it out in your head by John+Hasler · · Score: 4, Funny

    They probably want an error rate lower than 10%.

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  8. It depends.. by Qwell · · Score: 4, Funny

    Are you storing mostly 1s or mostly 0s? Everybody knows they don't weigh the same.

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    1. Re:It depends.. by IHawkMike · · Score: 5, Funny

      Here's an interesting discussion on the topic ;)

  9. Re:Theoretically quite close to zero ... by RajivSLK · · Score: 4, Funny

    Or you could just stick a mirror "out there". The light would quite conveniently come back at you. Or you could sneak around the other side of the universe and wait for the light...

  10. A lot heavier than... by marcus · · Score: 4, Interesting

    and a lot bulkier than...

    a few strands of DNA.

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  11. Re:How much does a "full" HDD weigh vs. an empty H by Darkness404 · · Score: 4, Funny

    Oh, and BTW, when a person dies does the body weigh a tiny amount less after the sole leaves?

    Depends on the shoe they are wearing. On a boot, no, its a large amount, on sneakers, yes it might be a tiny amount.

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  12. Re:Cloud computing-Clouds in Elephant Units by Nom+du+Keyboard · · Score: 5, Informative

    Clouds are as light as air!

    A common misconception, and just saying it on Slashdot doesn't make it true. Clouds weigh more than elephants - much more. In fact, you can learn the weight of clouds in elephant units here.

    Not only that, but clouds are usually darker than the air around them.

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  13. Already answered by slasho81 · · Score: 5, Funny

    This subject has already been discussed.

  14. Try using Micro SD cards instead by kroyd · · Score: 5, Insightful
    With 32gb cards weighting 0.5 grams one terabyte should require 32 cards, or 16 grams. 1024 terabytes should then weight 16384 grams, or a bit more than 16kg.

    I don't think there is a storage media with higher density available commercially right now - and probably not until the 64GB microsd cards becomes available.

  15. Re:Minimum mass of a Petabyte by the_other_chewey · · Score: 4, Informative

    For example, it seems to me like a "full" drive seems to physically weigh more than a blank one, sort of like a full battery is noticeably heavier than an empty one.

    Wrong on both counts. A "full" magnetic hard drive platter just has its magnetic domains aligned in a certain pattern.
    Those domains are physically there whether they are used for data storage or not. So the weight will be indentical.

    A battery does indeed become lighter when "emptied" - according to E = mc^2 and the energy that came out of it.
    However, this is way, way, way under anything you would be able to notice.

    An AA alkaline battery can deliver about 10000 Joules (http://www.allaboutbatteries.com/Energy-tables.html) - so
    a discharged (= "empty") AA alkaline will weigh m = E/c^2 or roughly 10^-10 grams less than a charged one.

    That's 0.1 nanograms. About 100 human skin cells. No, you won't notice that.

  16. Re:There is a way! by Thiez · · Score: 4, Informative

    Insightful? Assuming you can perfectly remember 1 byte per second, you'd be memorizing for over 100 million years. The human brain is great and all that, but no way are you going to store that much data while being able to reproduce it later.

  17. Re:Minimum mass of a Petabyte by monopole · · Score: 5, Informative

    That was my dissertation topic, conventional systems require ~kT per bit (k is the Boltzmann constant = 1.3806503 Ã-- 10-23 m2 kg s-2 K-1 and T is the temperature of the gate in Kelvin) for each read. Quantum systems can access well below that by various trickery (single photon optical computers can reduce this by a thousandfold). In theory a individual photon can hold huge amounts of data in it's state vector before collapse. The trick is making a measurement on enough of these photons to extract the info you need while overcoming shot noise.

  18. Re:Cloud computing-Clouds in Elephant Units by rjhubs · · Score: 5, Funny

    and all of this sits upon a tortoise? Amazing!

  19. Re:No, a bettery wouldn't get any lighter by dido · · Score: 4, Interesting

    But you are converting mass into energy and energy into mass even in this case, although the amounts are ridiculously small in the case of chemical reactions, which is why conservation of mass is a more than reasonable approximation in chemistry. The mass is stored in the molecular binding energy of the battery's chemicals, and converted into the energy used when the battery discharges. For example, if you weighed very very carefully a bunch of hydrogen gas, a bunch of oxygen gas, and the water you got after combining the two (in a fuel cell reaction, which we can think of as the simplest sort of battery from a chemistry point of view), the water would weigh ever slightly less than the hydrogen and the oxygen, though the difference would be extremely small, since the binding energy difference of a water molecule versus that of hydrogen and oxygen molecules is only a few tens of electron volts, about 10^-35 kg or thereabouts, which amounts to a difference of about a quadrillionth of a gram for one mole of water. For nuclear reactions though, the binding energies we deal with are millions of times greater, and E=mc^2 is much more obvious. For instance, in the nuclear fusion of the two helium-3 nuclei to produce one helium-4 and two free protons, the helium-4 and the two protons weigh less than the original helium-3 nuclei by about 12.86 MeV/c^2, or about 6 milligrams less than if we started with a mole of helium-3 at the beginning of the fusion reaction.

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  20. Re:Cloud computing-Clouds in Elephant Units by cerberusss · · Score: 5, Funny

    No, not just one. It's tortoises all the way down, young man.

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