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Memristor Minds, the Future of Artificial Intelligence

godlessgambler writes "Within the past couple of years, memristors have morphed from obscure jargon into one of the hottest properties in physics. They've not only been made, but their unique capabilities might revolutionize consumer electronics. More than that, though, along with completing the jigsaw of electronics, they might solve the puzzle of how nature makes that most delicate and powerful of computers — the brain."

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  1. Oblig. wiki-link by Eudial · · Score: 4, Informative
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    1. Re:Oblig. wiki-link by Requiem18th · · Score: 3, Funny

      The first place being xkcd

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  2. I'm always taken back by this by msgmonkey · · Score: 2, Interesting

    That we've developed a whole industry based on an incomplete model, I wonder how things would have developed if the memristor had existed 30 years ago. Exciting times as a lot of things will be re-examined.

    1. Re:I'm always taken back by this by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

      Probably nothing significant, seeing as you can emulate exactly what a digital memristor does with 6 transistors and some electricity always applied. Memristors in CPU/logic would not be viable because of their low wear cycles and very high latencies. It would make for some nice multi-terabyte sized USB sticks though.

      As for its analog uses, Skynet comes to mind...

    2. Re:I'm always taken back by this by Marble1972 · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Probably nothing significant, seeing as you can emulate exactly what a digital memristor does with 6 transistors

      Exactly right.

      It's not a hardware breakthrough that'll create a true AI - it's an algorithm breakthrough that's required. Faster computers might be nice - but it'll always comes down to the algorithm.

      And actually the sooner we create Skynet - the better the chance we have to beat it. Because if we wait too long - that super fast hardware it will be running will could make it too hard to beat. ;)

    3. Re:I'm always taken back by this by peragrin · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Of course if you currently multiply the 100 million or more transistors in a current cpu by 6 you don't have any kind of problem do you? Of course a memresistor is closer in design to a permanent RAM Disk. You can turn off the system as much as you want but it instantly restores you right from where you left it.

      Now that it is proven all that matters is figuring out how best to use it and what limitations it has.

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    4. Re:I'm always taken back by this by Yvanhoe · · Score: 3, Informative

      No. This is a lot of gross overexageration.
      Our computers are Turing-complete. Point me to something that is missing in this before I get excited. This new component may have great applications, but it will "only" replace some existing components and functions. It is great to have it but it is nothing essentially missing.

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    5. Re:I'm always taken back by this by madkow · · Score: 2, Interesting

      And actually the sooner we create Skynet - the better the chance we have to beat it. Because if we wait too long - that super fast hardware it will be running will could make it too hard to beat. ;)

      Or the better chance we have to learn live with it. James Hogan's 1979 book "The Two Faces of Tomorrow" details a plan to deliberately goad a small version of a self aware computer (named Spartacus) into self defense before they built the big version. When Spartacus learned that humans were even more frail than he and equally motivated by self preservation he chose to unilaterally lay down arms.

    6. Re:I'm always taken back by this by Requiem18th · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I don't know, with a 10,000 write limit If my brain was made of memristors I'd be terribly mortified.

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    7. Re:I'm always taken back by this by GigaplexNZ · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Memristors in CPU/logic would not be viable because of their low wear cycles and very high latencies.

      That's a current manufacturing limitation, not something inherent to what a memristor is. Had these been discovered much sooner, we would be much better at manufacturing them and they probably would have made a significant impact.

    8. Re:I'm always taken back by this by Sponge+Bath · · Score: 3, Informative

      This talks about neuronal replacement. It looks like your brain may have a write limit, it just automatically replaces worn out bits.

    9. Re:I'm always taken back by this by ceoyoyo · · Score: 4, Insightful

      "Repeat after me" is really annoying. If you're going to be that irritating you'd better have some pretty strong evidence to back yourself up. Where is it?

    10. Re:I'm always taken back by this by ceoyoyo · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Ah yes, the "our computers are incredibly powerful and we've tried it and it didn't work so the whole class of solutions is obviously ruled out" argument.

      Before you make (extremely condescending) statements that something is impossible, you should at least make sure you qualify your terms properly.

      "I think it's very unlikely that using current neural network algorithms on computers with current or near future capacities will produce a strong AI" would be a good start.

      We certainly do not know what the limits of "neural networks" (as a general class of algorithms) are. We also don't have anything like the computing power to properly simulate a neural network with a capacity where we'd expect to see "intelligence."

      You might be correct. Then again, you may well not be. Even if you are, the only people who will listen to posts like yours are people who already agree with you.

    11. Re:I'm always taken back by this by Lord+Kano · · Score: 2, Interesting

      It's not a hardware breakthrough that'll create a true AI - it's an algorithm breakthrough that's required. Faster computers might be nice - but it'll always comes down to the algorithm.

      Fast enough computers will allow us to develop algorithms genetically. Come up with a set of parameters and let evolution do the job for you.

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  3. Electrical Memristors Don't Exist Yet by indigest · · Score: 5, Informative
    From the article:

    What was happening was this: in its pure state of repeating units of one titanium and two oxygen atoms, titanium dioxide is a semiconductor. Heat the material, though, and some of the oxygen is driven out of the structure, leaving electrically charged bubbles that make the material behave like a metal.

    The memristor they've created depends on the movement of oxygen atoms to produce the memristor-like electrical behavior. Purely electrical components such as resistors, capacitors, inductors, and transistors only rely on the movement of electrons and holes to produce their electrical behavior. Why is this important? The chemical memristor is an order of magnitude slower than the theoretical electrical equivalent, which no one has been able to invent yet.

    I think the memristor they've created is a great piece of technology and will certainly prove useful. However, it is like calling a rechargeable chemical battery a capacitor. While both are useful things, only one is fast enough for high speed electronics design for applications like the RAM they mentioned. On the other hand, a chemical memristor could be a flash memory killer if they can get the cost down (which I doubt to happen any time soon).

  4. Re:Don't forget also by CarpetShark · · Score: 2, Insightful

    (Without contempt or disrespect) religion is a great example of how far you can get with an incomplete model. Enlightenment, which some would argue is the highest human state, is taught with nothing more than vague contradictions that hint at a different way of thinking. Most religions use similar techniques to some extent, and I suppose most education must to some degree as well.

    That said, I think religion could not have come first, as it's basically a specialised educational system. Besides, you can't teach religion before you teach words, objects, etc.

  5. Re:Tha's goint to be the NEXT BIG THING by Yvanhoe · · Score: 3, Informative

    AI needs new algorithms to progress. Electronics will not change the way we program computers. They are already Turing complete, a new component adds nothing to the realm of what a device can compute. Expect a revolution in electronics, but IT people will not see a single difference (except maybe a slight performance improvement)

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  6. Artificial intelligence? by pieterh · · Score: 5, Insightful

    The amazing thing is that we consider individual brains to be "intelligent" when it seems pretty clear we're only intelligent as part of a social network. None of us are able to live alone, work alone, think alone. The concept of "self" is largely a deceit designed to make us more competitive, but it does not reflect reality.

    So how on earth can a computer be "intelligent" until it can take part in human society, with the same motivations and incentives: collect power, knowledge, information, friends, armies, territories, children...

    Artificial intelligence already exists and it's called the Internet: it's a technology that amplifies our existing collective intelligence, by letting us connect to more people, faster, cheaper, than ever before.

    The idea that computers can become intelligent independently and in parallel with this real global AI is insane, and it has always been. Computers are already part of our AI.

    Actually, the telegraph was already a global AI tool.

    But, whatever, boys with toys...

    1. Re:Artificial intelligence? by dcherryholmes · · Score: 5, Insightful

      But I could stick you on a deserted island all by yourself and you would still be intelligent, right? I'm not denying that we are deeply social creatures, nor that a full definition of an organism must necessarily include a description of its environment. But I think you are confusing the process by which we become intelligent with intelligence itself.

    2. Re:Artificial intelligence? by hitmark · · Score: 2, Insightful

      and here i keep observing that the overall intelligence in a room drops by the square of the number of people in said room...

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    3. Re:Artificial intelligence? by Hurricane78 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      None of us are able to live alone, work alone, think alone.

      Did you come up with this because of your own ability to do so?
      Because except for reproduction, we can easily survive our whole life alone.
      Sure it will be boring. But it works.

      The idea that computers can become intelligent independently and in parallel with this real global AI is insane, and it has always been.

      Says who? You, because you need it to base your arguments on it? ^^
      You will see it happening in your lifetime. Wait for it.

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  7. Re:Tha's goint to be the NEXT BIG THING by 12357bd · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Old designs were not fully explored, ie: Turing's 'intelligent or trainable' machines. This kind of electronics can do those old concepts viable, that's IMO the NEXT BIG THING, not just algorithms (looped circuitry is not hard to simulate, is hard to predict).

    The Von newman architecture of our 'computers' was just one possibility, not the only or the best, just the convenient. New hardware processing habilities, could lead to new kinds of maybe not 'programable' in the current sense of the word, but 'trainable' machinery.

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  8. Free transistors by w0mprat · · Score: 3, Informative

    Transistors are naturally analog, it's only that we force them to be digital. If we are prepared to accept more probabilistic outputs then there are massive gains to be had http://www.electronista.com/articles/09/02/08/rice.university.pcmos/. Work is being done with analog computing too.

    I think memristors will be complimentary to existing rather than a revolution on their own yet analog transistors would have George Boole flip-flopping between orientations in his grave.

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  9. whatever by jipn4 · · Score: 2, Interesting

    In the 1970's, the big breakthrough was supposedly tunnel diodes, a simpler and smaller circuit element than the transistor. Do our gadgets now run on tunnel diodes? Doesn't look like it to me.

  10. Practically Turing complete. by reiisi · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Woops. Posted this below in the wrong sub-thread. Oh, well, post it here, too, with this mea culpa.

    Not until we have infinite tape and infinite time to process the tape are our computers truly Turing complete.

    Moore boasted that technology would always be giving us just enough more tape. I'm not so sure we should worship technology, but so far the tech has stayed a little ahead of the average need.

    Anyway, this new tech may provide a way to extend the curve just a little bit further, keep our machines effectively Turing complete for the average user for another decade or so.

    Or not. If Microsoft goes down, the average user may soon realize he has been seriously duped about computational needs.

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  11. wrong level of complexity by reiisi · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Kludge a lot of state machines together and you can simulate stack machines to a certain limit.

    Kludge a lot of context free grammars together and you can simulate a context-sensitive grammar within certain limits. But it takes infinite stack, or, rather, infinite memory to actually build a context-sensitive grammar out of a bunch of context-free grammar implementations.

    Intelligence is at least at the level one step beyond -- unrestricted grammar.

    (Yeah, I'm saying we seem to have infinite tape and infinite stack, even though mortality is a little hard to see beyond.)

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  12. It was 1960s, and they were quickly obsoleted by Kupfernigk · · Score: 2, Informative
    The Esaki (tunnel) diode is a two terminal device which basically exists in two states (I am simplifying, I know) at two different currents. Its weakness is that (a) it requires a current source to keep it in one or the other state and (b) both input (changing state) and output need amplifying devices. As soon as cmos become fast enough things like tunnel diodes were dead in the water because a cmos transistor does its own amplifying, and requires almost no power to keep in one state rather than the other.

    Therefore, a device which requires effectively no power to keep in one of two states, and has much greater speed than either flash or magnetic domains would be a step forward compared to the current state of the art.

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  13. Re:Tha's goint to be the NEXT BIG THING by 4D6963 · · Score: 2

    I stand corrected and withdraw my GP comment!

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  14. The brain is not a computer. by FiloEleven · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Citation.

    See especially points
    6 - No hardware/software distinction can be made with respect to the brain or mind,
    7 - Synapses are far more complex than electrical logic gates,
    10 - Brains have bodies,
    and the bonus - The brain is much, much bigger than any [current] computer.

    It's past time for this idea to die.

  15. Re:Tha's goint to be the NEXT BIG THING by monoqlith · · Score: 2, Informative

    No. I don't think the solution will be algorithms running on existing digital electronics.

    Our brain is an analog machine. Its plasticitiy is not limited to two discrete states. Therefore, the 'software running on hardware' model for how intelligence works is not the most efficient explanation. Our brains operate the way they do because of they way they are organized, not because they are programmed in the sense we usually understand it. To put it another way, the software 'instructions' (algorithm) and the information processing(the processor) are really the same component in our intelligent machine. The mind is not software running on the brain - it *is* the brain.

    In my opinion, the first artificial mind will be structured in a similar way, not in the processor-memory paradigm, but in the 'learning circuit' model. This is so because we have 'prior art' (from nature) that demonstrates that this already works for creating an intelligent machine - us.