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Plastic Circuits Designed To Enable Tough, Green Computers
DanS writes "Computerworld has an article about two Australian engineers who have invented 'Circuits in Plastic' technology. CIP designs aim to be more environmentally friendly than traditional circuits as they can be made from recycled plastic, don't contain any hazardous substances, and since packaging is part of the base circuit board, there is no need for additional packaging material. As an added bonus, different 3D shaped circuits can be made using CIP, which are also waterproof. No more ruining cell phones by getting them wet! The hope is that the technology will reduce the amount of toxic electronic waste in landfills, as even with lead-free technology, etching of existing printed circuit boards (and disposal of the chemicals) is a significant issue during manufacturing."
I'd love to start using this tech in my prototypes. The big question of course is how this stuff compares to an equivalently functional traditional PCB in price.
Another question that comes to mind has to do with the well established design principles used in RF level circuits. Parasitic capacitance calculations and all of the nastiness that goes along with it will become even more like black magic now that it has crossed into the third dimension.
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If this process is going to be mainstream they'll have to get some kind of cost benefit attached, otherwise the only way there is going to be a switch is through legislation.
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According to the article the circuits can be made from recycled plastic and then when they are ready to be retired the components of the circuits themselves can be recycled into new circuits. Seems like it really is a bit of a step up in several ways.
Of course now our electronics will have to be added to the list of things we can't just throw away when they quit working. I mean... there's plastic IN there.
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Now they can finally build the CIP firewall!
How will they achieve this without encasing all the components in the plastic, even if the board conductors were all encased (it's not like the anti-solder screen [green stuff on the board] could not be made waterproof and I think it already is) at least some of the components simply cannot be (due to heat dissipation problems). I have made completely waterproof circuit boards (simple PWM stuff, they don't generate enough heat for it to be an issue), the only connectors are rated for underwater and the board encased with epoxy, not really repairable though...
So anyways, since some of the components must be exposed they will have exposed connectors ergo water getting in will short-circuit it.
I don't know if it would work to use only such active components that have connector-bar on the underside and then just encase it up to the sides but this would add significant cost (connectors themselves, size of components -> board size...) and repair would still be out of the question.
So the battery is encased in plastic as well and thus can't be recharged by an external connection?
There are also no other external connectors like headphone jacks or USB ports?
There are plenty of technologies to waterproof electronics, they are just limited by the above inconveniences. The reason that the traditional circuit manufacturing technique is so environmentally unfriendly is because it is incredibly cheap. There are all sorts of ways it could be made more environmentally sound (like not shipping "recycled" electronics to Africa/China to be broken up by children), but it is not going to happen without significant market or government intervention.
And plastics aren't that great environmentally to begin with, even if they contain significant amounts of recycled material.
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Wireless power, wireless headphones, wireless computer sync. Cell phones tend to lead the way in these wireless matters anyway, they have every reason to say these will all be plausible before this becomes mainstream.
See my point above about heat dissipation, encasing everything in plastic that is very poor conductor of heat is not an option.
If everything is enclosed in plastic how does the heat get out exactly?
One of the major reasons many businesses outsourced their electronics production was because of environmental and workplace safety issues due to the heavy metals and solvents used and left over. If widely adopted, this sort of thing could jump start a mini industrial revolution. I would think that re-usable components would reduce the cost of replacement parts on all electronic devices, especially with widespread adoption. Do you have any idea how many perfectly good resistors and capacitors lie in landfills? And the amount of chemical waste to produce those wasted components... Big business would have to be pretty ignorant to pass this one up if it works half as well as it appeared to on the video. Also, as someone who has worked in most aspects of electronics manufacture (PCB fab, IC fab, IC packaging, and SMD / through hole assembly and test from r&d to mass production scales), I could see this process being more efficient and less costly than current SMD and PCB manufacturing. Hard to say for sure without finding out more, but this looks hopeful!
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The article tells us: “At the end of the circuit's life the components are mechanically disassembled and recycled which means a lower carbon footprint compared with the shredding and incineration of traditional circuits.”
There's a link from that, too, but I don't see any specifics on this mechanical disassembly process. Just another task to be performed by the underpaid Chinese underclass, or would we actually be encouraged to pull our own elderly computers to bits?
http://www.abc.net.au/tv/newinventors/txt/s2616421.htm
If anybody is interested the two inventors of this technology where recently on the ABC's show "New Inventors". The episode they were in is here (mp4 format). Or you can probably find the clip which has only their invention here.
Embedding electronic components and circuit pathways into hunks of plastic sounds like a fairly obvious evolutionary step up from the printed circuit board. If they can make the manufacturing process is cheap enough, I can't see why it wouldn't be the standard for consumer electronics in the foreseeable future.
Some downsides to consider:
Prototyping will be more difficult. If you discover a fatal bug in a non-trivial circuit, it can't be jumpered or otherwise worked around easily.
Calling it a "green" technology is insidious. Sure the manufacturing processes may involve fewer chemicals, but the resulting hunks of plastic are going to be much more difficult to recycle than components laid out on a PCB. The electronics industry is already a throw-away-when-obsolete economy, this will only help expand the concept further.
Hackers are going to have a much more difficult time modifying and repurposing their gear. You can't just solder and desolder the components and rewire things to make them do what you want. I guess many manufacturers will consider this a security feature (e.g., no more modchips on video game consoles). Reverse engineering hardware will also be more tricky. Where you might have needed a screwdriver before, you'll now need a drill.
Upsides to consider:
Building your own computer will basically be like playing with big Legos with drives, memory, and GPUs inside them.
I had to go check and, yep, my current cell phone is completely encased in plastic. It would seem that thermal issues are not the problem you make them out to be. Is there some indication that these new plastics would somehow be less thermally conductive?
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The Griffith university site has well over a dozen pages sparsely filled and with essentially zero technical information about this. Amazing.
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I cannot find anywhere how this system interconnects the components.
They write about the issues of current technology (solder containing lead, chemicals for etching PCB boards), but don't give an insight how their technology works around these problems. Encasing your whole device in plastic is neat, but the components will still have to be interconnected.
How? I cannot find it in the article, nor on the site of Griffith University.
The technology, if works as described, is perfectly awesome in itself — a way to build electronics, that's cheaper, water-proof, and needs no external casing. That it is also "greener" is a nice addition, but the editor's write-up over-emphasizes it, like it is the most important aspect. It simply is not...
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I don't think anyone else has bothered to put together several interesting recent developments. For power you use the cadmium-salt nanotech solar cell tech, on either side, the base is this five-layer circuitry, the display would be liquid paper, possibly, or perhaps OLED, or both, and toss in the recent Apple patents-pending for an improved touch interface. Oh, yes, perhaps you could also tap into the body's natural electrical field and heat for additional power. Add a wireless visor display, subdermal voice communications as well.Numerous kinks to work out, de-glitch, etc., but do-able, very do-able. Flexible bracelet form, natch. The flexipad is born (from the Axis of Time series by John Birmingham).
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I wonder if the RepRap guys are excited about this. This could be very good news for them, they are already trying to have the RepRap make circuits.
More to the point, what current cellphones are damaged by getting them a bit wet? Quite a few people I know have dropped their phones into puddle, down drains, and (in one case) into the toilet and had them work. One person I know dropped his phone in the sea. He needed to wash it off with fresh water to make sure there was no salt corroding the circuits and then leave it to dry before turning it back on, but that was all.
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I saw this. The designers claim it works out about 10% cheaper than conventional PCBs.
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I'm not seeing any of that. Perhaps your hardware, OS, or connection are flawed.
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Does the circuit board biodegrade over time? If so, it's a manufacturer's dream! We can keep selling over and over!
Maybe I used the wrong word, not my native language...
The cell phone likely has some places where air can get in and out, earpiece and mic at the very least. I meant that the whole circuit and all the ICs would be completely inside the plastic (though I had totally forgotten about them fancy comformal coatings), same idea as dipping the whole thing in expoxy.
It does become a problem if the heat can't get away, at the very least component lifetime would significantly shortened (though who cares whether the thingamagick dies in 10 vs 3 years if expected usable lifetime is 3 years anyways because the field moves so fast).
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That all depends on what type of plastic it is and how it is made. Perhaps you didn't know that before Du Pont received a patent on making nylon from synthetic polymers plastic was made from plants. The old Cellophane plastic wrap was made from plant cellulose. Kodak used to make film from cellulose. Today bioplastics are making a comeback. Despite the recession, their market is expanding.
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The hope is that the technology will reduce the amount of toxic electronic waste in landfills
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What in the sechs is that?? Plastic is already killing out planet and using more will help? Wow.
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