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Cruising Fisherman's Wharf For New Passports' Serial Numbers

schwit1 writes "Fox News has an AP story on a hacker in San Francisco driving around and needing as little as 20 minutes to be successful in acquiring a passport number: 'Zipping past Fisherman's Wharf, his scanner detected, then downloaded to his laptop, the unique serial numbers of two pedestrians' electronic US passport cards embedded with radio frequency identification, or RFID, tags. Within an hour, he'd "skimmed" the identifiers of four more of the new, microchipped PASS cards from a distance of 20 feet. ... Meanwhile, Homeland Security has been promoting broad use of RFID even though its own advisory committee on data integrity and privacy warned that radio-tagged IDs have the potential to allow "widespread surveillance of individuals" without their knowledge or consent.'"

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  1. Security by tsa · · Score: 4, Insightful

    It's strange that politicians and other managers seem to have a totally different idea of the meaning of the word 'security' than other people.

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    1. Re:Security by innerweb · · Score: 4, Insightful

      What the heck do you think they intended the RIFD passports for? They are meant to be used to track people. They are working as intended.

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    2. Re:Security by Hurricane78 · · Score: 3, Insightful

      You act as if they were interested in your security at all.
      Which just shows how effective their strong twisted reality is. It even affects you to the point where you believe they would be acting ouf of the interest of the people. :)

      Don't worry, we all fell for it. As long as we learn from it, that is ok. :)

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  2. Re:Nothing to worry about... by blackraven14250 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    And safety is really easy to come by in a hotel in Somalia.

  3. Re:Nothing to worry about... by camperdave · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Or you could, you know, stick the thing in the microwave for ten seconds. Enough to zap the chip, not enough to toast the paperwork.

    Good luck trying to cross the border with your "forged" passport.

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  4. Re:Gosh... by Atmchicago · · Score: 3, Insightful

    [sarcasm]Yes, heaven forbid the United States catch up with the rest of the developed world and get a system that works better while costing less.[/sarcasm] Passport security and health systems have nothing to do with each other, please let you brain do the thinking, not your mouth or your gut.

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  5. Re:Nothing to worry about... by MojoRilla · · Score: 3, Insightful

    No, people shouldn't have to pay $20 for a way to make this technology safer. The government should improve their own shielding, and use more secure protocols for RFID transmission.

  6. Re:Nothing to worry about... by six11 · · Score: 2, Insightful

    And safety is really easy to come by in a hotel in Somalia.

    I'm sorry, did you have some kind of point? The story was talking about San Francisco.

    Were you kidding?

    If US passport data can be easily acquired in San Francisco (where US citizens generally don't carry them), then it follows that said data will be abundant in areas where people are likely to carry passports. Somalia was just an example. Replace it with your favorite vacation getaway spot, if you like.

    blackraven's comment is +5 insightful IMO.

  7. Big Brother Concerns? by madsheep · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Well I am completely against the apparent weak encryption and their lack of shielding but I think the big brother concerns are a little overblown. I don't think this is part of some massive systems to track us. Unless the U.S. is setting up this massive trackng network on cruise ships and all over foreign countries... I don't think it will suck in much.. unless of course they enjoy getting receiving data from my passport that always reports that I am 1) at home or 2) on my way to the airport. Seriously.. what U.S. citizen carries their passport everywhere they go domestically?

  8. Re:Dupe of a dupe of a dupe. by Metasquares · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Yes, but the people in charge still haven't listened!

  9. tracking by TheSHAD0W · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Yeah, and I'm less concerned about passports being counterfeited than I am about people carrying US passports in other countries being targeted for mugging. Those passports are valuable, you know.

  10. Re:Yes and no by Hillman · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Well, if it's like in Québec, we still have to pay for college. It's very subsidized, so we pay a little less than 2k$ a year. The loans are there so you can concentrate on your studies instead of working full time. Most people will work part time though.

    And we can choose our health care. The only difference is that the doctors are paid by the state instead of by me. Only my doctor can make health care decisions, not a faceless bureaucrat or a CS rep from an HMO. And because there's no administrative overhead(about 1% instead of 30% in the USA) it's less expensive.

    But I won't lie to you, if you have the sniffles and go to an emergency room, you're gonna wait a long time. You should go to a clinic(free also) for these minor conditions.

    English second language here, so don't mind the grammar/spelling....

  11. Here, let me fix that for you by Dachannien · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Meanwhile, Homeland Security has been promoting broad use of RFID because its own advisory committee on data integrity and privacy warned that radio-tagged IDs have the potential to allow "widespread surveillance of individuals" without their knowledge or consent.

    Fixed.

  12. Re:hmmm... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    We live in a country who's military funded by the federal government "protects" other countries.

    If my house is on fire, the fire is managed by a fire department funded by my municipal government

    Law enforcement is provided by a police or sheriff's department funded by my city or county government

    I drive to work on roads whose maintenance are funded by my county or state government

    I was educated at public schools funded by my county and state government

    Fixed that for you.

  13. Okay.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

    It says it grabbed the "Serial number" - not all the passport information.
    Is the serial number even the same thing as the passport number, or is it just the serial number of the RFID chip?

    Is that even necessarily a passport? Could it be something else using similar RFID technology they picked up?

  14. Re:Nothing to worry about... by kklein · · Score: 2, Insightful

    In at least some states (Massachusetts for one) out-of-state ID isn't accepted for alcohol purchases, but federal ID like a passport is.

    Whenever I've run into that, I've pointed out that it is clearly unconstitutional (Article IV, Section 1; full faith and credit clause).

  15. Re:Nothing to worry about... by michaelhood · · Score: 2, Insightful

    The joke among bouncers evidently is: the guy who shows up with a passport probably lost his license for too many DUIs.

    Or prefers to present his passport because it doesn't get scanned (magstripe), and doesn't have your home address or even home state printed on it.

  16. Re:Passport RFID borders on criminal negligence IM by Builder · · Score: 2, Insightful

    You've obviously never travelled to a dodgy African country - there is NO way that you trust anyone to hold your passport as it's your only way out when the shit hits the fan.

    Plus, theft is rife even in the 'nicer' hotels in some of these shitholes.