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Endeavour's Launch Once More Delayed

schleprock63 writes "NASA has delayed the launch of Endeavour due to inclement weather, mostly lightning. According to NASA, 'Cumulus clouds and lightning violated rules for launching Endeavour because of weather near the Shuttle Landing Facility. The runway would be needed in the unlikely event that Endeavour would have to make an emergency landing back at Kennedy. Endeavour's next launch attempt is 6:51 p.m. EDT Monday. NASA TV coverage will begin at 1:30 p.m.'"

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  1. News? by fm6 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I think it's only news when a shuttle launch isn't delayed.

    1. Re:News? by sexybomber · · Score: 2, Funny

      What's NASA's record for successful first tries? Does Mission Control have to buy the crew a beer when they get back if the shot goes up on the first attempt?

    2. Re:News? by fuzzyfuzzyfungus · · Score: 4, Funny

      Since nobody will have to be flying tonight, I recommend tang with vodka: the "Buzzed Aldrin"...

    3. Re:News? by Jerry+Rivers · · Score: 2, Funny

      >Tang is the Mandarin word for "sugar."

      It's also the English word for "piss".

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    4. Re:News? by Abreu · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Well, considering that the Launchpad received multiple lightning strikes, I think it was wise to delay the launch...

      After all, anyone who's read Pratchett knows that that's the way gods like to ask you to pay attention

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  2. really? I think they are too cautious here by imrehg · · Score: 2, Funny

    I've seen it before, the Endeavour can land even in an unused riverbed in LA! Just have to have the right pilots...

  3. Whatever happened to replacements for the shuttle? by plasmacutter · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Whatever happened to the considerable R&D projects to replace the shuttle with a new model?

    your average laptop has considerably more computing power than the first shuttles had, and while the electronics have been updated, the engineering behind the overall superstructure, propulsion, etc are equally dated.

    When last I heard, the proposals being considered represented a potential 30% cost reduction, and they were looking for better.

    What happened to those?

    Building those would create jobs across the board across the entire income and skill spread of the american populace, and it would dramatically reduce the risk of mortality for those we send into space for research and save us money in the future which we will need to balance out the tremendous spending currently underway*

    *(yes.. yes.. feel free to giggle or outright guffaw at this last point, but there is still a very slim chance we'll have some fiscally responsible politician elected some time)

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  4. Re:Whatever happened to replacements for the shutt by camperdave · · Score: 4, Interesting

    When last I heard, the proposals being considered represented a potential 30% cost reduction, and they were looking for better.

    The DIRECT team has presented their Jupiter design before the Augustine panel and the Aerospace Corporation who are going to do an "apples to apples" comparison of the various launch vehicles. Hopefully these panels will choose the Jupiter launch vehicle as the most practical way forward.

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  5. Re:I bet that the delay flights witch... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

    All true, but I bet the astronauts wish they had a "just launch this fucker" button they could push to override the worry warts in mission control.
    Lightning at 20 miles, who cares! Lets get on with it!

  6. Re:Whatever happened to replacements for the shutt by dicobalt · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Blowing people up into space is not spaceflight. It's hard to do and it's dangerous yea - that's my point. It is not by any means spaceflight. The vehicles always have some problem, they are incredibly delicate for something that gets mashed around with such vibrations and g forces. What if your car needed to be 80% gastank and you could only drive for a few minutes? The vehicles are so laughable in their usefulness. Now it's not like we have any alternatives, what I am saying is there needs to be some. Rockets sure as hell are not going to be the answer to a space age. Does any space agency take this fact seriously? Do they try to come up with new stuff? It would be a primary mission I would think. NASA and co should be the ones operating colliders trying to come up with basic research and answers to the physical problems.

  7. space is wrong place for "latest&greatest" tec by ChipMonk · · Score: 4, Insightful

    The technology NASA uses for human-based space exploration is never the latest-and-greatest. The risk to the on-board human crew can be reduced by knowing the most likely failure modes of all the technology involved. Remember, it took some years before the effects of cosmic rays on dynamic RAM were proven. That's why NASA stuck with magnetic core memory for so long.

    The autonomous vehicles, like the Spirit and Opportunity probes on Mars, can use newer technology, and can even give us demonstrations of how the newer tech behaves when exposed to the harsh conditions of outer space. But when human lives are involved, the older, well-understood technology gives the best odds of a successful mission.

  8. Re:Whatever happened to replacements for the shutt by confused+one · · Score: 2, Informative

    they were all cancelled. Until the Columbia accident, Congress didn't seem too interested in funding a program to replace the shuttles. Right now, it's still not clear, with the funding for the Constellation program being in question.

  9. Re:Whatever happened to replacements for the shutt by FleaPlus · · Score: 5, Informative

    Whatever happened to the considerable R&D projects to replace the shuttle with a new model?

    Off the top of my head, here's a quick summary of the various serious efforts into creating new manned spacecraft over the past 10-15 years:

    • DC-X: A low-cost VTVL prototype built under a $58 million contract, which is still regarded by many as an ideal approach to an orbital vehicle. Plans were to create incrementally larger versions of it which would eventually be able to attain orbit in a cost-effective fashion. Unfortunately, during one of its flight tests a field technician messed up the landing gear, so it fell over when it landed and was destroyed (1996). The company told NASA it'd need $50 million to build a new one, but NASA used the opportunity to cancel the project so it could instead give more funds to the billion-dollar X-33/Venturestar project. Its spiritual successors are John Carmack's Armadillo Aerospace and Jeff Bezos's Blue Origin. In fact, the secretive Blue Origin company has hired several of the former DC-X engineers. One of the Armadillo members has a great write-up of the DC-X here: http://media.armadilloaerospace.com/DCX/
    • X-33: Interesting project which would have tested a bunch of fascinating technologies (e.g. composite cryogenic fuel tanks, metallic thermal protection, an aerospike engine, lifting body design). Unfortunately, NASA really should've tried testing those technologies individually first, instead of putting every single one of them in the critical path of a new vehicle design. Oops. I believe the main problem ended up being the composite fuel tank, and when that failed the entire project (which had used up a billion dollars thus far) had to be canceled in 2001.
    • Orbital Space Plane: A low-cost vehicle intended to launch on already-existing EELVs, started in 2003 and expected to start carrying crew by 2010. In 2004, this project was transferred to the Crew Exploration Vehicle project.

    Now, the currently ongoing projects and contenders:

    • Crew Exploration Vehicle: This is a little complicated. Back in 2004, the Crew Exploration Vehicle was announced, and it was assumed it'd be similar to the Orbital Space Plane project it derived from: a low-cost capsule which could be launched on already-existing EELV rockets like the Delta IV Heavy or Atlas V. This went through a number of stages of design studies and competitive flight tests planned, with unmanned tests by 2008 and unmanned tests sometime in the 2010-2014 range. Unfortunately, in 2005 Michael Griffin came in, proclaimed that he had a superior design and tossed out all the prior work. Although he claimed his design was simpler and faster, and commissioned NASA studies to "prove this," history has pretty well proved that his design (now the Ares I) was nowhere near as simple and straightforward as he thought it would be. Instead of the plan to have low-cost CEV launching on existing vehicles it had before, NASA currently has the Ares I which has an ever-increasing cost, currently around $35 billion. The per-launch cost is also expected to be as much as or higher than the space shuttle. Oops.
    • DIRECT: A bunch of undercover NASA engineers who didn't believe Ares was the best solution but were afraid of retribution from Griffin, so they anonymously released a plan they thought was superior. Since it's Shuttle-derived it's certainly more expensive than an EELV-based design, but would have a larger payload.
    • EELVs: These rockets are already used regularly to launch payloads for NASA and private industry, and most of the final proposals for the pre-Griffi
  10. Re:Whatever happened to replacements for the shutt by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

    They used and still use older model CPU's because they are much easier to radiation harden. I'm sure you can appreciate that when you're traveling thousands of miles an hour you would prefer your flight controls to display correct alpha-numeric properties. Radiation hardening is much more important than processing power, it's not like they're playing Crysis up there or anything (that I know of anyway).

  11. Re:Whatever happened to replacements for the shutt by FLaSh+SWT · · Score: 2, Interesting

    your average laptop has considerably more computing power than the first shuttles had, and while the electronics have been updated, the engineering behind the overall superstructure, propulsion, etc are equally dated.

    We were interviewing Buzz Aldrin on Friday and he brought up the fact that everyone mentions how his cell phone has more processing power than the computer they had on Apollo 11. He said something to the effect that he'd still take that Apollo computer over a newer off-the-shelf computer because it was built specifically for the job and they knew every little thing about it. (I was taking photos not conducting the interview so that isn't exact but is pretty close.)

  12. Re:Whatever happened to replacements for the shutt by FLaSh+SWT · · Score: 2, Informative

    it's not like they're playing Crysis up there or anything (that I know of anyway).

    Crysis! They can't even watch DVDs up there, remember?

  13. Closest to Equator? by tjstork · · Score: 3, Informative

    Who's bright idea was it to put the main launch facility in *Florida*.

    I think the deal is that the closer to the equator you launch from, the cheaper it is. That's why the French launch Ariane from a complex in French Guyana.

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  14. Not quite...there are more reasons by Kupfernigk · · Score: 2, Informative
    Conservatism about CPUs comes for a variety of reasons, all of which I like. First, it is much better to use an inherently rad-hard technology than to radiation harden an existing design. Rad-hard technology tends to lag commercial technology because it is much, much more expensive. Second, however, modern processor technology is in some ways the enemy of reliability. With things like out of order execution, multilevel cache and the release of cpus that have minor microcode bugs that are fixed with CPU drivers, it's hard to produce a verified design. Back in the days when I was doing this stuff, the RCA1800 (damn slow), Texas 9989 (good) and the Ferranti F100-L (bad) all had designs simple enough to be fully verified with the tools available, and when you wrote code for them you could actually be sure of exactly what it would do on a clock cycle by clock cycle basis. MMUs add another layer of potential unreliability, so for mission critical stuff a processor with a flat memory architecture where it is possible to state exactly what variable may occupy any memory location at a given point in program execution obviously offers more security blanket per dollar. (Both the CPUs I mention have minimal registers, so that everything gets stored in independently testable external memory.

    Modern designs are amazingly reliable given their complexity but, as you say, you want to be very sure once out of the stratosphere that you know exactly what your little thinking machine is thinking.

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  15. Re:They need to fix the gay British spelling. by Hognoxious · · Score: 3, Funny

    They should have called it Ennever.

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