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Noctilucent Clouds Spread and Mystify

Wired has a feature on noctilucent clouds, once seen only at high latitudes but increasingly visible now lower down the globe. The clouds result from ice crystals at altitudes of 50 miles, higher than five 9s of the atmosphere. What water ice is doing up there, in a region 100 million times drier than the Sahara desert, is only one of the mysteries associated with the clouds. They are a recent phenomenon: the first scientific description of noctilucent clouds was penned in 1885. For a time it was believed that the clouds were an effect resulting from the eruption of the Krakatoa volcano two years before. Since 2002, the clouds have been sighted — and photographed — as far south as Oregon, Colorado, and Utah. Some scientists believe that human-caused climate change is playing a role, but others doubt this. Two satellites are in orbit to study the clouds; NASA's AIM generated this day-by-day movie of clouds in the vicinity of the North Pole during 2008.

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  1. I'm in... by fuzzyfuzzyfungus · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Before the chemtrail conspiracists show up. Somebody break out the Orgone generators!

  2. Just a wee bit sad. by OverlordQ · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Kinda disappointing that the first thing nowadays when people see something new it's that "Wow, humans really stuffed up the planet" instead of "Wow, that's an interesting natural phenomenon"

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    1. Re:Just a wee bit sad. by tsm_sf · · Score: 5, Informative
      It's so much easier to beat up someone who's dying due to not having DDT, and there are a lot more of those around than that one fellow.

      Not to sidetrack this topic, but let's just get this out of the way...

      Rachel Carson never wanted to ban DDT. DDT has never been banned for use in fighting malaria.

      From the wikipedia page on DDT:

      In the 1970s and 1980s, agricultural use of DDT was banned in most developed countries. DDT was first banned in Hungary in 1968 then in Norway and Sweden in 1970 and the US in 1972, but was not banned in the United Kingdom until 1984. The use of DDT in vector control has not been banned, but it has been largely replaced by less persistent alternative insecticides.

      The Stockholm Convention, which entered into force in 2004, outlawed several persistent organic pollutants, and restricted the use of DDT to vector control. The Convention has been ratified by more than 160 countries and is endorsed by most environmental groups. Recognizing that a total elimination of DDT use in many malaria-prone countries is currently unfeasible because there are few affordable or effective alternatives, the public health use of DDT was exempted from the ban until alternatives are developed. The Malaria Foundation International states that "The outcome of the treaty is arguably better than the status quo going into the negotiations...For the first time, there is now an insecticide which is restricted to vector control only, meaning that the selection of resistant mosquitoes will be slower than before."

      Despite the worldwide ban on agricultural use of DDT, its use in this context continues in India, North Korea, and possibly elsewhere.

      Today, about 4-5,000 tonnes of DDT are used each year for vector control. In this context, DDT is applied to the inside walls of homes to kill or repel mosquitos entering the home. This intervention, called indoor residual spraying (IRS), greatly reduces environmental damage compared to the earlier widespread use of DDT in agriculture. It also reduces the risk of resistance to DDT. This use only requires a small fraction of that previously used in agriculture; for example, the amount of DDT that might have been used on 40 hectares (100 acres) of cotton during a typical growing season in the U.S. is estimated to be enough to treat roughly 1,700 homes.

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  3. Re:Well there can be only one answer.... by rockNme2349 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Otherwise, it's a closed system and there's no net change in temperature.

    You know, except for that whole sun thing.

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  4. Re:Dry? by dintech · · Score: 3, Interesting

    This displeases me mightily:

    Some scientists believe that human-caused climate change is playing a role, but others doubt this.

    I've read lots of spiffy evidence to support climate change but it really itches my gizzard when 'scientists' attribute every tiny aberration in the weather to it.

    However, it might just turn out that these clouds are caused by cow farts and thrown away McDonalds wrappers so I should probably just wait for these opposing scientists to finish pansy-slapping each other before I start verbally abusing them from my arm-chair.

  5. Re:The clouds are ALIVE!!!! by ettlz · · Score: 3, Funny

    I'm moving to Arizona... it's the only safe place left!

    Of course! There's only little fluffy clouds out there.

  6. Space Shuttle? by Robert1 · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Aren't they caused by the space shuttle? I could swear there was an article a couple weeks ago on slashdot about it. Basically they found that they tend to form hours after the shuttle launch, particularly around Antarctica. The shuttle's boosters release X tons of water into the high atmosphere, at altitudes water can't regularly attain, which gets caught by high moving winds that drive it south, where they crystallize.

    Interestingly enough we just had a shuttle launch just a couple days ago.

    1. Re:Space Shuttle? by dilvish_the_damned · · Score: 4, Funny

      Further proving there were secret shuttle launches in 1885

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  7. Why The Stripes by AtomicSnarl · · Score: 4, Informative

    The striped nature of the cloud features is probably because the data was gathered by the DMSP Weather Satellites using their low light detection sensors. These do not take a full-earth view of the world as the sun-synchronous GOES satellites do. DMSP vehicles operate in a lower orbit but a high angle and circular orbit. This brings them near the poles, and they cross the equator at roughly 9AM or 3PM locally to take advantage of the sun angle and shadows on clouds. They scan a wide path beneath them in visible and infrared channels, and have been used for years to do night light intensity mapping, such as for light pollution surveys.

    The stripes are the paths from the several vehicles in orbit assembled over time when they passed near the poles.

    Your tax dollars at work!

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  8. Re:Well there can be only one answer.... by drinkypoo · · Score: 3, Informative

    If the hot water vapor left the planet, then the planet would be cooler and we'd have a water shortage to deal with. Otherwise, it's a closed system and there's no net change in temperature.

    Water vapor sheds itself of heat through infrared radiation like everything else. It's radiated in all directions and the rays/photons/however you want to model them have a chance to strike something else and be absorbed on their way out of the atmosphere. Hot air rises and takes with it water vapor, which when it radiates its IR at high altitudes is less likely to heat other air.

    Convection... it's not just for cooking on the cheap

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  9. Re:Or maybe, since temps have flatlined since '99, by sjames · · Score: 4, Funny

    Well, not all mankind anyway. We know because of an incontrovertible nice looking graph that pirates keep global temperatures down. As pirates have declined, temperatures have gone up.

    Meanwhile, most people don't have ships, so they do the best they can pirating music. Without the ships, parrots, and peg legs, they can't be as effective as sea pirates, so they have to pirate a lot of music (latest RIAA figure: 240% of all music is pirated). The number one hindrance to their diligent efforts to cool the planet before it's too late is the RIAA. So, the RIAA is responsible for global warming, QED.

  10. climate change and solar wind by TheSHAD0W · · Score: 3, Interesting

    One of the theories behind the correlation between the sunspot cycle and climate change is that the solar wind tends to deflect cosmic rays from the inner system, and that when sunspots are rare, the solar wind isn't as strong, which allows more cosmic rays to strike the upper atmosphere, generating clouds which deflect sunlight from the Earth. Since up until very recently there's been a sunspot drought, this might indicate a cause.

  11. Re:Or maybe, since temps have flatlined since '99, by RedWizzard · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Or maybe, since temps have flatlined since '99

    Temperatures have not flatlined since '99. That's simply a selective interpretation of the trend. The average temperature anomaly for '95-'99 was 0.468 degrees. For '00-'04 it was 0.572 degrees. For '05-'08 it was 0.665 degrees. How is that flatlined?

    It's pretty clear on this graph.

  12. Re:Dry? by corbettw · · Score: 3, Funny

    You just don't understand how dangerous anthropogenic global warming (AGW) or anthropogenic climate change (ACC) are, do you?

    AGW will re-write your hard drive. Not only that, it will scramble any disks that are even close to your computer. If you are at work, it will download porn to your hard drive and the hard drives of all your co-workers.

    It will recalibrate your refrigerator's coolness setting so all your ice cream goes melty. It will demagnetize the strips on all your credit cards, screw up the tracking on your television and use subspace field harmonics to scratch any CDs you try to play.

    It will give your ex-girlfriend your new phone number. It will mix Kool-aid into your fishtank. It will drink all your beer and leave dirty socks on the coffee table when company comes over. It will put a dead kitten in the back pocket of your good suit pants and hide your car keys when you are late for work.

    AGW will make you fall in love with a penguin. It will give you nightmares about circus midgets. It will pour sugar in your gas tank and shave off both your eyebrows while dating your girlfriend behind your back and billing the dinner and hotel room to your Discover card.

    It will seduce your grandmother. It does not matter if she is dead, such is the power of AGW, it reaches out beyond the grave to sully those things we hold most dear.

    It moves your car randomly around parking lots so you can't find it. It will kick your dog. It will leave libidinous messages on your boss's voice mail in your voice. It is insidious and subtle. It is dangerous and terrifying to behold. It is also a rather interesting shade of mauve.

    AGW will give you Dutch Elm disease. It will leave the toilet seat up. It will make a batch of Methamphetamines in your bathtub and then leave bacon cooking on the stove while it goes out to chase gradeschoolers with your new snowblower.

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  13. Re:RIP by bickerdyke · · Score: 4, Insightful

    ..., such as glaciers melting (and yes, they truly are, worldwide, where I live here in Switzerland, but also in Alaska for example). I understand that there should be healthy scepticism at any scientific claim, but the climate is almost certainly changing, enough so that I can personally see it.

    The climate is definitly changing.

    As it always has been. Sometimes slower, sometimes faster. But in no way that should be an excuse to keep on polluting the planet.

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