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Microsoft Backs Down On Making IE8 Default At Upgrade

Barence writes "Internet Explorer 8 will no longer replace the default browser when a user selects the 'Use express settings' option during installation. Back in May, Mozilla and Opera accused Microsoft of force-feeding users Internet Explorer 8 through the Automatic Updates process. The object of their ire was the 'Use express settings' option which automatically sets Internet Explorer 8 as the default browser. The option was already ticked when Automatic Updates offered users the choice to upgrade their browser. 'We heard a lot of feedback from a lot of different people and groups and decided to make the user choice of the default browser even more explicit,' notes Microsoft in a blog post."

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  1. What crap... by tengeta · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Mozilla can't complain, the last few times I installed Firefox it had an automatically checked box to make it default. Then again, they did complain with Opera, so some stupidity was due.

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    1. Re:What crap... by hodet · · Score: 4, Informative

      ..and does it really matter? Anyone using Firefox or Opera will just click their Firefox/Opera icon like they usually do and be prompted to set it back. The rest of the world who don't know what Firefox and Opera are will continue to use IE.

    2. Re:What crap... by EvilMonkeySlayer · · Score: 4, Informative

      That isn't what Mozilla was complaining about. What Mozilla was complaining about was that IE8 was being delivered as an automatic update, then when it prompts the user whether to use express or custom settings the user of course would deem it just an update and would of course select express not realising it sets IE as the default.

      The reason why it's acceptable that Firefox, Opera etc does this is because the user chose to download the browser. However, since MS pushed IE8 as a critical update through their automatic update service the user doesn't really have much choice. I accept the set as default using express if the user downloads IE8 as a separate download. But through an automatic update? No.

    3. Re:What crap... by xouumalperxe · · Score: 5, Insightful

      However, since MS pushed IE8 as a critical update through their automatic update service the user doesn't really have much choice

      It's slightly more subtle than that. A forced upgrade from IE7 to IE8 doesn't seem much of an issue to me. It defaulting to changing itself to being the default browser doesn't rattle me too much either (though it does annoy me). What really gets to me is the fact that such a huge change in user preferences is "hidden" behind a "use express settings" tick box.

    4. Re:What crap... by lordandmaker · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Well, laziness comes with a price. I guess you're paying it.

      Isn't half the point of a computer that you don't need to pay such a price for being lazy?

    5. Re:What crap... by ElSupreme · · Score: 5, Interesting

      I chose to update to Firefox 3.5, but I still wanted my IE8 as my default browser, but FF3.5 decided to take over the role. I wasn't asked, it just assumed. I don't see how this is any different. People you have to just stop bashing EVERYTHING Microsoft does. They do enough that is cause for alarm, but this just isn't one of them.

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    6. Re:What crap... by Useful+Wheat · · Score: 4, Insightful

      "The reason why it's acceptable that Firefox, Opera etc does this is because the user chose to download the browser."

      You're using a double standard here. I downloaded Google Chrome so I could go and try it out. Give it the benefit of the doubt, and so forth. I didn't need it to be my default browser any more than I needed Opera to be my default browser when I decided to try it out.

      Certainly its easy to fix this. Most of the browsers will demand to be set as the default browser when you open them, but this is a conversation for the new and inexperienced users who don't know how to change that. If they did download Chrome (because Google is pushing chrome aggressively on every page) having it be the default browser could be a huge learning curve.

      Now, I'm all for making users learn something, but eventually they end up calling you on the phone and demand you make it work right.

    7. Re:What crap... by billcopc · · Score: 4, Insightful

      IMO, the reason why it's unacceptable is because this is a freaking upgrade. The preference is already set to whichever browser the user favors, why should it be reset ? The existing choice should be left alone.

      If it's a fresh installation, fine go ahead and toggle it by default, that's a good way to minimize user confusion ("I just installed Thingy 8, where the hell is it?"). If it's an upgrade, just replace those damned files and leave my settings the way they are.

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    8. Re:What crap... by VertigoAce · · Score: 4, Informative

      Under the "Use Express Settings" header it listed everything that would be set. One of the items was "Default Browser: Internet Explorer" (note that it only had this text if IE wasn't already the default). The IE blog has screenshots of this behavior: http://blogs.msdn.com/ie/archive/2009/05/01/ie8-installation-the-user-is-in-control.aspx

      Since that post was written, they've decided to move the default browser page out of the express settings and require users to make a choice (unless IE is already their default browser). You'll notice that the user really does have to make a choice as no option is selected by default (the 'Next' button is disabled until they choose 'Yes' or 'No'). Here's the IE blog post with screenshots of the new behavior, since Slashdot didn't link to it directly: http://blogs.msdn.com/ie/archive/2009/07/16/changes-to-ie8-s-first-run.aspx

  2. Re:Browsers War by IBBoard · · Score: 3, Insightful

    And then you just leave yourself with outdated and potentially bug-riddled software still installed on your machine. The better option would be to remove IE completely if you don't use it, but that's obviously not possible ;)

  3. Re:Browsers War by mlts · · Score: 5, Interesting

    All my machines went to IE8, even though I use Firefox as my browser of choice. Three reasons:

    1: Security. You always want stuff that handles protentially hostile code as updated as possible. IE6 was made for the security threats of 2001. IE8 is made for far more current threats. Nothing is perfect, but IE has gotten a lot better as times have gone on. It has decent clickjacking protection, and seems to have had done a good job in standing up to NSS Labs's security tests.

    2: Features. Auto-zapping all history and cache, and InPrivate browsing make it decently usable for those sites which require IE, or don't work well with Firefox.

    3: Compatibility mode. There are some sites which still assume that everyone is going to be using IE6 for the forseeable future.

  4. Re:Browsers War by Dotren · · Score: 4, Interesting

    If you don't use IE do not upgrade it and it won't change your default browser

    Or you can update it and just be sure to uncheck the "default browser" option. I realize that not everyone knows how to do that but its not one of the harder things to change.

    I do find it funny though that all of these companies are essentially fighting over the users ignorant of how to do such things. I suppose it makes sense in a way, if you can snag the majority of these people, you'll have them for ages AND you'll never have to give them new features because they won't understand how to use them anyways. They'll be endlessly happy with whatever you throw at them as long as it doesn't complicate things any more for them and still lets them access the internet.

  5. What? by Rennt · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Surely the problem was that the update changed the default browser, not that it upgraded the non-default one.

    Usually Microsoft's actions are fairly transparent, but I really can't understand what they are trying to achieve with this policy

  6. Not Uncommon by kevinNCSU · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Good, I hate when installers and update utilities hide crap like that behind "express" or default settings. It's by no means a Microsoft-only trick though, the one I find most annoying is AIM's attempt to install all sorts of toolbar crap hidden behind a default checkbox so you have to uncheck two levels of things to stop it. Even Mozilla does this to some extent to set itself as default, the only difference is anyone who's installed Mozilla probably actually WANTS it to be default, whereas with IE you'll have it rather you want it or not.

  7. I'm willing to let this one slip... by i_ate_god · · Score: 3, Insightful

    ...if it helps continue the death of IE6

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  8. Re:Browsers War by L4t3r4lu5 · · Score: 4, Funny

    What the hell is this? A well structured, informative, and easily accessible statement of reasons why IE8 isn't rubbish? Clearly, you must be new here!

    Kindly fall into line behind the blind F/OSS advocates to add your X to the list of people who think Microsoft is bad like the rest of the sheep without considering any alternate opinion! Your valid reasoning is not welcome here.

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  9. Yes you did by L4t3r4lu5 · · Score: 3, Informative

    In Windows 7, you can uninstall it.

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  10. "In this case, we are afraid to be evil." by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

    The problem with not upgrading is that something else may use the browser, and an old Microsoft browser will be buggy, probably.

    Google: Don't do evil.
    Microsoft: Evil for profit.

    Google: It's finished, but we call it beta.
    Microsoft: It's beta, but we call it finished. (All of our customers are part of our beta test team.)

    "Internet Explorer 8 will no longer replace the default browser when a user selects the 'Use express settings' option during installation. ... 'We heard a lot of feedback from a lot of different people and groups and decided to make the user choice of the default browser even more explicit,' notes Microsoft in a blog post."

    Translation: "We do as much evil as we can. But we are afraid of another anti-trust investigation."

    All my opinion, but I'm not the only one.

  11. Re:Browsers War by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    Since the "whoosh" meme is a bit played out, I'll try a different one: ::Toooooooooooooot::
    Hear that? That's the sound of you missing the boat.

  12. Windows 7 includes IE8... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

    Are you retarded, or a troll?

    IE8 is included in Windows 7.

  13. Re:They stopped trying to force IE8 in May? by DAldredge · · Score: 4, Insightful

    People like you are the reason we have botnets.