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Reasons To Hesitate On Zer01's Unlimited Mobile Offer

alphadogg writes with an excerpt from Network World that might save you some money: "Imagine downloading a two-hour HD movie in three minutes to your new cell phone, then plugging the phone into your TV to watch the film. Make unlimited phone calls, surf online as much as you like and send unlimited text messaging for $70 a month, without a contract. Sign up to sell the same service to other people and get $10 a month for each person you sell to. That's what a group of related companies including Zer01 Mobile, Buzzirk, Global Verge and Unified Technologies Group are promoting heavily online and at industry trade shows. The offer is attractive enough to garner coverage in top business and technology publications, at least one positive review from an analyst and even a 'best in show' award from a magazine at the CTIA wireless industry trade show earlier this year. Does it all sound too good to be true? If so, that's because it probably is. What little information is available about the services is technically inconsistent, and doesn't match up with public records."

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  1. Too good to be true? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    They had me at pyramid scheme.

  2. Oh come on people by Dunbal · · Score: 5, Funny

    Surely email has taught us that we can absolutely trust anything offered for sale by someone u51Ng 1337 sp34k! Shame on you.

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  3. The laws of physics called by Com2Kid · · Score: 5, Insightful

    They want to speak with someone over at Zer01, something about "exceeding sane limitations of the electromagnetic spectrum".

    An HD movie in 3 minutes? Even if they are calling "480p" HD, there is no way in hell that is transfering wirelessly in 3 minutes to a cellular device.

    Trying to sign everyone up as a sales associate just proves it is a scam.

    1. Re:The laws of physics called by sanosuke001 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I have a 1080p copy of a movie at home and it's ~8GB.

      8 GB in 180 seconds = 364.09 mbps.

      um.... no

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    2. Re:The laws of physics called by Com2Kid · · Score: 4, Insightful

      They are claiming use of the 2100mhz spectrum. Given the spectrum they are claiming to be using, there is no way to use cellular technology (wireless towers, multiple customers handled per tower) to get those types of speeds.

      Sure, if they crap all over everyone's licensed EM bands they could maybe pull it off, but even then they would encounter issues with running enough fiber out to every single cell tower to support users on any arbitrary tower pulling down in excess of 200mb/s, assuming a well compressed, somewhat short, 5GB HD movie.

      It is just not possible with using a cellular network laid out how we presently do it. Even using some futeristic weird uber-mesh network it would be hard as hell to pull off, and even then, you would need more than just some small slice of the 2100mhz band.

    3. Re:The laws of physics called by Minwee · · Score: 5, Funny

      An HD movie in 3 minutes? Even if they are calling "480p" HD, there is no way in hell that is transfering wirelessly in 3 minutes to a cellular device.

      Sure you can. I do that all the time. You just need to do away with some of your preconceptions.

      Watch this. On the left I have a phone. It's a standard, off the shelf model, the same kind you can pick up just about anywhere pretty cheaply as long as you're willing to sign in blood.

      On the right, a microSD card packed with about eight gigabytes of hard core, er, family friendly and perfectly legal video. Again, just a standard card you could buy from a store. Well, one that carried SD cards. Perhaps you shop smart, shop SD Mart.

      Start the timer. In less than two seconds I can pick up the card with one hand, move it across the desk and plug it in to the phone. That's eight gigabytes of transfer in two seconds or 32Gb/s. All without using any wires, just fingers and those little metal contact thingies on the card. That's almost as much bandwidth as a station wagon filled with DLTs.

      There you go. 32Gb/s of wireless transmission. Just remember not to divulge any of the details I have shown you to the investors until after you get their money.

  4. Full stop by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    From TFA

    One key player in the network of companies is Mark Petschel. He's the CEO of Global Verge, the multilevel marketing firm...

    Whenever MLM (multi-level-marketing) rears its ugly head, that's a good sign for me to avoid company like the plague.

    1. Re:Full stop by e9th · · Score: 5, Insightful

      When a company's CEO is on probation for security fraud, that's not a good sign either.

    2. Re:Full stop by fuzzyfuzzyfungus · · Score: 4, Funny

      That just means that he is an experienced bad boy with proven interpersonal skills!

  5. MLM by MBCook · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Sign up to sell the same service to other people and get $10 a month for each person you sell to.

    That makes it multi-level-marketing (read: "legal pyramid scheme"), which should be an instant clue to anyone to avoid it.

    Also, reading the article, it's a $70 initial fee to do the MLM part, and $40 monthly fee, which means if you sign up 5 people, it will take 7 months to break even.

    You can probably make money faster by picking up loose change.

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  6. Phantom phone? by interkin3tic · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Does this remind anyone else of the phantom. An electronic device that sounds too good to be true gathering investment money, the people who were supposed to be developing the thing have "offices" which are not really there.

    Of course in this case, one of the guys involved already has a record. At least with the phantom no one was outed as a known fraudster beforehand.

    I'm guessing that in 10 years, Zer01 will come out with a handy device to hold your phone up to your ear for you.

  7. It's funny, and a bit disturbing... by fuzzyfuzzyfungus · · Score: 5, Insightful

    How, on the one hand, society makes it ever harder to escape your past(even shit entry level jobs can come with background and credit checks, never mind trying to get cleared, or the whole sex offender registry thing) while, somehow, certain people just seem to float right through, skipping from one scam to another, seemingly impervious.

    I wonder how it works. Is it the charm that sociopaths are known for that allows certain people to do it? Are the rules different in certain areas? Are most of the barriers actually illusory/psychological? Why doesn't an attempt to legally incorporate a new business include a "do any of your officers have a background in crime, particularly white collar crime?" check?

    1. Re:It's funny, and a bit disturbing... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Funny

      I kept hearing things about some site called "Google", so I tried running it through SiteTruth. Turns out it's some shady, fly-by-night company. Phew! Glad I had SiteTruth to warn me.

  8. Fraud is a good business model by Locke2005 · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Enzyte, despite the conviction of the founder and his mom for fraud, is still in business. They are still heavily advertising on TV, and apparently they are expanding and hiring. So there doing quite well for a company whose business model was proven unlawful in court.

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  9. Ars Technica was a little skeptical too by e9th · · Score: 5, Informative
    Last March, Ars Technica wrote:

    Zer01 says it can offer unlimited cell calls (via VoIP) and cell data through a unique relationship with AT&T. AT&T isn't talking, and the particulars of the deal fly in the face of similar virtual mobile network operator deals past and present.

  10. Movie in 3 minutes? No problem...! by Joce640k · · Score: 5, Insightful

    You can have a two hour movie at 1080p resolution in 1Mb of data if you're not too fussy about image quality.

     

    Resolution is one thing, bitrate is something else.

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    1. Re:Movie in 3 minutes? No problem...! by CecilPL · · Score: 5, Funny

      Here's an example - Star Wars EpIV in 10MB. I'm pretty sure you could compress this below a meg.

      And you can make it 1080p if you increase your font size!

  11. Nice try, submitter by Bookem+Danno · · Score: 4, Funny

    You don't want me to sign up so that when it turns out to be AWESOME later on, you can get 10$/mo for referring me.
    I'm on to your scheme, I WILL BUY A DOZEN!

  12. Re:The lies! by Beardo+the+Bearded · · Score: 4, Insightful

    He's not selling to technical people who can do the math.

    He's selling to people who will hear the pitch and think, "Holy shit, people will line up around the block to get HD movies on their cell and plug it into their TV! I've GOT to invest in this right now, and get in on the ground floor."

    Look at what he's got already: postive reviews, awards, and a front page on /. I guarantee you that the next rounds of adverts in an investment magazine will have these awards highlighted.

    "Holy shit, not only is this a great-sounding idea, but it's won a CTIA award. It's... fucking legitimate! Cut this guy a cheque, and do it before some other asshole does!"

    The system requires travelling to other dimensions with different physics in order to work, but other than that, it's a great idea.

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  13. Re:The lies! by Antony+T+Curtis · · Score: 4, Funny

    The system requires travelling to other dimensions with different physics in order to work, but other than that, it's a great idea.

    Oh great. You had to do it didn't you? You've just provided them a citable reference that they can use to claim "Out of this world service".

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  14. Ditto the fundraising organizations by tompaulco · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Fundraising organizations that help schools, churches, etc raise money for projects are equally as bad as MLM. They are essentially getting FREE labor, and not paying into Social Security, Medicare, providing benefits or anything. Many times the schools have to pay up front for a certain amount of product, and if they don't sell it they are stuck with it. There is almost no risk for the fundraising organization while the school or Church or whatever shoulders most of the risk or shares the risk with the parents of the underage labor pool. Meanwhile, the corporate campuses of some of these outfits are just insanely lavish and huge. Their only real cost of business is sending people out to beat the drums at the schools and churches.

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