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Manager's Schedule vs. Maker's Schedule

theodp writes "Ever wonder why you and the boss don't see eye-to-eye on the importance of meetings? Paul Graham explains that there are Maker Schedules (coder) and Manager Schedules (PHB), and the two are very different. With each day neatly cut into one-hour intervals, the Manager Schedule is for bosses and is tailor-made for schmoozing. Unfortunately, it spells disaster for people who make things, like programmers and writers, who generally prefer to use time in units of half a day at least. You can't write or program well in units of an hour, says Graham, since that's barely enough time to get started. So if you fall into the Maker camp, adds Graham, you better hope your boss is smart enough to recognize that you need long chunks of time to work in. How's that working out in your world?" Ironically enough, I have a meeting to attend in three minutes.

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  1. Ironic? by Cap'nPedro · · Score: 5, Informative

    That's not ironic, that's just coincidental!

    And that was pedantic.

    1. Re:Ironic? by AP31R0N · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Pedantic is French for "stop making me aware of my ignorance!". Grammar snob/nazi and prescriptivist, likewise.

      Don't apologize for correcting someone's error. If they are offended, that's their insecurity.

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  2. It's called a fake 4-hour meeting by WmLGann · · Score: 5, Insightful

    ...and it's the coder's best friend.

  3. Re:What is it with meetings? by umghhh · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Well if you had thought otherwise you would be have been a manager not a maker.

  4. Single biggest frustration for many coders by judolphin · · Score: 5, Insightful

    As a computer programmer with an MBA (please don't burn me at the stake -- I'm a coder, not a manager, and have no desire to be a manager), I understand both sides of the story, and it isn't pretty. Meetings are crucial, but they need to follow these general rules:

    (a.) As much as possible, have a single "meeting day". This article explains why -- programming is not a "stop-and-pick-up-where-you-left-off" profession. So, in other words, as much as possible, ensure all "administrative overhead" tasks, such as meetings, are blocked together.

    (b.) Meetings must be limited to information that *everyone* *needs* to know.

    If you follow these rules, meetings are a Good Thing.

    Problem is, no one follows those rules, because following them is much more easily said than done.

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    1. Re:Single biggest frustration for many coders by eples · · Score: 5, Insightful

      I'm going to lose my mod points to reply, but I wanted to add a third item to the list:



      (c.) Meeting needs to have an agenda, preferably distributed in advance


      This cuts down on frivolous meetings as well because there is usually a stated goal or a defined list of topics and people can come prepared.

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    2. Re:Single biggest frustration for many coders by jellomizer · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Not as obvious as you may think. Managers sometimes keeps programmers in the meeting as a sanity check, What is worse wasting an hour and being board at a meeting. Or after an hour long meeting with management they come up with an idea that is impossible or difficult to program. And have to do it anyways as it has already been sold to the customer during that meeting.

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    3. Re:Single biggest frustration for many coders by John+Hasler · · Score: 5, Insightful

      d) Meetings need to have minutes summarizing what was discussed and what was decided. Managers tend to remember what they find it convenient to remember, not what actually happened. If necessary take notes yourself.

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    4. Re:Single biggest frustration for many coders by Rob+the+Bold · · Score: 5, Funny

      e) Meetings need to have rules forbidding the adding-on of endless afterthoughts and sidenotes.

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    5. Re:Single biggest frustration for many coders by lauterm · · Score: 5, Funny

      as do slashdot threads. :-P

  5. Re:What is it with meetings? by D+Ninja · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Two reasons: meetings make people feel important and they look like work (without having to do real work). I have found that most information gleaned in meetings can be e-mailed or distributed in some other manner.

    With that said, there is a lot that can be learned in the "important" meetings. People give away a lot of information (body language, facial expressions, etc) about certain situations that can be very valuable. That is where I find most of the value in meetings. Plus, it is a good way to build and keep team cohesiveness.

  6. Meeting? by Blakey+Rat · · Score: 4, Funny

    Ironically enough, I have a meeting to attend in 3 minutes.

    Please, oh please, tell me it's about firing your web developer!

    1. Re:Meeting? by Blakey+Rat · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Hah! You think that's bad? Try going to your user page on an iPhone wanting to find out which posts have been modded-- OH WAIT YOU CAN'T because the page flows ALL wrong and the moderation scores are obstructed by a pointless right-hand DIV you can't turn off.

      Oh and just as a tip: "hover" controls, like those used to add/remove tags to posts on the Slashdot homepage, DON'T WORK ON DEVICES WITH NO MOUSE. Like an iPhone, or Tablet PC. Please, everybody, stop using these.

  7. A 2-hour meeting can ruin a whole day by SuurMyy · · Score: 4, Insightful

    In my experience having to go through a meeting that requires a lot of explaining and problem-solving can render me more or less useless for the rest of the day, programming-wise. In some way that I don't know how to explain the meetings eat up the very concentration that I need for programming. Perhaps it takes so much out of a programmer when you try to understand someone instead of something you can logically deduce.

    I dunno. It's still a mystery to me what one meeting can do to you sometimes.

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  8. Micro-meetings over regular ones by RabidMonkey · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I find, as do others I work with, that the little one-off, "micro meetings" held around the office every day are very useful. Instead of getting the X people needed to make a decision into a scheduled room, grab them and stand in front of a white board (or whatever) in an ad-hoc fashion. Or, as we do, we all turn around in our chairs, discuss what needs doing, and get back to work in a matter of seconds/minutes, instead of scheduling a full meeting.

    I feel like when a meeting is scheduled, the time leading up to the meeting is seldom useful (oh, meeting in 15 minutes, better start slowing down/not start any more work), then the time after the meeting loses some function as there is the inevitable discussion of what we talked about, the creation of minutes, followup emails, etc. On a somewhat similar note, booking a meeting for a 1/2 hour instead of an hour forces people to work faster, and cuts down some of the wasted chit chat time.

    We just moved into a new office here, and it has a large number of meeting rooms, which is great. But, even better, there are quite a few "break out" areas, with chairs and a white board, but no door, and no reservations. So when you need to get a couple peoples ideas, you steal a breakout room, and whiteboard what you need. Use your mobile to take a picture of the whiteboard, erase, and move on to the next task. Plus, these meetings tend to be over quicker.

    Another trick I've learned .. if you get invited to a meeting, and you don't really feel like you need to be there, just decline it. If the meeting organizer really wants you there, they'll invite you agian, or call up/email and say "oh, we'd really like you there". but it saves you from sitting through a meeting where you just zone out and waste an hour.

    Overall, there is great value in meetings, but only if they are kept to the time required to resolve whatever you're there for, and only if they pertain to everyone there. It's pointless to invite 2 different groups to a meeting, so one has to listen to the other talk and be bored, then switch. Focus on goals, invite only the people who need to be there, and get back to work.

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  9. Documenting your time by Jason+Levine · · Score: 4, Funny

    Awhile back, we got a new head of our department. He decided that he needed to see how everyone used their day so he required everyone to fill out a form to track our time. I joked that my time tracker would look like this:

    8:00am - 8:15am - Checked/Answered E-mail
    8:15am - 8:30am - Entered time tracking for 8:00am - 8:15am
    8:30am - 8:45am - Entered time tracking for 8:15am - 8:30am
    8:45am - 9:00am - Entered time tracking for 8:30am - 8:45am
    9:00am - 9:15am - Entered time tracking for 8:45am - 9:00am
    etc.

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    1. Re:Documenting your time by VAXcat · · Score: 5, Funny

      When this happend at a place I worked at long ago, I wrote an application to generate plausible sounding time log entries - worked like a charm! Once a week I updated a list of phrases it needed to keep it sounding currnet, ran it, and was done. Bosses never figured it out.

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  10. Re:What is it with meetings? by PPH · · Score: 4, Insightful

    It justifies their existence. I've worked in matrix organizations where there are four or five 'dimensions', each represented by their own chain of management. Each employs a team of drones whose only is to chase around between meetings and keep up to date on what's going on.

    Start eliminating meetings and pretty soon the executives won't have any place to employ their idiot son-in-laws.

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  11. Re:What is it with meetings? by greatica · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I'm both a coder and a manager. When I first started, the meetings drove me bonkers. After wasting enough time, I decided to ditch them altogether with my boss's approval so I could finish a big project.

    I learned my lesson quickly. After each meeting that I skipped, my boss would show up in my office (effectively destroying the block of time I was saving), and then he'd tell me about 5 more projects brought up in the meeting that were automatically approved. More work was actually created because I wasn't there to shoot down off-track and silly ideas in these meetings.

    I started showing up at meetings pronto to "keep the company on track with IT and software projects". It was worth it to waste 8 hours a week in meetings to avoid months upon months on projects initiated by people who had no clue how technology works.

  12. Re:What is it with meetings? by Opportunist · · Score: 5, Funny

    You couldn't just put a dummy there with a voicebox repeating "No", "No way" and "We can't do that"?

    Or was the one in your company already employed as a SAP programmer?

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  13. Re:What is it with meetings? by Maxo-Texas · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Managers are usually not oriented towards your work.
    They are usually acting as a worker bee for someone way above them.

    Also, when I moved from programmer into management, I was amazed at the amount of sausage making that we protect the developers from.
    Projects that are high priority- yet canceled without ever wasting your time.

    Plus a lot of coordination and orchestration.

    A good manager frees their developers to get work done and shields them from a lot of inane executive requests.

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